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May 06, 2018, 06:06:30 AM
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In addition to activity, everyone now has a merit score, and you need both a certain activity level and a certain merit score in order to reach higher member ranks. The required scores are:

RankRequired activityRequired merit
Brand new00
Newbie10
Jr Member300
Member6010
Full Member120100
Sr. Member240250
Hero Member480500
LegendaryRandom in the range 775-10301000

You get merit points when someone sends you some for one of your posts. Additionally, when someone sends you merit points, half of those points can be sent by you to other people.

Certain users are designated as "merit sources". They can create new merit out of nothing, up to a limited number per month (which differs per source). I will not be posting a definitive list of merit sources (so that people don't bug them too much), though you'll soon figure out who they are if you pay attention.

There is currently no such thing as a "demerit". I'm hoping that the positive merits alone will be fine. I could add demerits pretty easily later on if necessary, though.

I'm hoping that this system will increase post quality by:
 - Forcing people to post high-quality stuff in order to rank up. If you just post garbage, you will never get even 1 merit point, and you will therefore never be able to put links in your signature, etc.
 - Highlighting good posts with the "Merited by" line.

While we will not be directly moderating this, I encourage people to give merit to posts that are objectively high-quality, not just posts that you agree with.

Do not beg for merit excessively.

Useful infographics

Forum users have helpfully created some infographics to explain the merit system:
paxmao's infographic
ibminer's infographic
8Habits's infographic
JetSet11's infographic
zentdex's infographic
alia_armelle's infographic

If you want to be a merit source:

 1. Be a somewhat established member.
 2. Collect TEN posts written in the last couple of months by other people that have not received nearly enough merit for how good they are, and post quotes for them all in a new Meta thread. The point of this is to demonstrate your ability to give out merit usefully.
 3. We will take a look at your history and maybe make you a source.

I am especially eager to have merit sources in sub-communities such as the local sections.

Trivia:

For current members, your initial merit score is equal to the minimum required to your rank. Of that, a certain amount (less than the usual half) is spendable. The spendable amount was calculated based on your current rank and the number of activity points you earned in the last year. A Legendary member who hasn't posted in the last year would still be Legendary, but would not have any spendable merit.

If someone sends you 1 merit, the 0.5 sMerit is not wasted; it is just not shown until you get another merit point.

There are stats here, and you can find someone's merit summary by clicking the "merit" link on their profile.


You say that a person must earn merits to rank up . That's fine , but how do i get merits ?
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May 06, 2018, 06:42:30 AM
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You say that a person must earn merits to rank up . That's fine , but how do i get merits ?

Rule#1: Don't quote long (full) posts in your replies.

How to earn mertis? You can read and follow this little guide

- TMAN'S guide to getting merit.
- This infographics might help too 

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* Improve your English language, this isnt just spelling and grammar this includes using words like Sir & Mr when I see those I imediately asume the person is a 3rd world poster
* Spend the time that you currently use posting incoherent rubbish to learn proper Written English, start with youtube there has to be over 3002 different videos about writing the English Language
* Read a few English books, you can download free Ebooks as a starter, look how sentences are structured common words etc.
* Remember a quality post isnt necessarily a long winded post, using words that make you sound like you swallowed a thesauras doesnt help your cause
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May 06, 2018, 12:11:36 PM
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Infographics are for the kindergarten. If you can't read, and need pictures, then go to YouTube. They clog up the threads, and slow down reading. I put people who use them where they belong - on ignore. I really hope they don't attract new members to the forum, what benefit will the kids from junior school be for us?

Some people are visual learners and they are not necessarily kids Smiley. I agree that infographics could clog up the thread if there's a lot of them and if they are quoted again and again, one (or two) per page does not seem that harmful to me. If they can help some users process information quickly and easily, why discourage people from using them?
I absolutely agree, sometimes a good infographic gives you the ability to convey information without using thousands of words and multiple tables. poor infographics clog the flow.

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May 06, 2018, 03:39:46 PM
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Honestly, infographics hurt my fingers too much due to excessively scrolling my computer mouse.
Infographics are for the kindergarten. If you can't read, and need pictures, then go to YouTube. They clog up the threads, and slow down reading. I put people who use them where they belong - on ignore. I really hope they don't attract new members to the forum, what benefit will the kids from junior school be for us?

Yeah, as you said, the forum need something like a dedicated admin, mods who are readily to spend their precious time to make infogpraphics for lazy members, who can not read, can not understand meanings in topics/ threads created by admin and mods; or simply don't want to read too many words and wait for infographics.
It's not the way the forum works, at least in my opinion.
I absolutely agree, sometimes a good infographic gives you the ability to convey information without using thousands of words and multiple tables. poor infographics clog the flow.

