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Not to mention slow transaction times, bloated blockchain, almost non existant official releases, not very many full nodes on the network, and of course the opaque blockchain in which you have to trust there is no bad actor stealthily minting coins they shouldn't. But apart from that. Hey at least Monero has a graphical UI these days. It took a while.



Whoah hold on there buddy that is pure disinformation.

From what I researched Monero has over 1k nodes, well geographically dispersed, pretty decent for a project of it's size, while Dash's Masternode allegations still stand, due to it's costly nature we don't know whether it's the orignal devs setup the Masternodes or not, I personally highly doubt that many people have that much money to throw out on a node so, at the very least people should be vigilant about the Masternodes. So a sybil attack is more probable on Dash.

And you also seem to confuse Monero with Zcash. It's Zcash that has a totally non-transparent blockchain with "trusted" initialization. Monero is decentralized and trustless.


Now I don't know about "bloated blockchain", that's such a redundant term, almost everyone uses it to criticize a competitor. And the last time I sent a Monero TX (wasn't that long ago), the TX confirmed pretty quickly with decent fees.


So I think you are just trying to discredit Monero here from a competitor's point of view.

wait monero has masternodes? since when? I don't see it listed anywhere on masternodes.pro
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wait monero has masternodes? since when? I don't see it listed anywhere on masternodes.pro

What? I was talking about Dash's masternodes. Read my post again.


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Proposal: Marketing (October)

https://www.dash.org/forum/threads/proposal-marketing-communication-october.16913/

Would you believe that Dash is working with one of the most prestigious marketing firms in the world? It's happening. This proposal funds a marketing contract with Ogilvy & Mather, a leading global multi-channel advertising agency and marketing firm for a professional rebranding and a digital advertising campaign consisting of strategy, creative development, production, and media management.
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Optimally Implementing Privacy in a High Value Digital Asset as Distinct from a Low Value Transacting Platform

I don't think you understand the concept of Fungibility.

Basically fungibility is non-discrimination. It's like me talking to a person on the internet, I don't know whether he is black or white or asian or other, so racism can't even possibly be considered, not that I am a racist, but the mere fact of somebody knowing some tiny public information can already be a point of discrimination.


It doesn't just mean the identity of the owner, or the source of the funds (criminal vs legal). It might also be the size of the transaction or the pattern of it.


* What if nodes/miners decide to censor or discriminate transactions above 10,000$ like we see with AML/KYC rules, regardless of origin. A high value transaction could potentially be flagged or considered dangerous, so merchants/nodes/miners could censor it or discriminate against it. It doesnt even have to be illegal money, it might just be a high value transaction, that people don't want themselves to associate with.

* What if people will censor addresses that make more than 200 tx /day. That could be considered suspicious too right? Possible money laundering activity? Who knows?

* Maybe I don't relay transactions with 666 balances because I'm religious. Maybe my cat died in 2007 so I don't relay TX that send 2007 DASH. You name it.



Do you understand what fungibility is? It's not just the proven or reasonably suspicious transactions that get discriminated/censored. It's every transaction that for whatever subjective standard is "suspicious" or unfavorable.



Anything can be used for discrimination. So you literally have to enforce equality on the blockchain, by anonymizing everything, but leaving it cryptographically verifiable and secure.


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* What if nodes/miners decide to censor or discriminate transactions above 10,000$...

You're conflating fungibility of the coin supply with "fungibility" of the transacting environment.

They are distinct.
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Not to mention slow transaction times, bloated blockchain, almost non existant official releases, not very many full nodes on the network, and of course the opaque blockchain in which you have to trust there is no bad actor stealthily minting coins they shouldn't. But apart from that. Hey at least Monero has a graphical UI these days. It took a while.



Whoah hold on there buddy that is pure disinformation.

From what I researched Monero has over 1k nodes, well geographically dispersed, pretty decent for a project of it's size, while Dash's Masternode allegations still stand, due to it's costly nature we don't know whether it's the orignal devs setup the Masternodes or not, I personally highly doubt that many people have that much money to throw out on a node so, at the very least people should be vigilant about the Masternodes. So a sybil attack is more probable on Dash.

