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May 01, 2018, 12:51:59 PM
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I appreciate your dicision. Merit system will help us to keep clean our forum and make high quality post. But one thing I feel that those already have smerit they will not not much interest to give other. Even some one make quality post. Because he already have merit even they no spend it they have no problem. Also he will not get any benefit if he spend. So my opinion that, for motivation people to spend merit they should have award for send merit. Example some one spend 5 merit in a week, if he get bonus 1 merit from forum automatically, then every one will motivate for give merit on quality post. Other wise it will very hard to upgrade rank for new member's. Sorry if I am wrong. I just share my opinion. Thanks.

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May 01, 2018, 08:18:26 PM
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I wish there would have been some sort of option of giving dislike (-ve merit) to the spam/LQ posts and if any post receives certain -ve merits/dislikes,it should be automatically deleted /hidden
I think this can be abused by some people who only wants to spread negativity in this forum. I've been inactive for the past months, and I was surpised that there is a 'merit' in my profile. I think it's a good idea though.

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May 01, 2018, 08:33:24 PM
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I appreciate your dicision. Merit system will help us to keep clean our forum and make high quality post. But one thing I feel that those already have smerit they will not not much interest to give other. Even some one make quality post. Because he already have merit even they no spend it they have no problem. Also he will not get any benefit if he spend. So my opinion that, for motivation people to spend merit they should have award for send merit. Example some one spend 5 merit in a week, if he get bonus 1 merit from forum automatically, then every one will motivate for give merit on quality post. Other wise it will very hard to upgrade rank for new member's. Sorry if I am wrong. I just share my opinion. Thanks.

I have seen this so many times and it is such bullshit.  You presume higher rank members "will not much interest" or will "not get any benefit if he spend merit" and I can tell you that A LOT of high rank members are interested and do get great benefit from awarding merits to new users.

Not everyone needs an immediate reward to do something.  Some users are actually here because they want the BTC community to grow and flourish.  With that goal in the back of their minds it is of tremendous value to the community to have GOOD new users on this site and as such they are very interested in awarding merit to GOOD posts and users.

I'm not a source, I have some merit left but I am constantly at a loss to find something that hasn't been re-hashed a million times or something that isn't spammy or post count padding...  You're not getting my merit unless I feel you want to be part of this community.

Lastly merit is awarded to users to use at their discretion. Something that seems new or helpful to you may have been discussed to death over the years.  I won't award it merit and it's not a stretch to think other higher level members feel similar.

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May 01, 2018, 08:45:34 PM
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Infographics are for the kindergarten. If you can't read, and need pictures, then go to YouTube. They clog up the threads, and slow down reading. I put people who use them where they belong - on ignore. I really hope they don't attract new members to the forum, what benefit will the kids from junior school be for us?

Some people are visual learners and they are not necessarily kids Smiley. I agree that infographics could clog up the thread if there's a lot of them and if they are quoted again and again, one (or two) per page does not seem that harmful to me. If they can help some users process information quickly and easily, why discourage people from using them?

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May 02, 2018, 01:28:46 AM
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Infographics are for the kindergarten. If you can't read, and need pictures, then go to YouTube. They clog up the threads, and slow down reading. I put people who use them where they belong - on ignore. I really hope they don't attract new members to the forum, what benefit will the kids from junior school be for us?

Some people are visual learners and they are not necessarily kids Smiley. I agree that infographics could clog up the thread if there's a lot of them and if they are quoted again and again, one (or two) per page does not seem that harmful to me. If they can help some users process information quickly and easily, why discourage people from using them?
I totally agree with Jet Cash at this point.
Why? Because all of necessary rules, mechanisms, etc. of merit system was described very detail by Theymos in the ANN topic on merit system and new rank requirements. If someone really interested in discovering what is merit system, how the system works, etc. All of those stuffs are available in the ANN. Additionally, if someone want to know more about tutorials / tips to earn merit 'legally', they can find them easily by using search function of both the forum and Google. There are dozens of available helpful topics on these questions.
Finally, if they are extremely lazy to do such steps for their own interest, I don't see any reason to create infographics for them.

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May 02, 2018, 04:46:35 AM
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I totally agree with Jet Cash at this point.
Why? Because all of necessary rules, mechanisms, etc. of merit system was described very detail by Theymos in the ANN topic on merit system and new rank requirements. If someone really interested in discovering what is merit system, how the system works, etc. All of those stuffs are available in the ANN. Additionally, if someone want to know more about tutorials / tips to earn merit 'legally', they can find them easily by using search function of both the forum and Google. There are dozens of available helpful topics on these questions.
Finally, if they are extremely lazy to do such steps for their own interest, I don't see any reason to create infographics for them.

That's an ideal case frankly speaking it's not happening and I guess won't be happening in the future.
Majority of the new members coming directly from some ICO reference. I would be surprised if someone new came here to have some serious discussion about bitcoin-core or any thing closely related to bitcoin.

