Incoming Avalon News 8/9/2013

[tarmi]

Yes, lets admit it: our expectations were set too high. We paid for something 4 months ago, didnt recieve any support or update for months...still have not recieved our products...all this because we were naive an stupid, not because we are dealing with scammers.

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[Flying Hellfish]

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[Flashman]

Yup, I had some misc parts ship a couple of weeks back and it said right on the tracking info they got inspected before they left 

[pajak666]

I have a few questions for pajak666.
1.  How much do you have at risk?
2.  How much did you project that you would make in the next year from item #1?
3.  What action, that is possible today, will satisfy you?

Here you are
1. I have at risk many of my friends funds, I have my name and face at risk. I've done a mining farm project for people I know IRL.
I introduced Bitcoin to them(most of them don't have wallets yet), I spend a lot of time explaining everything and gaining their trust.
feel free to take a look, quickly jump through those pages

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aq4YXCoAvifBdGRRSk02NkZtM1FrbHN0elIwZ0t2SlE#gid=1

2. I don't make any projections, I am not a greedy person. But if someone is stealing from me, by not allowing me to even gain back what I initially invested then something is clearly wrong.

3. Easy game: noticing authorities, hiring lawyer, request refund in law manner, yifu with huge fine or behind bars with Pirateat40, new bitsyncom investor noticed about shady practices breaks the deal, Yifu stuck with outdated 40nm chips, no money and a trial.
That's what he should get for stealing from bitcoin community. For all those lies, shipping delays, alibaba chips, refund delays, calculating price based on ROI and not delivering in promised time. I still  can't understand how 1 person could scam so many people and get away with it.

He should be buried in every possible way,there is no place to show who is better person now.
For me if someone screws you and you do nothing you are either spineless or Jesus.

[Bitcoinorama]

Anyone seen this?

【Avalon Factory】made by ccbmc！50PCS 110G 4# avalon mining Has shipped！

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=271629.0

It seems someone has received a batch outside of Zefir.

Was the person who received in same country?  That would mean no customs troubles.

 
Sure. Other  orders got stuck on the way out of china.

Those photos are BS. The photos are from a month ago. That same ID card picture has been posted on this forum before.

EDIT: These ARE the old photos mixed with a mid July screen capture. Nothing new here.

[erk]

Here you are
1. I have at risk many of my friends funds, I have my name and face at risk. I've done a mining farm project for people I know IRL.
I introduced Bitcoin to them(most of them don't have wallets yet), I spend a lot of time explaining everything and gaining their trust.
feel free to take a look, quickly jump through those pages

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aq4YXCoAvifBdGRRSk02NkZtM1FrbHN0elIwZ0t2SlE#gid=1

2. I don't make any projections, I am not a greedy person. But if someone is stealing from me, by not allowing me to even gain back what I initially invested then something is clearly wrong.

3. Easy game: noticing authorities, hiring lawyer, request refund in law manner, yifu with huge fine or behind bars with Pirateat40, new bitsyncom investor noticed about shady practices breaks the deal, Yifu stuck with outdated 40nm chips, no money and a trial.
That's what he should get for stealing from bitcoin community. For all those lies, shipping delays, alibaba chips, refund delays, calculating price based on ROI and not delivering in promised time. I still  can't understand how 1 person could scam so many people and get away with it.

He should be buried in every possible way,there is no place to show who is better person now.
For me if someone screws you and you do nothing you are either spineless or Jesus.

What a load of BS, since when does a late shipment qualify as stealing?

[pajak666]

Here you are
1. I have at risk many of my friends funds, I have my name and face at risk. I've done a mining farm project for people I know IRL.
I introduced Bitcoin to them(most of them don't have wallets yet), I spend a lot of time explaining everything and gaining their trust.
feel free to take a look, quickly jump through those pages

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aq4YXCoAvifBdGRRSk02NkZtM1FrbHN0elIwZ0t2SlE#gid=1

2. I don't make any projections, I am not a greedy person. But if someone is stealing from me, by not allowing me to even gain back what I initially invested then something is clearly wrong.

