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June 04, 2018, 07:43:12 AM
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There were a lot of merit abuses in the first two months, I guess people got scared to send merit. There were many innocent that got tagged, tho. Well, there was no official announcement of the change, besides this thread and people just begin to try it as " no one reads the user manuals".
We need more time for full overview I think.

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June 04, 2018, 08:02:29 AM
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Whew, didn't know graduating from Jr. to Member requires 10 merits.  Cry

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June 04, 2018, 08:06:49 AM
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From 48K to 19K this is a big fall, idk if this is only because the initial sMerit now is almost totally distributed or because there are less quality posts.
Lets see if in the next month the number will fall under the merit source limit.
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There are 80 merit sources with a total merit generation of up to 18500 sMerit per 30 days

I'm pretty sure it is the initial sMerit running out as my personal experience is that there has been an increase in quality posts. I'd like to know how many of those 18,500 sMerit are actually generated every 30 days. If a source doesn't spend them then they don't get replaced 30 days later. I think only theymos could access that data unless anybody can confidently identify all 80 sources.

Well, quite agree with TheQuin. But if it is the initial merit, it should have been half from the 48k. If i made the calculation. Since the time of 48k, then 48k-18k(merits from sources) then we got 30k initial merit for that time right right? Then if we divide it by half, then it should be 15k initial merit circulated for the last calculation, and if we add it with merits from sources it should be 33K maximum for the last part, but it only 19k. There must be something wrong, and i bet it is the quality is not increasing that much. Well, it could be other problem tho.
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June 04, 2018, 08:17:00 AM
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There must be something wrong, and i bet it is the quality is not increasing that much. Well, it could be other problem tho.

I know I see many posts that I would consider giving merit to if I had it. I really think that 80 merit sources aren't enough. Some them have been vocal in saying they can't find enough posts to use up their allocation so it isn't getting regenerated. Each of us has different interests and get involved in different threads. If the merit sources were more in number but each with less sMerit to use I think it would work better.

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June 04, 2018, 09:59:59 AM
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There must be something wrong, and i bet it is the quality is not increasing that much. Well, it could be other problem tho.

I know I see many posts that I would consider giving merit to if I had it. I really think that 80 merit sources aren't enough. Some them have been vocal in saying they can't find enough posts to use up their allocation so it isn't getting regenerated. Each of us has different interests and get involved in different threads. If the merit sources were more in number but each with less sMerit to use I think it would work better.

Same, there are posts or threads that i would consider giveng merits too, but if i had more merit. Yeah, we need more merit sources, and i think sources diversity, like adding merit sources from specific rank, would add more movement in the merits circulation, because you know, sometimes higher rank member have high expectation and standard for a post that they end up didnt give the merit for the poster. I would say adding merit sources for specific rank will help this problem, but of course that sources candidate still should have the ability to distinguish between great posts and not.

But it is only my idea, and it has flaws too.
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June 04, 2018, 01:01:25 PM
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Getting merit is really hard... Hello! Smiley
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June 04, 2018, 01:41:16 PM
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Getting merit is really hard... Hello! Smiley

Well, that's the whole idea of the merit. If it's too easy then everyone will have it.

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June 04, 2018, 02:11:42 PM
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I know I see many posts that I would consider giving merit to if I had it. I really think that 80 merit sources aren't enough. Some them have been vocal in saying they can't find enough posts to use up their allocation so it isn't getting regenerated. Each of us has different interests and get involved in different threads. If the merit sources were more in number but each with less sMerit to use I think it would work better.

My guess.
Some sources are busy in real life and can't read for hours the forum and some others don't care about be a sources.

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June 04, 2018, 02:14:40 PM
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My guess.
Some sources are busy in real life and can't read for hours the forum and some others don't care about be a sources.

The first half is definitely the case, I don't have knowledge of the second part. But I think there are plenty of suitable people who would be happy to do it.

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June 04, 2018, 02:20:35 PM
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The first half is definitely the case, I don't have knowledge of the second part. But I think there are plenty of suitable people who would be happy to do it.

If I'm not wrong the first draft of sources was done without the "ask from user to be a source" if this is true, some of those users maybe are not interest to spend Merit.
This is my guess and probabily can be wrong.

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June 04, 2018, 02:26:34 PM
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If I'm not wrong the first draft os sources was done without the "ask from user to be a source" if this is true, some of those users maybe are not interest to spend Merit.
This is my guess and probabily can be wrong.

That's true and a fair conclusion to come to. I've seen a few sources complaining that it's too much work for them to find enough good posts but none saying they didn't want to be a source. I guess if any aren't interested they wouldn't spend their time posting about not being interested either.

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June 05, 2018, 02:28:42 AM
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There must be something wrong, and i bet it is the quality is not increasing that much. Well, it could be other problem tho.

I know I see many posts that I would consider giving merit to if I had it. I really think that 80 merit sources aren't enough. Some them have been vocal in saying they can't find enough posts to use up their allocation so it isn't getting regenerated. Each of us has different interests and get involved in different threads. If the merit sources were more in number but each with less sMerit to use I think it would work better.

Same, there are posts or threads that i would consider giveng merits too, but if i had more merit. Yeah, we need more merit sources, and i think sources diversity, like adding merit sources from specific rank, would add more movement in the merits circulation, because you know, sometimes higher rank member have high expectation and standard for a post that they end up didnt give the merit for the poster. I would say adding merit sources for specific rank will help this problem, but of course that sources candidate still should have the ability to distinguish between great posts and not.