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May 06, 2018, 05:43:59 PM
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Actually an airdrop would be really a good thing to do. Hope we will witness it someday or i'm too naive to hope on this
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May 06, 2018, 06:02:16 PM
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I think that the rank should be awarded as an army rank, if it deserved - an extraordinary. And with the current rules get the next almost how to accomplish the feat.
/cod mw2
http://www.callofduty-hq.net/img/Ranks/MwIIPrestigeranks.png
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Call of duty is a great game, it's easier to get a rank   Grin
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I think that the rank should be awarded as an army rank, if it deserved - an extraordinary. And with the current rules get the next almost how to accomplish the feat.
/cod mw2
http://www.callofduty-hq.net/img/Ranks/MwIIPrestigeranks.png
Guess who is the admiral general Tongue
Call of duty is a great game, it's easier to get a rank   Grin


Getting merit is not an impossible task and it is not that hard either, in my personal opinion. Although getting 500 merits will be chalenging for me, but it is manageable. By the way, how to get rank in cod? By playing by the rules of tha game right? Then you can get merit by playing the rules of this forum. Do contribution, make contributin, and wait for it to happen, if it is not enough, dont stop, just keep going.


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May 06, 2018, 08:57:59 PM
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Weekly recap!





Lieve increase on sMerit from last week +8.05% after the charge for Sources

01/04/2018   07/04/2018      7525
29/04/2018   05/05/2018      4910

-34%!!! from 1st week of April



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May 07, 2018, 07:22:19 AM
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Lieve increase on sMerit from last week +8.05% after the charge for Sources

So the last three weeks are 4761, 4544, 4910. I thought it would probably flatten out when most of the distributed sMerit was used up. It is a bit too early to say for sure but that looks like a sign we may be near that.

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Lieve increase on sMerit from last week +8.05% after the charge for Sources

So the last three weeks are 4761, 4544, 4910. I thought it would probably flatten out when most of the distributed sMerit was used up. It is a bit too early to say for sure but that looks like a sign we may be near that.


We are close, in my opinion the average value that we will have when the airdop ends, if the number of sources remains the current one, will be around 3.5k per week.
If you look here the weekly merit report, https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Ep5jtNBJU-jcMM_4o3T0ZnkYSRtwQGHSfWPiuV_GYKA/edit#gid=0 the most merit rewards for this week are from abusers or red trust member tagged for abusing, so 4900 is a pumped up number.


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May 08, 2018, 07:21:38 AM
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Lieve increase on sMerit from last week +8.05% after the charge for Sources

So the last three weeks are 4761, 4544, 4910. I thought it would probably flatten out when most of the distributed sMerit was used up. It is a bit too early to say for sure but that looks like a sign we may be near that.


From now a days merit calculate for the membership ranl
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From now a days merit calculate for the membership ranl
Please remember that the Meta board is not the place for spamming with such boring thread like your latest one.
Please read more, compose better English-written threads, posting them at the right places.

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May 08, 2018, 08:19:34 AM
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In addition to activity, everyone now has a merit score, and you need both a certain activity level and a certain merit score in order to reach higher member ranks. The required scores are:

RankRequired activityRequired merit
Brand new00
Newbie10
Jr Member300
Member6010
Full Member120100
Sr. Member240250
Hero Member480500
LegendaryRandom in the range 775-10301000

You get merit points when someone sends you some for one of your posts. Additionally, when someone sends you merit points, half of those points can be sent by you to other people.

Certain users are designated as "merit sources". They can create new merit out of nothing, up to a limited number per month (which differs per source). I will not be posting a definitive list of merit sources (so that people don't bug them too much), though you'll soon figure out who they are if you pay attention.

There is currently no such thing as a "demerit". I'm hoping that the positive merits alone will be fine. I could add demerits pretty easily later on if necessary, though.

I'm hoping that this system will increase post quality by:
 - Forcing people to post high-quality stuff in order to rank up. If you just post garbage, you will never get even 1 merit point, and you will therefore never be able to put links in your signature, etc.
 - Highlighting good posts with the "Merited by" line.

While we will not be directly moderating this, I encourage people to give merit to posts that are objectively high-quality, not just posts that you agree with.

Do not beg for merit excessively.

Useful infographics

Forum users have helpfully created some infographics to explain the merit system:
paxmao's infographic
ibminer's infographic
8Habits's infographic
JetSet11's infographic
zentdex's infographic
alia_armelle's infographic

If you want to be a merit source:

 1. Be a somewhat established member.
 2. Collect TEN posts written in the last couple of months by other people that have not received nearly enough merit for how good they are, and post quotes for them all in a new Meta thread. The point of this is to demonstrate your ability to give out merit usefully.
 3. We will take a look at your history and maybe make you a source.

I am especially eager to have merit sources in sub-communities such as the local sections.