3. Easy game: noticing authorities, hiring lawyer, request refund in law manner, yifu with huge fine or behind bars with Pirateat40, new bitsyncom investor noticed about shady practices breaks the deal, Yifu stuck with outdated 40nm chips, no money and a trial.
That's what he should get for stealing from bitcoin community. For all those lies, shipping delays, alibaba chips, refund delays, calculating price based on ROI and not delivering in promised time. I still  can't understand how 1 person could scam so many people and get away with it.

He should be buried in every possible way,there is no place to show who is better person now.
For me if someone screws you and you do nothing you are either spineless or Jesus.

What a load of BS, since when does a late shipment qualify as stealing?

late shipment isn't in fact stealing, but late shipment with using our funds for others purposes + delivering chips somewhere else + posting some BS only when it gets really hot + calculating price based on ROI and backstage releasing next gen chips qualify as stealing. Other words you paid for a car to participate in a race, car dealer delivers your car after the race has started (at the time working on next gen car to be delivered to competitors), therefore he has broke the contract and stole your money even that you got that car now.

here it is really well said:

Yes, lets admit it: our expectations were set too high. We paid for something 4 months ago, didnt recieve any support or update for months...still have not recieved our products...all this because we were naive an stupid, not because we are dealing with scammers.

[Vigil]

Here you are
1. I have at risk many of my friends funds, I have my name and face at risk. I've done a mining farm project for people I know IRL.
I introduced Bitcoin to them(most of them don't have wallets yet), I spend a lot of time explaining everything and gaining their trust.
feel free to take a look, quickly jump through those pages

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aq4YXCoAvifBdGRRSk02NkZtM1FrbHN0elIwZ0t2SlE#gid=1

2. I don't make any projections, I am not a greedy person. But if someone is stealing from me, by not allowing me to even gain back what I initially invested then something is clearly wrong.

3. Easy game: noticing authorities, hiring lawyer, request refund in law manner, yifu with huge fine or behind bars with Pirateat40, new bitsyncom investor noticed about shady practices breaks the deal, Yifu stuck with outdated 40nm chips, no money and a trial.
That's what he should get for stealing from bitcoin community. For all those lies, shipping delays, alibaba chips, refund delays, calculating price based on ROI and not delivering in promised time. I still  can't understand how 1 person could scam so many people and get away with it.

He should be buried in every possible way,there is no place to show who is better person now.
For me if someone screws you and you do nothing you are either spineless or Jesus.

What a load of BS, since when does a late shipment qualify as stealing?

Because of the inherent time-sensitive nature of what we are ordering. Getting your chips late is like not getting them at all since their entire practical use is time-dependent. Its like selling someone some eggs, having them pay for the upfront and delivering them when they are rotten. You just stole their money. People bought on the assumption they would have been delivered by now.

Where are all the wuss-bags who put in on these group orders? We have heard from like 20 people on this thread - there should be hundreds.

[fasmax]

Anybody know why Shenzhen Goldtech Electronics Co. can supply 100,000 Avalon chips per month?
http://http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/994289436/Avalon_chip_A3256_Q48_avalon_asic.html

[Vigil]

Anybody know why Shenzhen Goldtech Electronics Co. can supply 100,000 Avalon chips per month?
http://http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/994289436/Avalon_chip_A3256_Q48_avalon_asic.html

This may have more to do with the people who work at the chip company running extra batches for themselves, which is STOP in China.

[markm]

Anybody know why Shenzhen Goldtech Electronics Co. can supply 100,000 Avalon chips per month?
http://http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/994289436/Avalon_chip_A3256_Q48_avalon_asic.html

Do you know that they can?

-MarkM-

[Vigil]

What a load of BS, since when does a late shipment qualify as stealing?

Since when he is not allowed to engage in legal actions?

I starting to notice that you and others participants are trying to deter people to undertake legitimate ways to compensate their loss.

So, explain to us, why are you and others criticizing people which is trying to find a way to enforce their side of the agreement?

Because he and others are "in" on the "delay". Over in the TH thread, the only two guys who are trying to deter talk are the guys who visited TH to prove to us they were legit. This same thing was noticed in another operation - that those who visited the site were trying to defend the "business" who was not delivering on their promise.

You will get your miner, you will just get it so late that the other guys who planned this whole thing will benefit greatly from your delay and you will never see the returns you should have. they have already planned to obsolete you with the gen 2 offerings so that your hashing will be like a flea bite relative to their new miners they purchase with their "profits". They are too smart to totally directly f you over.