And you also seem to confuse Monero with Zcash. It's Zcash that has a totally non-transparent blockchain with "trusted" initialization. Monero is decentralized and trustless.


Now I don't know about "bloated blockchain", that's such a redundant term, almost everyone uses it to criticize a competitor. And the last time I sent a Monero TX (wasn't that long ago), the TX confirmed pretty quickly with decent fees.


So I think you are just trying to discredit Monero here from a competitor's point of view.


You are right on the GUI part though, I really had to learn the console commands just to make a wallet, pretty gruesome nerdy work, but I think it was worth it. A better GUI and possible mobile apps and such should be put out in the future though.

Thanks for tackling the FUD generated by the Evan's Gate cult to keep their members brainwashed.  Mind if I pile on?

The lies about XMR nodes are a deflection from criticism of Dash's many problems and easily proven false (which makes the initial lie more shameful/less forgivable).  Accordingn to https://monerohash.com/nodes-distribution.html there are "Total nodes: 1451" ATM.

Now let's consider how 1500 XMR nodes stack up against 4500 Masternodes.

The hardware footprint is similar for now, but we should keep in mind Evan is already acting to create expensive, obligatory, proprietary Masternode hardware because he insists on shoving every transaction into Layer1 like some kind of derpy crypto-clown.

So both nodes run on a simple $5/month Vultr, no problem.  That's good for decentralization, which is measured by the cost of the option to run a full node.

But Dash artificially raises the barrier to entry by 1000 Dash, which brings CONOP to ~$300k and thus destroys any illusion about the Dash network being diverse/diffuse/defensible/resilient.

Another aspect is how the nodes work together to instantiate their respective protocols.  Monero nodes do not have to trust each other because their protocol is trustless and does not leak exploitable metadata.  But Masternodes do not 'blind' their connections and so must trust their fellow Masternodes are not malicious or otherwise compromised.  The Masternode protocol was supposedly going to add blinding, but that never happened because Duffield isn't a good enough programmer and doesn't care about shredding his credibility with fanciful plans which are announced to great fanfare and then silently abandoned.

As for Sybil attacks, there exists in Dash an incentive to attack fellow Masternodes which has no counterpart in Monero.  IE, Masternode owners may increase the amount and frequency of their own Masternode Ponzi payments by removing other Masternodes from the payment queue (accomplished by knocking them offline).

Similarly, there exists in Dash an incentive to sabotage InstantSend because Masternodes reap higher tx fees processing regular (and especially PrivateSend) transactions.

Dash has no fucking business talking about a "bloated blockchain" when Evan is planning on moving Masternodes to exotic custom verification ASICs just to get around his failure to implement segwit and enable payments being moved to higher layers.  This moron is buddies with all the Big Blockers like Roger Ver, and in his diseased imagination he believes $500k Masternodes hosted in $1k/month data centers processing 500mb blocks is going to be the wave of future.

Compared to the latest Bitcoin Core, Dash's blockchain is bloated because Dash transactions still must use precious block space for mostly-useless witness data at the cost of excluding additional transactions.  This bloat cannot be pruned, unlike the user-definable pruning levels available in Core.

Where is the Dash supporter willing to honestly compare the total cumulative size ("blockchain bloat") of a PrivateSend Dash transaction versus one from Monero?

Of course the best privacy in the world isn't free.  Only a bloated blue-hair SJW with hideous extra-thick cankles and zero understanding of computer science would expect otherwise.

Having said that, let's keep in mind Monero's RingCT is the initial release, with amazing sub-log optimizations (google "RuffCT") coming Soon(tm).

The best party of Monero's CLI is that it kept Dash clowns from buying during the years of cheap sub-dollar XMR.

They were not willing to learn and apply themselves so they didn't get the XMR gains.

Back in the day, I spent a couple of weeks cursing like a sailor and popping telomeres just getting cgminer to work, followed by months of fighting with thermal paste/fans/firmware/drivers/clock speeds/mem timings/pools/orphans/rejects/variance.  That "gruesome nerdy work" was the most valuable experience of my life....  Cool

That's how crypto is supposed to work; it's not a free ride for the MOAR GIBS PLZ leeches.

We are now experiencing Peak Eternal September as evidenced by the voluntary transfer of wealth to useless shitlibs lacking any redeeming talent or ability.