Trivia:

For current members, your initial merit score is equal to the minimum required to your rank. Of that, a certain amount (less than the usual half) is spendable. The spendable amount was calculated based on your current rank and the number of activity points you earned in the last year. A Legendary member who hasn't posted in the last year would still be Legendary, but would not have any spendable merit.

If someone sends you 1 merit, the 0.5 sMerit is not wasted; it is just not shown until you get another merit point.

There are stats here, and you can find someone's merit summary by clicking the "merit" link on their profile.

Thank you for this helpful post.
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May 08, 2018, 08:31:20 AM
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You say that a person must earn merits to rank up . That's fine , but how do i get merits ?

Well you don't get them by posting great long quotes from the stickies, and include information that everybody has seen hundreds of times.
I've put you on ignore for doing it.


Thank you for this helpful post.

I put you on ignore for this useless post that just clogs up the thread, which is long enough anyway.

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While I support merit system I don't think it's fair that at the launch of the system old ranks remained unchanged. This is controversial, because you now see Members and above that make spam posts, yet they have access to all the benefits of current rank, while newbies have to work very hard to get to the same rank...

Another thing, if all of you, contributors to the forum dislike Bounties and alt section in general, why the forum supports it? Allow only ANN threads, let Bounties move somewhere else...
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While I support merit system I don't think it's fair that at the launch of the system old ranks remained unchanged. This is controversial, because you now see Members and above that make spam posts, yet they have access to all the benefits of current rank, while newbies have to work very hard to get to the same rank...
Don't you think those who joined bitcoin (bitcointalk) in 2010 or 2011 should be more respectable than new comers?
Well to me those are the real ones behind the success of bitcoin because the believed in bitcoin more than we do and they deserve the benefits if there are any.

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Another thing, if all of you, contributors to the forum dislike Bounties and alt section in general, why the forum supports it? Allow only ANN threads, let Bounties move somewhere else...
No, no one dislike bounties. Its only shitposters who are disliked. Because they just spam the forum to increase their ranks and since they have multiple accounts they were doing it again and again.
With merits now it's almost useless.. they will stay Jr. Member forever, eventually giving up on their alts and shitpost too.
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May 09, 2018, 07:35:26 AM
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While I support merit system I don't think it's fair that at the launch of the system old ranks remained unchanged. This is controversial, because you now see Members and above that make spam posts, yet they have access to all the benefits of current rank, while newbies have to work very hard to get to the same rank...
Don't you think those who joined bitcoin (bitcointalk) in 2010 or 2011 should be more respectable than new comers?
Well to me those are the real ones behind the success of bitcoin because the believed in bitcoin more than we do and they deserve the benefits if there are any.

I agree they should be respected, but not all of the old members are angelic creatures who never shitpost. As AlekSandRAx said, they all get an advantage and some of them just don't deserve it. A spammer who registerded one year ago is rewarded much more than a hard-working quality poster who registered one month ago.

What I see as a solution to this,
1) Separate the rank and merit points, let old members keep their rank and allow them to have the signature advantages but they should start with 0 merit.
2) Campaign organizers should use merit points for reward scaling.

With the above system, even if a lot more people will end up using big signatures, they won't be able to get rewarded if they're spammers with 0 merit.
What kind of campaign would reward a hero member with 0 merit points? Such an old member should be experienced enough to make quality posts, so if he/she has 0 merit it means he/she is a spammer and no one would reward them with my proposed change.

I'd love to hear what you think about it.

PS: I've read a lot of pages of this thread and I think no one has proposed the above, but if I've missed something I apologize.

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May 09, 2018, 07:39:27 AM
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What kind of campaign would reward a hero member with 0 merit points?

The same kind that rewards a Hero Member with 500 unearned Merit now. The problem is the campaigns paying in tokens they create out of thin air. It doesn't cost them anything to pay the participants so they don't care about quality, they just want quantity of page impressions.

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May 09, 2018, 09:56:43 AM
Merited by Brunus (1), Andrej Peiboski (1), DdmrDdmr (1)
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Where are the pretorians of the forum?

100+ merits for this post, no ban, no red trust.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3032134.msg32216177#msg32216177

(Just check with Google translator the content)

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May 09, 2018, 10:34:49 AM
Merited by RivAngE (1)
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I think it does deserve a comment.

The translation is "The project idea is good, but 1000 qualified participants are too difficult", showing a great effort that benefits all, and is certainly worthy of merit. Must have put some time into it too to cruch up the 1000 number (ffs!).

The receiver has gainned overtime 70 sMerits from one of the Senders -> frankkkkkkk: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=322576

The other two senders have only sent to this user in all their history and on the commented post:
xx63245613 -> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=331517 (21 sMerits)
zrunfeng -> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=290762 (39 sMerits)

This case is certainly looking like a small farm.
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