[tarmi]

Somebody should open a group buy for a good lawyer.

Maybe Yifu will deliever faster. If he doesnt, well, we can always sue his ass.

[joeventura]

Anybody know why Shenzhen Goldtech Electronics Co. can supply 100,000 Avalon chips per month?
http://http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/994289436/Avalon_chip_A3256_Q48_avalon_asic.html

Prove it, get them to send you a single sample chip.

I'll bet they can't deliver.

May also notice the thieves on Alibaba are also selling 60gh BFL singles and Block Erupters for $168

[pajak666]

Anybody know why Shenzhen Goldtech Electronics Co. can supply 100,000 Avalon chips per month?
http://http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/994289436/Avalon_chip_A3256_Q48_avalon_asic.html

Prove it, get them to send you a single sample chip.

I'll bet they can't deliver.

May also notice the thieves on Alibaba are also selling 60gh BFL singles and Block Erupters for $168

It has been discussed before
http://www.alibaba.com/help/safety_security/products/escrow.html

[MinermanNC]

Anybody know why Shenzhen Goldtech Electronics Co. can supply 100,000 Avalon chips per month?
http://http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/994289436/Avalon_chip_A3256_Q48_avalon_asic.html

Lets form a group buy and see if they deliver j/k -----of course they are in China

[Loredo]

Anybody know why Shenzhen Goldtech Electronics Co. can supply 100,000 Avalon chips per month?
http://http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/994289436/Avalon_chip_A3256_Q48_avalon_asic.html

I may have to do with over-run corruption, it could be part of a number of chips BitSynCom paid to organized crime, it could be part of a genuine early shipment bought and paid for.  

All that's clear is that Avalon chips are rapidly commoditizing.  The theft of your IP is one of the realities of doing business there if you can't secure protection at very important levels.

[Vigil]

Anybody know why Shenzhen Goldtech Electronics Co. can supply 100,000 Avalon chips per month?
http://http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/994289436/Avalon_chip_A3256_Q48_avalon_asic.html

I may have to do with over-run corruption, it could be part of a number of chips BitSynCom paid to organized crime, it could be part of a genuine early shipment bought and paid for.  

All that's clear is that Avalon chips are rapidly commoditizing.

IF Yifu is dealing with some organized crime to make deals to get these chips made, that may be why he doesn't want to say much because he would then possibly be investigated and arrested.

[augustocroppo]

Because he and others are "in" on the "delay". Over in the TH thread, the only two guys who are trying to deter talk are the guys who visited TH to prove to us they were legit. This same thing was noticed in another operation - that those who visited the site were trying to defend the "business" who was not delivering on their promise.

You will get your miner, you will just get it so late that the other guys who planned this whole thing will benefit greatly from your delay. they are too smart to totally f you over.

Still, I do not read a reasonable explanation of how legal actions could damage the situation for the buyers...

There are people which should be held liable for the buyer's losses. This is the consequence of trading with shady business. Why should the buyers be only the ones to have a loss when all variables to succeed were not exclusively under their control?

[driksson]

What a load of BS, since when does a late shipment qualify as stealing?

Since when he is not allowed to engage in legal actions?

I starting to notice that you and others participants are trying to deter people to undertake legitimate ways to compensate their loss.

So, explain to us, why are you and others criticizing people which is trying to find a way to enforce their side of the agreement?

Well said.
There is nothing ever justifying being 5-7 weeks late on a 9-10 week promise. This is also a very time critic product. This is proven by current late batches, no one is successfully filling group buys, as there will be no roi 9-10 weeks from now..

Let me give a few examples:
Avalon:Customs are holding our chips
Well, cry. It is your export facility that is failing. Contact customs and arrange the problem. While you are at it, tell your clients WHY it is held in customs. (with proof). And then, suggest proper compensation for your lack of management skills.

Avalon:Half of our staff ran away
Well, cry. Again, not our problem. You work with b2b clients giving strict delivery deadlines.
And then, suggest proper compensation for your lack of management skills.

Avalon: The orders became to big for us in a short period of time
Well, cry. Again, your inbound order size shall not in any way, ever punish your clients. And then, suggest proper compensation for your lack of management skills.