So when your joining reason is and ICO bounty you won't go any where else but bounties. As soon as they realize that their Rank is not increasing (same thing happened to me, i discovered Merit System only when my activity reached 70 and my rank did not change to Member) only then they will search here or google and realize what is actually going on.

and yes that's why most of us are lazy.In age of internet infographics are more easy to follow and understand. That's why theymos quoted some of infographics in his post.

Useful infographics

Forum users have helpfully created some infographics to explain the merit system:
paxmao's infographic
ibminer's infographic
8Habits's infographic
JetSet11's infographic
zentdex's infographic
alia_armelle's infographic

I also created some like this one https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3182178.msg35822713#msg35822713
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May 02, 2018, 05:56:25 AM
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Hi shazadafral,
Welcome to the discussion. It seems that you are missing something or misunderstood what I tried expressing in my thread.
It doesn't matter how many members join the forum before the launch day of merit system, when they joined the forum. You maybe right that there are massive users joined the forum since the blossom of the crypto market, including ICO tsunami last year.  Most of them are main reasons why Theymos launched merit system. Consequently, most of those users will have to accept the fact, accept the merit system. They will have to stop complaining some day.
What I implied in my thread is, for those who joined the forum later than January this year, they will automatically accept the merit system and new rank requirements. They have no reasons to complain about those ones. Do you agree with me at this point?
Let's consider a specific case. Joining new forum, then complain continuously about its rules. Are they losing their minds by doing this?

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May 02, 2018, 07:29:04 AM
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What motienvolam said is true. If new member comr here after the merit system is here, they will not complaint because they dont know about the past system, but there are a lot of new member who complain about that, and comparing old system with merit system, you know what that means? They are all mostly the old player who make new account (alt account), in my opinion. Some might say that they are only lurking before to get knowledge of cryptoworld without making an account and now suddenly after merit they begin to register an account, i guesd you know why.


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May 02, 2018, 07:29:40 AM
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Let's consider a specific case. Joining new forum, then complain continuously about its rules. Are they losing their minds by doing this?

It happens all the time. They register an account > Apply for ICO social media campaign (their 1st post) > Asking people, "What the heck is the merit system?! My buddy told me that I can make a fortune if my rank is a least a SHEEENIORRRR." (their 2nd post). And no, their minds are good, it's just greed that consume 'em all.

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For me merit is still too "rare" to really work that way. I've made several "helpful" posts to people, but it needs to be really great in order to receive any merit.

Actually it's not that much about greatness, it's more about visibility an having sMerit to award. You might have written helpful posts, yet the users who find those posts helpful may not have sMerit to give or may not stumble upon your posts. The same goes the other way, meaning that users with sMerit to give may not find your posts helpful or may not stumble upon them. Moreover, our criteria to awarding sMerits are completely different, what may seem sMerit deserving to user a may not to user b.

In addition; the key benefit for me was to stop spammers/scammers. There are multiple threads being overrun with FUD and this system didn't stop anyone.

Having merit or not does not impact spammers, they can still post. The only way this will really help with scams is by allowing moderators to set minimum merit amounts that are required before users are allowed to post. At the moment, 10 merit is most likely sufficient to keep most scammers out.

It will be more difficult for spammers to get more money on their posts if they don't rank up (because they don't have enough Merit points). This may discourage them and either make them leave the forum or try to improve the quality of their posts or simply game the system by farming and buying sMerits. It'll take time for the system to take effect but it'll probably have a positive impact in the end.

How do you suggest to implement your idea of minimum Merit points to be able to post (in specific sections I guess)?

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It will be more difficult for spammers to get more money on their posts if they don't rank up (because they don't have enough Merit points). This may discourage them and either make them leave the forum or try to improve the quality of their posts or simply game the system by farming and buying sMerits. It'll take time for the system to take effect but it'll probably have a positive impact in the end.

How do you suggest to implement your idea of minimum Merit points to be able to post (in specific sections I guess)?

Partially agree; however I have seen accounts whose sole purpose is to FUD certain projects (looking at their post history; they only post negatively about a single coin). These are among the most frustrating type of accounts and are not expected to care about ranking up.

My proposal is to allow (for self-moderated threads) the creator to set either minimum rank or merit requirements. That provides more value for merit (rewarding "good" users), while also providing a mechanism to keep spammers out.

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May 02, 2018, 11:18:10 AM
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It happens all the time. They register an account > Apply for ICO social media campaign (their 1st post) > Asking people, "What the heck is the merit system?! My buddy told me that I can make a fortune if my rank is a least a SHEEENIORRRR." (their 2nd post). And no, their minds are good, it's just greed that consume 'em all.
Ok, they have rights to do this, but the basic pricinples are "When in Rome, do as the Romans do". Late comers, especially who joined after the merit system's launching day, should accept this fact, this system, and all related-new rank requirements.
Part of them will complain as you stated, but I think the rest (might be most) of them will naturally accept the system.
It is just my feelings, but I don't just reasons to complain about merit system from newcomers.

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May 02, 2018, 02:33:01 PM
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What do you think about the need to decrease the merit requirement now that the airdop is almost done? Do we need it?
How many users has ranked up this month?