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you literally have to enforce equality on the blockchain, by anonymizing everything, but leaving it cryptographically verifiable and secure.[/b]

Information for you:

Encrypted blockchains are far less "verifiable" and far less "secure" than unencrypted ones.
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Not to mention slow transaction times, bloated blockchain, almost non existant official releases, not very many full nodes on the network, and of course the opaque blockchain in which you have to trust there is no bad actor stealthily minting coins they shouldn't. But apart from that. Hey at least Monero has a graphical UI these days. It took a while.



Whoah hold on there buddy that is pure disinformation.

From what I researched Monero has over 1k nodes, well geographically dispersed, pretty decent for a project of it's size, while Dash's Masternode allegations still stand, due to it's costly nature we don't know whether it's the orignal devs setup the Masternodes or not, I personally highly doubt that many people have that much money to throw out on a node so, at the very least people should be vigilant about the Masternodes. So a sybil attack is more probable on Dash.

And you also seem to confuse Monero with Zcash. It's Zcash that has a totally non-transparent blockchain with "trusted" initialization. Monero is decentralized and trustless.


Now I don't know about "bloated blockchain", that's such a redundant term, almost everyone uses it to criticize a competitor. And the last time I sent a Monero TX (wasn't that long ago), the TX confirmed pretty quickly with decent fees.


So I think you are just trying to discredit Monero here from a competitor's point of view.


You are right on the GUI part though, I really had to learn the console commands just to make a wallet, pretty gruesome nerdy work, but I think it was worth it. A better GUI and possible mobile apps and such should be put out in the future though.

here is a brief timeline with of how masternodes came out to be..DASH Masternodes - the perfect motive for the instamine

spoiler alert!...

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Oh that's so cute!!  Look, Dash was only $25 at the time of that little thread of yours  Grin  Perhaps we should all be thanking you for the part you played in Dash's meteoric rise (currently $340).  Your linking to that thread again now seems like a very bullish indicator.  Thanks Arielbit, things are about to get very exciting for Dash!!
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Oh that's so cute!!  Look, Dash was only $25 at the time of that little thread of yours  Grin  Perhaps we should all be thanking you for the part you played in Dash's meteoric rise (currently $340).  Your linking to that thread again now seems like a very bullish indicator.  Thanks Arielbit, things are about to get very exciting for Dash!!

you are very welcome..

just to remind you all, it wasn't just dash that boomed...pointing to dash price increase just to say that it was better than other crypto assets is just ridiculous.
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Are there any plans to re-enable instant send?  Grin Grin Grin

That's a great question.  "...and still crickets" indeed!

it was a long time ago since I have informed myself about the current dev status. does anybody know it? when is the evolution release?

Current Dash status = InstantSend has been broken for weeks and no concrete plan (much less working code) has been released to fix the problem of evil Masternode collusion.

That's what happens when you trust 3rd parties like Masternodes.  Your shit gets broken and the world laughs at you.  Every. Grin  Single. Grin Time. Grin

Dash is used to being a laughingstock (often literally the punchline in Core devs' jokes) because of its InstaMine, IPv6, ATM, debit, and privacy/honesty/decentralization failures.

But this time is different.  Leaving InstantSend broken removes all warrants to claim Dash is digital cash, as does the atrocious lack of fungibility created by the giveaway to Coinalytics.

More acutely, Dash is based on an ancient, creaky, dilapidated version of Bitcoin that is full of exploitable 0-day bugs, such as recently disclosed at the Breaking Bitcoin conference.

Worst of all for bagholders, Dash's Evolution is languishing in The Land Of Vaporware while an emerging LTC/DCR/VIA alliance of altcoins are successfully initiating cross-chain atomic swaps.

Dash can't do atomic swaps and can't support Lightning because of Evan The Incompetent Instaminer's idiotic refusal to use segwit for fixing transaction malleability, etc.

Decred and Lightning today showed the world what happens when you prioritize technology over marketing.

https://twitter.com/decredproject/status/910224860625780736


Meanwhile, Dash still hasn't blinded the Masternodes and thus cannot solve its tiny little problem with InstanSend being completely phuX0R'd and unfixable within the self-imposed 2-week deadline.

