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February 15, 2018, 03:46:51 PM
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lol Thanks ! <3
What is an sM though? sub-Merit? small-Merit? semi-Merit?

that question is why you shouldn't be given any merit.. It shows that you haven't even read the 1st post in this thread.

What he said.
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February 15, 2018, 03:48:52 PM
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lol Thanks ! <3
What is an sM though? sub-Merit? small-Merit? semi-Merit?

that question is why you shouldn't be given any merit.. It shows that you haven't even read the 1st post in this thread.

It was under a subtitle named "Trivia" Cheesy
And excuse me but I've read the 1st post and I knew about "half merit of what you get, you can send it", what I didn't notice was the naming.

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February 15, 2018, 04:35:59 PM
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lol Thanks ! <3
What is an sM though? sub-Merit? small-Merit? semi-Merit?

that question is why you shouldn't be given any merit.. It shows that you haven't even read the 1st post in this thread.

It was under a subtitle named "Trivia" Cheesy
And excuse me but I've read the 1st post and I knew about "half merit of what you get, you can send it", what I didn't notice was the naming.

I can see how somebody could be confused by the logical abbreviation sM for sMerit. Ergo, +1 sM = one sMerit sent.

Don't spend the +1 sM that my alter ego sent you all in one place, bud.
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February 15, 2018, 06:17:24 PM
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who will merit a post that is just two lines of words but actually meaningful and solve a problem? what happens to such post that is short and precise and was helpful?  Huh

Actually, concise but helpful posts are even more likely to get merited because of the "tl;dr" types!  Grin
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February 15, 2018, 06:20:07 PM
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What are your though about few weeks now ? Can't earn merit, very restrictive system Sad
Think of the reasons why you are not getting one while others got some. You have to be smart and active now to increase the probability.
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February 15, 2018, 06:30:16 PM
Merited by PoolMinor (1)
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When everybody was bearish, I made this call.
https://www.tradingview.com/chart/BTCUSD/vL6glC1s-BTC-bullish-flag/

Can I get merit for it?  Grin

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February 15, 2018, 07:19:55 PM
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When everybody was bearish, I made this call.
https://www.tradingview.com/chart/BTCUSD/vL6glC1s-BTC-bullish-flag/

Can I get merit for it?  Grin

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Nope... for 2 good reasons,

1st reason: Your TL* ignores 3 daily closes. The general idea is correct but you drew it half-right! Try draw it on the Bitfinex's chart though, the trend seems to follow the TLs more accurately with their price chart. Check this one for example; I made it for fun though so don't give it much though! LINK
2nd reason: I can't merit you even if I wanted too! Roll Eyes

*TL = Trend Line

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February 15, 2018, 07:20:22 PM
Last edit: February 15, 2018, 07:30:45 PM by feya
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I can share my experience. I exactly know what not to do if you want to earn a Merit now.
Do not write an article for beginners and newbies. They do not have a Merit that they can share. But this is not the main thing. They can be aggressive and evil. Really! I wrote about how to update Twitter Audit. They threatened me, wrote that my method does not work and called me a fraud. It was terrible. Thye was afraid that while they were cleaning the cookies in the browser, I would steal their private key  Huh Grin
Do not post your article on the day of the rank changing. In your topic will go to write meaningless posts. If you wrote an article with a soul, it will upset you.
And if you want to create a topic  think, maybe it's better to make it self-moderated.
But it's very good that the new system inspires the members of the forum to write articles and exchange experiences.
Do not repeat my mistakes!   Roll Eyes

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February 15, 2018, 08:42:39 PM
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So in order for me to get my merit up I have to wait until others give the smerit to me or at least hope that other memeber want to share some merit??? I'm lost.
Yes, you would have to attain 250 sMerits from other users for you to progress to hero member rank, users are most likely to give merit to the posts which are more constructive, useful and helpful to the community, maybe you can start working towards that direction.
Merits was deserves to the users who give knowledgeable information, but it not means that all people who gives suggestion or opinion are deserves to earned merit. Because sometimes their opinion is so shitty and not realistic. They were trying to makes false information to have a topic. I truly appreciate the merits system because now all users are equally. Because on the previous even users who have lack in quality they were reach the higher ranked even their post is nonsense and totally not helpful to others.
Yes I agree with that, but if you see the link below you can see that there's a lot of people are exchanging of merit to easily increase it up. Moreover they want to ranked up so easy that's why they do this.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2823221.0
Your right, but cheating to get some or a lot of merits was not allowed. Other than that this is so prohibited, I know one of this day those people who exchange merits for the sake of their ranking up will be punished by the moderator of this project.
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February 16, 2018, 01:02:39 AM
Merited by suchmoon (1)
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When everybody was bearish, I made this call.
https://www.tradingview.com/chart/BTCUSD/vL6glC1s-BTC-bullish-flag/

Can I get merit for it?  Grin

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Nope... for 2 good reasons,

1st reason: Your TL* ignores 3 daily closes. The general idea is correct but you drew it half-right! Try draw it on the Bitfinex's chart though, the trend seems to follow the TLs more accurately with their price chart. Check this one for example; I made it for fun though so don't give it much though! LINK
2nd reason: I can't merit you even if I wanted too! Roll Eyes

*TL = Trend Line


3rd reason... who gives a ratt's ass if you are correct or not, and you are bragging about your supposed ability to predict

4th reason... comes off as merit begging...

