NXT :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information

[bitcoinpaul]

Conference Update #11

I spoke with the guys at Hive today. They have a pretty slick OSX wallet that is super easy to use. They are about to expand to android as well as looking for a colored coins type of implementation to accept all cryptos.

I spoke with them about our Asset Exchange/Colored coins feature and they are wanting to get in contact to figure out our release time frame as well as the possibilities of using Nxt for this.

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We need to see if we can get a possible date for implantation, which may just be some research, and put together some other info for them and get our devs in contact with them.

Niftynickel, you are fantastic. Thanks for all the energy you give for our little NXT

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[ChuckOne]

The possibility seems quite low to me.

Look into the blockchain

Coincidences?

[Damelon]

NXT should emphasise low energy consumption and emissions reduction, can we agree on that ?

This seems the logical thing to me.
Anyone is free to think as they please.

The global warming discussion is one I would happily discuss, but not in regards to Nxt. That's a personal matter.

[Uniqueorn]

NXT should emphasise low energy consumption and emissions reduction, can we agree on that ?

This seems the logical thing to me.
Anyone is free to think as they please.

The global warming discussion is one I would happily discuss, but not in regards to Nxt. That's a personal matter.

Not really a personal matter, the reason it was brought up is marketing strategies, not to start debating global warming in general.
I had no idea that so many NXTers are so uninformed, so I was surprised as hell.

The reason it is important to highlight (in my opinion) is that it's currently a hot topic in tech magazines in regards to Bitcoin. So it's a free marketing oppourtunity.

[starik69]

The possibility seems quite low to me.

Look into the blockchain

Coincidences?

Statistics

[mindtomatter]

About Nxt in 1 minute

we need to record 1 minute long recordings about Nxt to promote it in the radio. You can write a script, even record it or only come with idea what we should speak about. Or help with corrections.

Topics could be:
- formerly closed source nature, the limited distribution, the anonymous nature of the creators, the traps built into the source,
- all myths: http://nxtcoin.blogspot.cz/search/label/Myths

It could be a dialog - interview:

- personal experiences and feelings about NXT.

- a lot of different spots, spots with people answering the question "What is NXT" in their own words.

We need to do it fast. (in hours/few days)

Thank you for your cooperation.

-- the boss here would probably be Joefox, if he agrees. But I think - everyone can participate.

With a minute spot, I would suggest getting a couple of different people to read different spots.  You could have somebody doing mythbusting spots but I think it would be better to instead focus on the really cool features built into next and helping people imagine the reasons why they would actually want to use it.  People are very creative once you point them in the right direction, but the metacoin layer thing is a tough sell at first.     If you focus on the negative stuff people think about NXT, you come off as defensive but if you just talk about why your project is neat and why you're excited about it, that will attract more attention because people think its a good thing not a bad thing.

The perspective YOU bring, going into talk to people about NXT will be reflected in how they react.  If you think they'll hate it, they're probably going to hate it because you'll couch your words in such a way to make them prepare to hate it.  

You guys don't need to be defensive, you have a major advantage - a product that's out, and that seems to work with a development team that doens't have the legal liability of your competitors or some of the jurisdictional risk.   Your disadvantage is NXT appears to be a bit headless, with a few self-appointed organizers but no real structure besides stakeholders acting in what they feel is their own best interest.   It might be interesting talking about that, how NXT is a *real* decentralized org in that there is no formal company at all doing the development or paying for anything.

[starik69]

I had no idea that so many NXTers are so uninformed, so I was surprised as hell.

Then may be it is you who uninformed, because informed are not surprised? 

[ChuckOne]

The possibility seems quite low to me.

Look into the blockchain

Coincidences?

Statistics

You see. The wealth of the whales will diminish over time. Because the fees will drain their accounts bit by bit. Even when 95% goes back to them. The 5% will make it in the long run.

[Damelon]

NXT should emphasise low energy consumption and emissions reduction, can we agree on that ?

This seems the logical thing to me.
Anyone is free to think as they please.

The global warming discussion is one I would happily discuss, but not in regards to Nxt. That's a personal matter.

Not really a personal matter, the reason it was brought up is marketing strategies, not to start debating global warming in general.
I had no idea that so many NXTers are so uninformed, so I was surprised as hell.

The reason it is important to highlight (in my opinion) is that it's currently a hot topic in tech magazines in regards to Bitcoin. So it's a free marketing oppourtunity.

The reason why I'd like to avoid it is exactly becáuse it's such a hot topic, where science, politics and emotions get mixed up so the thing you want to promote is likely to be forgotten.

You see how easily that happens in this thread. Imagine what can happen in other places.

It's not that I disagree it's an important issue, it's that it is very likely to cloud the fact that what Nxt does is reduce power consumption, no matter what.

Whether you "believe" (and I know that is the wrong word) in GW isn't important for the fact that power consumption goes down, which is a good thing from any angle except the people that profit by generating power.

[Damelon]

Btw, updated my front page a bit, so relevant information is easier accessible.

http://www.nxtcoins.nl/

[starik69]

You see. The wealth of the whales will diminish over time. Because the fees will drain their accounts bit by bit. Even when 95% goes back to them. The 5% will make it in the long run.

I don't see. Fees will not drain, they are collecting them.
And even that, is your 5% worth the game (voting)?

