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January 26, 2018, 03:31:17 PM
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are you serious? they earn enough by posting? mhhh, then they really need not much money. and i can understand why they don't like the new merit-system.
but they have to be really desperate. if they have to earn money by posting and have no other options.

You got it wrong. It are the Legendaries and Heroes who are making livings out of posting. And the less competition they have the more living they make. Besides that it's an open secret that the long standing members have already gathered dozens of alt accounts on this forum. That's how they make their living. Merit system is status quo and that means nothing will change. Which is they way they want it, in their privilaged position.

Makes a lot of sense deena, i think you nailed it. And this post of yours might lead to another new rule, demerits😛
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January 26, 2018, 03:33:45 PM
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What if  a group of bounty hunters create a group somewhere else e.a. on facebook and they will use/exchange  their extra merit with each other? would that be possible also? if yes then their existing merit could have easily doubled? am i right?  Smiley

No way. Absolutely impossible. They will be found and banned
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January 26, 2018, 03:34:43 PM
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are you serious? they earn enough by posting? mhhh, then they really need not much money. and i can understand why they don't like the new merit-system.
but they have to be really desperate. if they have to earn money by posting and have no other options.

You got it wrong. It are the Legendaries and Heroes who are making livings out of posting. And the less competition they have the more living they make. Besides that it's an open secret that the long standing members have already gathered dozens of alt accounts on this forum. That's how they make their living. Merit system is status quo and that means nothing will change. Which is they way they want it, in their privilaged position.

Makes a lot of sense deena, i think you nailed it. And this post of yours might lead to another new rule, demerits😛

Demerits can be abused a lot and will lead to more complications.
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January 26, 2018, 03:36:56 PM
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You can push +Merit in the right top of my massage to try how it works

becouse i hardly need 4 of them till 30 update rank

I tried doing that it did not work. Can you check if it is working for you on this post of mine ?

We are not kids here. Smiley

Then where is your sense of humor?Smiley

I also tried on your post, but i have only 1 sMerit available. It is very pricey for me. Sorry
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January 26, 2018, 03:37:35 PM
 #1285

Really good innovation.
Just sent my 6 merit which I had to the helpful person.
I think Merit rank will help to make forum better.
And yes, I'm for Demerit, may be it will help to make forum better as well.

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January 26, 2018, 03:38:21 PM
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There are many things going on with this new system. as you can see. The constructive replies are hard to get people to pay attention and merit points, when you set up the topic to bring good service and prestige, it has a trust system.
And I think people are buying / selling this merit a lot. It will be difficult to justify what we are aiming at. Finally, with a large forum system. Every second there is a lot of activity going on in the boxes. So I think you can start requesting merit points in some important rank: like from sr.member -> legendary members. That would be better for newcomers. It is also required for longtime participants of the forum.

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January 26, 2018, 03:40:45 PM
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I have a question to all, how about us who get red trust could it be deleted after they get merit or not?
Because most of the users in crypto currency are getting negative trust without knowing so, what could merit effects to eliminate red trust??
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January 26, 2018, 03:42:58 PM
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You want to multiply your Merit and you don't care how much sMerit you have? Easily done, if you have been able to spam a lot in the last years:

Account A: 1000 Merit / 500 sMerit
Account B: 0 Merit / 0 sMerit
-->
A sends B 500 sMerit
-->
Account A: 1000 Merit / 0 sMerit
Account B: 500 Merit / 250 sMerit
-->
B sends A 250 sMerit
-->
Account A: 1250 Merit / 125 sMerit
Account B: 500 Merit / 0 sMerit
-->
A sends B 125 sMerit
-->
Account A: 1250 Merit / 0 sMerit
Account B: 625 Merit / 62 sMerit
-->
B sends A 62 sMerit
-->
Account A: 1312 Merit / 31 sMerit
Account B: 625 Merit / 0 sMerit

From 500 sMerit I would be able to generate 312 Merit on my main account and 625 on my spam account (even a bit more would be possible if we continue sending the sMerit further around). Not sure if such a system really makes sense...

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January 26, 2018, 03:44:59 PM
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are you serious? they earn enough by posting? mhhh, then they really need not much money. and i can understand why they don't like the new merit-system.
but they have to be really desperate. if they have to earn money by posting and have no other options.

You got it wrong. It are the Legendaries and Heroes who are making livings out of posting. And the less competition they have the more living they make. Besides that it's an open secret that the long standing members have already gathered dozens of alt accounts on this forum. That's how they make their living. Merit system is status quo and that means nothing will change. Which is they way they want it, in their privilaged position.

Makes a lot of sense deena, i think you nailed it. And this post of yours might lead to another new rule, demerits😛

Demerits can be abused a lot and will lead to more complications.
I agree demerits can easily be abused but I think It is needed for the better sake of this forum , Most of us here just want more better quality post and to remove the account farmers. But let just wait for theymos decision. He'll just make his thing to improve this forum.
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January 26, 2018, 03:46:47 PM
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From 500 sMerit I would be able to generate 312 Merit on my main account and 625 on my spam account (even a bit more would be possible if we continue sending the sMerit further around). Not sure if such a system really makes sense...