5th reason ... there are decent ways to actually earn merit without begging... for instance, go out there and have fun with your posts,  post on subjects that you like, genuinely interact with other posters in the thread, and provide meaningful information and merits will likely follow without any need for outright begging

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How much alt coin diversification is necessary? if you are investing in Bitcoin, then perhaps 0%?
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February 16, 2018, 01:48:43 AM
Merited by OriginTrain (1)
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When everybody was bearish, I made this call.
https://www.tradingview.com/chart/BTCUSD/vL6glC1s-BTC-bullish-flag/

Can I get merit for it?  Grin

regards
Nope... for 2 good reasons,

1st reason: Your TL* ignores 3 daily closes. The general idea is correct but you drew it half-right! Try draw it on the Bitfinex's chart though, the trend seems to follow the TLs more accurately with their price chart. Check this one for example; I made it for fun though so don't give it much though! LINK
2nd reason: I can't merit you even if I wanted too! Roll Eyes

*TL = Trend Line


3rd reason... who gives a ratt's ass if you are correct or not, and you are bragging about your supposed ability to predict

4th reason... comes off as merit begging...

5th reason ... there are decent ways to actually earn merit without begging... for instance, go out there and have fun with your posts,  post on subjects that you like, genuinely interact with other posters in the thread, and provide meaningful information and merits will likely follow without any need for outright begging

Yeah, that.

I have never sought rank here, ever. I had some fun with it when I achieved Hero Member, but it was just that: Fun. Then people started asking me how I got there.

Best answer I had was I spend too much time on this forum.

Then I was gone for a year, due to a great many personal issues. When I come back I'm Legendary Tongue

Honestly, if you're trying for it, I doubt you'll get it. Go out, learn, post, participate. Learn to be someone who is respected for their opinion, humour, or something that gets you noticed, but do it for the right reasons.

I came here to learn. And learn I have. I was, despite my age, an infant when I came to this forum. The main reason I got anywhere is that I pretty quickly learned the magic: Watch, and Ask.

When I totally had no clue, I'd search the forum and read. And read, and then read some more. Then when I thought I knew something, I'd open my mouth and prove I was wrong. But I caught the attention of some of the people here who did know, and were not averse to helping a new guy as long as I wasn't being a dick. Then I really started learning, and got to the point, organically, where I was the guy helping newbies.

No matter how good you are, or how good you get, at one point you were a rank newbie. In 2009, we all were. If you're just here for a quick buck, you won't be here long. If you're here to learn some really interesting things from a wide array of people in all walks of life throughout the world, the rank and merit will come and you won't notice, or care, because you'll be too busy interacting with a very eclectic and interesting group of people. And a large number of assholes. The signal to noise ratio can be very high here...

But that's true in life, isn't it?

EDIT: Typos. I hate laptop keyboards!

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February 16, 2018, 04:32:12 AM
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You do not have enough sendable merit.

Somebody fetch me a strong rope, a three-legged chair, and a solid beam.

Goodbye, cruel world, I'm off to join my maker.

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February 16, 2018, 04:34:00 AM
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Goodbye, cruel world, I'm off to join my maker.

I told you there is no room to crash right now...

I'm into creating universes, smiting people, writing holy books and listening to Prayer Messages (PMs).
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February 16, 2018, 04:37:58 AM
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Goodbye, cruel world, I'm off to join my maker.

I told you there is no room to crash right now...

GREAT! I bled away my sM and you're pourin' salt in the wounds.  Cry Cry Cry Are you stalkin' me?  Tongue

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February 16, 2018, 05:17:34 AM
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What's the point of this merit thing?
Is it fair to new members to require minimum merit to lvl up while older members are already up there?
Is it now a requirement to get minimum merit to level up for new members?
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February 16, 2018, 05:22:58 AM
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What's the point of this merit thing?
Is it fair to new members to require minimum merit to lvl up while older members are already up there?
Is it now a requirement to get minimum merit to level up for new members?

It is a bit unfair, but understandable why it had to happen.
I think it would be more fair to start everyone on 0 merit, and old members can keep the rank, this way merit actually has some meaning as intended, of number of useful posts rather than just length of time since signup + activity.

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February 16, 2018, 05:31:36 AM
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What's the point of this merit thing?
Is it fair to new members to require minimum merit to lvl up while older members are already up there?
Is it now a requirement to get minimum merit to level up for new members?

It is a bit unfair, but understandable why it had to happen.
I think it would be more fair to start everyone on 0 merit, and old members can keep the rank, this way merit actually has some meaning as intended, of number of useful posts rather than just length of time since signup + activity.