[Komputor]

with 1 voting acc at 4Nxt to participate we have the following:

Code:

1 acc  (1Nxt)  = 1 vote  = 3Nxt to create + 1Nxt to vote = 1 voice 3Nxt + 1 vote = 4Nnxt
1 acc  (5Nxt)  = 1 vote  = 3Nxt to create + 1nxt to vote = 1 voice 3Nxt + 1 vote = 4Nnxt
1 acc(5milNxt) = 1 vote  = 3Nxt to create + 1Nxt to vote = 1 voice 3Nxt + 1 vote = 4Nnxt

Still we can't be sure that everyone will behave. What we can do from here is to 
make it more expensive and less cost effective for an account with a large balance
trying to create voting puppets to rig the vote.

If 1acc(5mil) creates 5acc(1mil) to try to rig the vote, his vote would cost him
5acc (1milNxt) = 5 votes = 20Nxt to create + 5Nxt to vote = 1 voice 25Nxt
if 1acc(5milNxt) creates 10.000 vote puppets, let him go bankrupt and pay the fees.

Let the nodes collect the fees

This is my idea. NXT is bringing a whole new message to our society and we should
try to emphasize on making it more transparent. Giving voting power to a large wallet
will be a fatal blow to the foundations of NXT, as it is completely anti-social.

Sorry for the wall of text, but voting is a serious issue.
-Fo-
 
 

Does anyone else think this is an excellent suggestion? Why can't we adopt this approach to the voting system?

[TwinWinNerD]

Actually, if we make voting "costly" then the whales will gain wealth even fast!

[wastedbit]

I'm wondering if a webpage can get a listing of your url history?

I don't know Javascript, but: http://www.w3schools.com/jsref/obj_history.asp

The history object contains the URLs visited by the user (within a browser window).

The history object is part of the window object and is accessed through the window.history property.

Note: There is no public standard that applies to the history object, but all major browsers support it.

I researched this last night for a few hours.  There are techniques to see if a browser has been to a site (like http:\\localhost); but, by design, a webpage (via javascript or DOM) does not allow review of full URL history.  Seems to use an internal browser function to check if a site has been visited - that's it - no general browsing of a client history.  You can throw the browser back to previous pages and then get the URL in DOM, but that would double buy an alias - which has never occurred.  Based on this, it appears URL history, by browser design, cannot be accessed from a webpage.  

I'll check if a webpage can read the clipboard.  That's about the only thing coming to mind.

BTW.  If anyone was clever enough to do this, they would make millions in advertising.  No need to waste time with NXT atm.

[Komputor]

Actually, if we make voting "costly" then the whales will gain wealth even fast!

Please explain how, exactly?

[TwinWinNerD]

Actually, if we make voting "costly" then the whales will gain wealth even fast!

Please explain how, exactly?

Because we are in a POS system, and if voting cost more than the minimum fee amount, than a majority of the money spend for voting will go directly to the big account holders.

[Damelon]

Summary will be a little late today. I'm working on something special

[shoichikun808]

the way I see it is.

We have a bunch of NXT accounts designated for each voting idea. Each person can send NXT to those accounts to determine which idea get's pushed to the front. Then at the end of the voting period the NXT that was sent to the accounts will be pooled and a majority of the NXT(small portion going to dev costs maybe?) then is distributed among all the NXT accounts that helped in the voting process created prior to the announcement of the voting period (to prevent people from creating accounts just for voting).

So if 150M NXT gets donated and maybe like 100M NXT is to be distributed by 10,000 individual accounts that submitted a vote. Each account that took place in the voting process will receive around 10K NXT each, sort of like a "Thank You for Voting".

Whales will have to pay to play the voting game if they want something implemented while the people that can't afford much NXT in the beginning get paid at the end to help distribute NXT more.

idk, just an idea I was thinking of. Not sure how logical it is  

[Anon136]

everyone is really making this whole voting thing more complicated than it needs to be. Just give people voting power in proportion to their stake. enforce a fee equal to the minimum transaction fee to ensure that they actually care about what they are voting on. and as for how long the stake must have remained stationary, let the issuer of the ballot determine that. its not perfect but nothing ever will be and its the best trade off in incentives problems i can think of.

*edit* really why does this even need to be done on the blockchain anyway. its just going to hog resources. let programmers build systems ontop of the blockchain for this. the tokens that we can already produce are all we need.

[TwinWinNerD]

the way I see it is.

We have a bunch of NXT accounts designated for each voting idea. Each person can send NXT to those accounts to determine which idea get's pushed to the front. Then at the end of the voting period the NXT that was sent to the accounts will be pooled and a majority of the NXT(small portion going to dev costs maybe?) then is distributed among all the NXT accounts that helped in the voting process created prior to the announcement of the voting period (to prevent people from creating accounts just for voting).

So if 150M NXT gets donated and maybe like 100M NXT is to be distributed by 10,000 individual accounts that submitted a vote. Each account that took place in the voting process will receive around 10K NXT each, sort of like a "Thank You for Voting".

Whales will have to pay to play the voting game if they want something implemented while the people that can't afford much NXT in the beginning get paid at the end to help distribute NXT more.

idk, just an idea I was thinking of. Not sure how logical it is  

That is an astonishingly retarded idea hahaha