But it is only my idea, and it has flaws too.
I agree with you. There should be a season of replenishment of merits. If you have exhausted your merit, it ought to be replenished. And that too could be used to audit how you have used up the other merits giving to you.

Sadly too, while some are looking for merits to give out, some merits are decaying in some hands not issuing out. Can't such merits be reallocated to others who will use them?

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June 05, 2018, 08:41:53 AM
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With anxiety one of the most important steps to recovery is accepting it and not working against it.
With merit it quite the same for me. Accept that threads im interested in (altcoins) are not a place to gain merit.

If your here for money and commenting to get merit, you probably will not receive much. If your interested in topics where merit is not given out, you wont get merit.
All im "loosing" is a rank up and double reward from bounty. What i am gaining by not chasing merit is having a good time in the forum.

Maybe the sources should be higher than 80 with lower reward, not because some people feel they deserve merit but because the forum have gotten massive and 80 sources will not cover a fraction of the threads.
People interested in altcoins should just give up merit even with more sources though Tongue And that is ok Smiley

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June 05, 2018, 10:01:55 AM
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With anxiety one of the most important steps to recovery is accepting it and not working against it.
With merit it quite the same for me. Accept that threads im interested in (altcoins) are not a place to gain merit.

If your here for money and commenting to get merit, you probably will not receive much. If your interested in topics where merit is not given out, you wont get merit.
All im "loosing" is a rank up and double reward from bounty. What i am gaining by not chasing merit is having a good time in the forum.

Maybe the sources should be higher than 80 with lower reward, not because some people feel they deserve merit but because the forum have gotten massive and 80 sources will not cover a fraction of the threads.
People interested in altcoins should just give up merit even with more sources though Tongue And that is ok Smiley

But the whole merit system is designed to work with just a few sources.
When someone gets merit from a source he gets half the amount of smerit which he can spend whereever he wants to.

There should be enough users which are visiting different topics and therefore the merit spreads most likely into every single of those as long as users use their merit.
And I think thats the only problem. Some users simply dont care about merit and therefore dont award any others with their smerit.


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June 05, 2018, 03:17:52 PM
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I think this post should be sticky.
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on another occasion, I once commented that it is not feasible for someone to judge a merit system, without providing a better solution. But on this occasion, I do not want to judge about merit system, because I already feel it is quite successful only in the implementation need to add some additional system. In addition, I also feel the existence of injustice here. I was a new member, have to fight hard to go up the rankings and I'm sure often overlooked by other members. Not so a real problem, but still there is an injustice here. Because I see a lot of who have automatically up high rank just because it has long joined and has a lot of activity, whether it's spam post or what I do not know. I think it should take additional tests to raise the rank.  Grin
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June 05, 2018, 04:56:18 PM
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I think this post should be sticky.

I thought about that at the beginning but with the way this topic is spammed, I prefer to not seeing it sticky.
H&co sticky topic is more than enough https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2766177.0

 
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June 05, 2018, 04:58:54 PM
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the problem of the system is that a huge number of really high-quality posts are not evaluated, because people do not have merits. This is a huge drawback of the system and it needs to be fixed.
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June 05, 2018, 05:22:38 PM
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the problem of the system is that a huge number of really high-quality posts are not evaluated, because people do not have merits. This is a huge drawback of the system and it needs to be fixed.
If you believe that is the case, you could always create a list of those posts and indicate why you consider they should be merited. There are quite a few members here who spend part of their day looking for meritable posts, so I would not oppose posts that point to these unmerited posts, in much the way that Merit Source applications need to provide 10 recent under-merited posts they would merit.

What you say does happen, but without bringing them alight, we may never neither know of their existence, nor if there are indeed a huge number that go unmerited as you indicate... I'm not that sure there are too many.

I don't know where this list would fit in better, if created. Meta I believe is not the real optimal place, but if the posts are cross-board, I’m not really sure which would be the better place for it.

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In addition to activity, everyone now has a merit score, and you need both a certain activity level and a certain merit score in order to reach higher member ranks. The required scores are:

You get merit points when someone sends you some for one of your posts. Additionally, when someone sends you merit points, half of those points can be sent by you to other people.

Certain users are designated as "merit sources". They can create new merit out of nothing, up to a limited number per month (which differs per source). I will not be posting a definitive list of merit sources (so that people don't bug them too much), though you'll soon figure out who they are if you pay attention.

There is currently no such thing as a "demerit". I'm hoping that the positive merits alone will be fine. I could add demerits pretty easily later on if necessary, though.

I'm hoping that this system will increase post quality by:
 - Forcing people to post high-quality stuff in order to rank up. If you just post garbage, you will never get even 1 merit point, and you will therefore never be able to put links in your signature, etc.
 - Highlighting good posts with the "Merited by" line.

While we will not be directly moderating this, I encourage people to give merit to posts that are objectively high-quality, not just posts that you agree with.

Do not beg for merit excessively.

On the my language local forum and sometimes another forums , I have written many post to any topic ; but I don't take it any merit point... Is this normal ?

My friend in real life say to me always ;
- You are wasting your time. Merit are sold with money.
Is it real ? If it is not real, why did not I get any Merit for 100+ different posts ?
I do not write ridiculous short articles,
I share my information and my estimates with people,
I give you reason to make people do not make mistakes and not be deceived,
I can not open a new topic because this site is already very old and everything is there.
Who can tell me ? How can I earn Merit ? Is it at the initiative of Merit's producers ?
If so, how long do I have to wait until they like what I write ?

Edit : By the way ; Thank you very much, my local moderator ; He sent a merits to my post ... It's nice that some of them have awareness.

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