If all people starts from zero, there will be not enough merits to send to all people if we only counts the merit sources' merit, thus it will be more hard for lower rank members to rank up faster, as for now it is already slow, it can be more slower if you propose everyone has 0 merits. We all know that each rank have their own default merit, so just see that default merit as 0, like my campaign now, it requires merits point now based on their rank, and it is quite high even for the high rank members as the default merit is not giving them any privilege upon this campaign.
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February 16, 2018, 07:11:43 AM
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What's the point of this merit thing?
Is it fair to new members to require minimum merit to lvl up while older members are already up there?
Is it now a requirement to get minimum merit to level up for new members?

I agree with that! Since the new merit system is active, even active members have a hard time to rank up. I participate almost daily in discussions and try to share as constructive and useful opinion as possible but no one gives a damn to send me a merit and (to be honest) until now I just sent merit one time to a guy just to see how it works and if it costs me my own merit points.

This system has the advantage that scammers cannot rank up easily but the disadvantages are clear:

1. Active members without much friends will have a hard time to gather merit points. It seems to be almost impossible for them.
2. Members with a lot of friends will share their merit points with each other, no matter how good or bad their posts are. They rank up finally even when they only post trash while constructive lonesome wolfs stay at low ranks forever and finally give up.
3. People may lose motivation to be very active here because they know that the chances to ever rank up are very low. Many useful, constructive posts will stay unwritten.

This is just my personal opinion. Thank you!
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February 16, 2018, 07:52:31 AM
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In addition to activity, everyone now has a merit score, and you need both a certain activity level and a certain merit score in order to reach higher member ranks. The required scores are:

RankRequired activityRequired merit
Brand new00
Newbie10
Jr Member300
Member6010
Full Member120100
Sr. Member240250
Hero Member480500
LegendaryRandom in the range 775-10301000

You get merit points when someone sends you some for one of your posts. Additionally, when someone sends you merit points, half of those points can be sent by you to other people.

Certain users are designated as "merit sources". They can create new merit out of nothing, up to a limited number per month (which differs per source). I will not be posting a definitive list of merit sources (so that people don't bug them too much), though you'll soon figure out who they are if you pay attention.

There is currently no such thing as a "demerit". I'm hoping that the positive merits alone will be fine. I could add demerits pretty easily later on if necessary, though.

I'm hoping that this system will increase post quality by:
 - Forcing people to post high-quality stuff in order to rank up. If you just post garbage, you will never get even 1 merit point, and you will therefore never be able to put links in your signature, etc.
 - Highlighting good posts with the "Merited by" line.

While we will not be directly moderating this, I encourage people to give merit to posts that are objectively high-quality, not just posts that you agree with.

Do not beg for merit excessively.

Useful infographics

Forum users have helpfully created some infographics to explain the merit system:
paxmao's infographic
ibminer's infographic
8Habits's infographic
JetSet11's infographic
zentdex's infographic
alia_armelle's infographic

If you want to be a merit source:

 1. Be a somewhat established member.
 2. Collect TEN posts written in the last couple of months by other people that have not received nearly enough merit for how good they are, and post quotes for them all in a new Meta thread. The point of this is to demonstrate your ability to give out merit usefully.
 3. We will take a look at your history and maybe make you a source.

I am especially eager to have merit sources in sub-communities such as the local sections.

Trivia:

For current members, your initial merit score is equal to the minimum required to your rank. Of that, a certain amount (less than the usual half) is spendable. The spendable amount was calculated based on your current rank and the number of activity points you earned in the last year. A Legendary member who hasn't posted in the last year would still be Legendary, but would not have any spendable merit.

If someone sends you 1 merit, the 0.5 sMerit is not wasted; it is just not shown until you get another merit point.

There are stats here, and you can find someone's merit summary by clicking the "merit" link on their profile.

If only I was a forum moderator, I could've had as much merit as theymos.
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February 16, 2018, 07:57:58 AM
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What's the point of this merit thing?
Is it fair to new members to require minimum merit to lvl up while older members are already up there?
Is it now a requirement to get minimum merit to level up for new members?

I agree with that! Since the new merit system is active, even active members have a hard time to rank up. I participate almost daily in discussions and try to share as constructive and useful opinion as possible but no one gives a damn to send me a merit and (to be honest) until now I just sent merit one time to a guy just to see how it works and if it costs me my own merit points.

This system has the advantage that scammers cannot rank up easily but the disadvantages are clear:

1. Active members without much friends will have a hard time to gather merit points. It seems to be almost impossible for them.
2. Members with a lot of friends will share their merit points with each other, no matter how good or bad their posts are. They rank up finally even when they only post trash while constructive lonesome wolfs stay at low ranks forever and finally give up.
3. People may lose motivation to be very active here because they know that the chances to ever rank up are very low. Many useful, constructive posts will stay unwritten.

This is just my personal opinion. Thank you!
I was also wondering about this part, does sending a merit costs you your own merit? Also, I don't think it's hard for a scammer to PM a member with many merit points and offer a trade... merit points for some BTC.

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