It is visible to see who is sending sMerit to whom, if somebody will overuse this extensively I think moderators will intervene
Also if "spam account" with lots of Merit will spam something irrelevant - this will also be suspicious, others will report this account.

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January 26, 2018, 03:49:02 PM
Last edit: January 26, 2018, 04:01:53 PM by stompix
 #1291

You want to multiply your Merit and you don't care how much sMerit you have? Easily done, if you have been able to spam a lot in the last years:

Account A: 1000 Merit / 500 sMerit
Account B: 0 Merit / 0 sMerit
-->
A sends B 500 sMerit

~snip

You can only send 50 sMerit to a user in a 30 days period.
It's going to take 10 months for that (or multiple accounts).

But since Merit is public it s also easy to trace.

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January 26, 2018, 03:49:55 PM
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There are a lot of people that are abusing the Merit system. They are using their alternate account just to send merits to his/her main account. Also known as Merit famers.

Many are abusing the new system.

That wouldn't work, or they have to make quality posts. You can't generate merit without a source account?
They would just make some sense less topics that is literaly pointing out of nothing and just put the sMerits that the alt accounts can give to their main accounts. Wishing that Theymos could do something to prevent this.

Wouldn't that be a great way to fight altaccounts? If a shitposter transfers all his sMerits from all his altaccounts to his mainaccount, those altaccounts won't be abled to rank up anymore. Only his main will be eligible to get a higher rank, unless he actually posts quality posts with the altaccounts. The only way he could get Merit on his altaccounts without making quality posts would be using the exploit in the quote below.

You want to multiply your Merit and you don't care how much sMerit you have? Easily done, if you have been able to spam a lot in the last years:

Account A: 1000 Merit / 500 sMerit
Account B: 0 Merit / 0 sMerit
-->
A sends B 500 sMerit
-->
Account A: 1000 Merit / 0 sMerit
Account B: 500 Merit / 250 sMerit
-->
B sends A 250 sMerit
-->
Account A: 1250 Merit / 125 sMerit
Account B: 500 Merit / 0 sMerit
-->
A sends B 125 sMerit
-->
Account A: 1250 Merit / 0 sMerit
Account B: 625 Merit / 62 sMerit
-->
B sends A 62 sMerit
-->
Account A: 1312 Merit / 31 sMerit
Account B: 625 Merit / 0 sMerit

From 500 sMerit I would be able to generate 312 Merit on my main account and 625 on my spam account (even a bit more would be possible if we continue sending the sMerit further around). Not sure if such a system really makes sense...
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January 26, 2018, 03:53:14 PM
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You want to multiply your Merit and you don't care how much sMerit you have? Easily done, if you have been able to spam a lot in the last years:

Account A: 1000 Merit / 500 sMerit
Account B: 0 Merit / 0 sMerit
-->
A sends B 500 sMerit

~snip

You can only send 50 sMerit to a user in a 30 days period.
It's going to take 10 months for that (or multiple accounts).

But since Merit is public is also easy to trace.

Ok, didn't know that. I just read that you can't give one post more than 50 Merit a time. So you would need 10 Alt-Accounts to do it ;-)

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January 26, 2018, 03:58:22 PM
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Dont seems to understand this merit stuff...

Is it going to replace activity in terms of criteria for ranking?
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January 26, 2018, 04:00:09 PM
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Dont seems to understand this merit stuff...

Is it going to replace activity in terms of criteria for ranking?
Activity is still factored in and needed for rankups but Merit has also become one of the criteria for rankups on the forum. I don’t see any indications merit will completely replace activity or something of the sort anytime soon.
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January 26, 2018, 04:05:07 PM
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What if  a group of bounty hunters create a group somewhere else e.a. on facebook and they will use/exchange  their extra merit with each other? would that be possible also? if yes then their existing merit could have easily doubled? am i right?  Smiley
You don't need to search a separate group on facebook, there's a lot merits sellers in local section now, go check your local section and you bound to found at least one seller that sells his merits.
Either way, it depends on how stupid the sellers are, if they send the merits in bulk to a single post let's say 20 merits, people would get suspicious and DT will swoop that post with red tags, Both the poster and the one who sends the merits Tongue
Also it won't work as their Smerit will get depleted in a few exchanges


Dont seems to understand this merit stuff...

Is it going to replace activity in terms of criteria for ranking?
It will be added as a new criteria to rank-up
Before the update, we just need activity point to rank up, but now we need both activity and merits in order to rank up to the next rank
Hopefully, with this new system it will encourage users to post high quality instead of spamming with 2 liners posts.


TFW when you're about to be Legendary and now you need to collect 500 pokemons merits
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January 26, 2018, 04:08:36 PM
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are you serious? they earn enough by posting? mhhh, then they really need not much money. and i can understand why they don't like the new merit-system.
but they have to be really desperate. if they have to earn money by posting and have no other options.