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May 02, 2018, 02:36:47 PM
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What do you think about the need to decrease the merit requirement now that the airdop is almost done? Do we need it?
How many users has ranked up this month?

Increasing the number of merit sources makes more sense than decreasing any requirements. I haven't seen the actual stats on ranking up, but I know I and few others did it in much less time than it takes to get the activity.

As it is only the 2nd of May did you mean last month?

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May 02, 2018, 02:38:35 PM
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What do you think about the need to decrease the merit requirement now that the airdop is almost done? Do we need it?
How many users has ranked up this month?

I ranked up last month, at 25th april if i remember it correctly. I must say no for your suggestion, it would be better if we have more merit sources rather than lowering the requirement.


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May 02, 2018, 02:57:10 PM
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As it is only the 2nd of May did you mean last month?

Yes, obviously. Apart from people who abused the system, I think those who have increased their level in April can be counted in one hand, especially from the full member rank onwards.

I ranked up last month, at 25th april if i remember it correctly. I must say no for your suggestion, it would be better if we have more merit sources rather than lowering the requirement.

I've also ranked up on April. But yeah increasing the number of Sources Is a valid alternative. I Think we need more merit in the system, on last check of stats we got 21k sMerit on Aprli (missing last 3 days) with 18k generated from sources, something is not working at the best. (without counting the unknowed quantity of sMerit airdropped)



For exemple we both ranked up, but we got merit from "review 3Ds", without those services we probably haven't enough merit for rank up, and this is a contradiction with what wrote above here because if we add merit sources but we have to ask to evaluate our messages, the increased number of the sources doesn't solve anything, right?


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May 02, 2018, 03:15:01 PM
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Yes, obviously. Apart from people who abused the system, I think those who have increased their level in April can be counted in one hand, especially from the full member rank onwards.

It takes 4 months to for a Full Member to get the activity to get to Sr. and another 8.5 months to get to Hero so I don't find it surprising that only a few made it in the mere 3 months the system has been in place. The system was also designed to prevent the majority of spammers members ranking up. Give it a full year and see how many people that deserved to rank up haven't yet.

I do agree with your last post that if only 21k was spent then that does need to be addressed. I said a few pages back that I think there is too much work being done by too few sources.

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What do you think about the need to decrease the merit requirement now that the airdop is almost done? Do we need it?

If I grab your data for April 2018 (nearly a full month), then 22.608 sMerits were awarded. Merit sources roughly in that period have a potential maximum of 17.750 awardable sMerit according to official stats (per 30 days).
If the current 79 Merit Sources managed to award all their sMerits during April 2018, it would mean that they alone would be behind 78,5% of sMerit awarding, and that the conventional forum users would only be behind 21,5%.

That would itself seem a problem, since merit sources would be behind most of the work. This could mean either that member are running out of sMerit, or not awarding enough having Merit Sources make up heavily to try to counterbalance this.

The truth is, we do not know if Merit Sources do manage to award all their sMerit or what percentage they manage to award, so the above scenario is only an extreme scenario.
For example, if Merit Sources managed to award 63,69%, then Merit Sources and Forum Users would each be responsible for 50% sMerit awarding each during April 2018.

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How many users has ranked up this month?

In order to see who has ranked up since sMerit Kick-off, there are a couple of considerations to ponder:

-   New Ranking with no Airdrop can be measured for users created since the 24/01/2018. The Merit System has been going on for 14 weeks since then, but activity count would alone only allow new users to have reached the Member status, thus that is the maximum rank level achievable by new users.

I kind of did this exercise a couple of weeks ago, where I tracked the activity, Merit and Rank of users created during the first two weeks after sMerit Kickoff.
See  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3308505.msg34527667#msg34527667
If this data were to be update today using the same subset of user accounts, things I figure will have changed. We can do that at some point down the line if needed.

-   The rest of the users would be those that existed prior to sMerit kickoff. Unfortunately, we do not have a database snapshot of user ranks on that date to see the initial rank for all these users, so as to compare with current rank.
Trying to backtrack from current user Rank I believe is not feasible, especially due to the fact that many had a Merit Airdrop that was based both on rank and activity prior to the airdrop date (so it was variable per user and not a fixed value per rank). All in all, some users stared from scratch, whilst others has a Merit starting point. That too makes comparisons difficult.
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It's hard to get merits any tips??
Number one tip that I can give to you is don't be too lazy to use the search tab or look around for any tips on how to get merits. If you don't do that and don't even try then you don't deserve to get a single merit. Here in Meta section, just check the first 3 pages and you'll see threads that can help you.

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May 02, 2018, 04:20:10 PM
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It's hard to get merits any tips??

Yeah, don't post shit like this:

Haven't gotten anything all talks and no do

any news when will this be available on exchanges??

When will this be on exchanges?? haven't seen any announcement lately.
Left out?

Bounty is closed on april 20th haven't received my tokens

Got 25 hashgains is there value to it??

Etc. and so on...
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