You got it wrong. It are the Legendaries and Heroes who are making livings out of posting. And the less competition they have the more living they make. Besides that it's an open secret that the long standing members have already gathered dozens of alt accounts on this forum. That's how they make their living. Merit system is status quo and that means nothing will change. Which is they way they want it, in their privilaged position.

Makes a lot of sense deena, i think you nailed it. And this post of yours might lead to another new rule, demerits😛

Demerits can be abused a lot and will lead to more complications.
I agree demerits can easily be abused but I think It is needed for the better sake of this forum , Most of us here just want more better quality post and to remove the account farmers. But let just wait for theymos decision. He'll just make his thing to improve this forum.

Demerit possilbilities will of course be again installed with the arrived happy few. And of course the possibility will then be abused again, as is the case with the trust system. The problem of this forum is, I keep repeating it, that there are hardly any objective rules and that punishment and reward are mainly located at the subjective whims of a couple of devious individuals.
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January 26, 2018, 04:10:55 PM
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I must say I'm a bit divided here. The idea looks great, but by having just a few merit sources doesn't it make the system a little centralized?

The "campaign spamming", and bad post quality is a problem, and this system should give everyone a chance to objectively quantify their opinion, in order to express if what they read in this forum is good or bad. The problem here, from my point of view, is that an opinion is of course always subjective, and if we restrict the merit sources to much, then we will have a system that may, or may not be, aligned with what the majority of users think or like.

Right now, I think that the ability to give Merit will somehow act as our voice in this forum, that should be used to judge content, and this is a good thing, but the problem is that we might "run out of voice" as we use it, unless we are a merit source.

I know there are two key factors to minimize this "centralization" problem.
-  We all start with sMerit that we can spend, and half of those sMerit points can be used by someone else.
-  We can apply for a "position" as a Merit Source, by gathering 10 posts for evaluation.

The problems here in my opinion are:
- The initial sMeirt should end soon enough if we don't manage to become a merit source (and we can no longer judge content).
- If we apply for a "position" as a merit source and we don't get one, our problem of eventually not being able to judge content in the forum will persist.

Right now I see three possible "solutions" for these problems.
- Everyone could decide who gets to be a merit source. "Applicants" would still gather at least 10 posts for evaluation, and the users could vote for them. Those with more votes would become a merit source. This is far from being ideal, but it is still less "centralized".
- Users would be given a small amount of sMerit, based on their activity (still not ideal, because Merit would be less valuable this way)
- There could be a new type of sMerit that users could purchase, and then use to evaluate content.

I think the third option is better and I will explain why. We all buy books, newspapers, movies, music, etc.
We buy these things because we like it's content, and by buying them, we are expressing just that. So I see no problem in buying sMerit, and then using it to express my support for some of the posts I read, because I liked them. Money is used to express value, so this is exactly what would be happening with this option.


To end this post, I will repeat that I like what this system provides (the ability to judge content), but I think the ability to give Merit should be as open as possible (without trivialization of course). Maybe I will never run out of sMerit, and what I think it could be a problem will never become one, but right now these are the concerns I have about this system.

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January 26, 2018, 04:17:41 PM
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You want to multiply your Merit and you don't care how much sMerit you have? Easily done, if you have been able to spam a lot in the last years:

Account A: 1000 Merit / 500 sMerit
Account B: 0 Merit / 0 sMerit
-->
A sends B 500 sMerit

~snip

You can only send 50 sMerit to a user in a 30 days period.
It's going to take 10 months for that (or multiple accounts).

But since Merit is public it s also easy to trace.

This merit system could also be used to track and hunt down alts.   Roll Eyes
Obviously these farmers will abuse the merit system in order for their alts to rank up. Making it easier to track alts and could provide solid proofs.
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January 26, 2018, 04:21:31 PM
Last edit: January 26, 2018, 04:34:42 PM by Darthswan
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To be honest, I would of course have slightly changed the conditions for awarding merit.

Legendary            3-10 sMerit max for post / and max 30 sMerit for person per month (min at least 3 posts will be marked,at a time not 1 as now)
Hero Memeber    2-5 sMerit max for post   / and max 20 sMerit for person per month (min at least 4 posts will be marked,at a time not 1 as now)
Sr.Member         1-3 sMerit max for post   / and max 9 sMerit for person per month (min at least 3 posts will be marked,at a time not 1 as now)  
Full.Member       1-2 sMerit max for post  / and max 4 sMerit for person per month (min at least 2 posts will be marked,at a time not 1 as now)
Member           only 1 sMerit max for post / and max 3 sMerit for person per month (min at least 1 posts will be marked,at a time not 1 as now)

So we solve many problems.
1) Worthy people with good posts will be awarded titles faster.
2) The older the title of a person, the more sMerit he can reward.
3) So we solve the problem of abuse with sMerit
4) So people will spend their sMerit wisely

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