Apparently the point of Dash is to fund scams like MaxCoin Keiser's Russian vacation, a butt-ugly rented plane, and subsidize an obese self-loathing man-hating racist virtue-signalling blue-hair SJW who shops for problem glasses and generally attention whores under color of TrumpHate. Roll Eyes

The problem is they cannot use.block hash.because they do not keep track of masternodes at a per block level.. its a p2p list thats sent prior to.syncing.. in order.to solve.the problem you have to  come up with a deterministic quorum that involves the hash of the block along with input and collateral output.. just using collateral output and tx input gives offchain analysis attack.vectors that make the odds that evam posted in the whitepaper far less convincing for having a quorum you own with minimal number of masternodes.

 I saw this attack was possible before it was posted but didnt really know it can cause double spends so i kept.it between myself and a few others as we just chuckled about it.. but turns out more serious than I had thought..correct me if im wrong.but in order to fix it i think the entire masternode system would need to be reworked as a coloured coin type of implementation.

I also saw a recent push on reworking instantx and not sure if that actually solved the problem more than just patching it by allowing a 15 second window for instantx to complete.. im not sure how that actually prevents any attack here.


Ouch.  Dash's poor design decisions and resultant bad architecture reliant on trusted 3rd party Masternodes are not fixable problems.

Evan is like the sweaty stressed meme guy deciding which red button to press:
1. Leave InstantSend broken and abandon claim to be digital cash, or,
2. fork Decred and move the entire Dash coin distribution to a new blockchain via 1:1 airdrop.

But option 1 isn't viable because Dash's code was copy/pasted from an ancient Bitcoin release, full of exploitable zero-day bugs and thousands of commits behind Core 0.15.

If your friends want to test their theories I'd be happy to fund such research.  Let's see how many bad apples it takes to spoil the entire bunch.

Since exchanges are at risk of being drained using double-spent Dash, we need to put on our white hats and secure the vulnerable funds before the black hats get them first.

Another way to prevent loss would be to use Chris Jeffery's oomkiller attack to brick Masternodes until the network is paralyzed or at least segmented into uselessness.

I'll give 1 BTC to the first person who publishes modified weaponized Masternode code capable of carrying out this experiment.

The sooner we shut this scam down the better.  The pictures of poor desperate Venezuelans and retarded Iowan children being OneCoined trigger my sheepdog instincts.  Embarrassed
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Ouch.  Dash's poor design decisions and resultant bad architecture reliant on trusted 3rd party Masternodes are not fixable problems.

Evan is like the sweaty stressed meme guy deciding which red button to press:
1. Leave InstantSend broken and abandon claim to be digital cash, or,
2. fork Decred and move the entire Dash coin distribution to a new blockchain via 1:1 airdrop.

But option 1 isn't viable because Dash's code was copy/pasted from an ancient Bitcoin release, full of exploitable zero-day bugs and thousands of commits behind Core 0.15.

If your friends want to test their theories I'd be happy to fund such research.  Let's see how many bad apples it takes to spoil the entire bunch.

Since exchanges are at risk of being drained using double-spent Dash, we need to put on our white hats and secure the vulnerable funds before the black hats get them first.

Another way to prevent loss would be to use Chris Jeffery's oomkiller attack to brick Masternodes until the network is paralyzed or at least segmented into uselessness.

I'll give 1 BTC to the first person who publishes modified weaponized Masternode code capable of carrying out this experiment.

The sooner we shut this scam down the better.  The pictures of poor desperate Venezuelans and retarded Iowan children being OneCoined trigger my sheepdog instincts.  Embarrassed
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did you guys just announce to the world of your criminal intent ?  Shocked EDIT :  again ? like the last time icetrollero promises to exposes Dash's weakness ? LOL

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Network Strength Comparison with regards to Sybil-Attack

Monero : 1000 full nodes
Cost to setup a full node : $5 per node
Cost of Sybil Attack : $5 x 1000 = $5000
Network Strength on itself : Weak
Network Strength against Sybil Attack : Very Weak

Dash : 4552 masternodes
Cost to setup a masternode : $346,010 per masternode
Cost of Sybil Attack : $346,010 x 4552 = $1,575,037,520
Network Strength on itself : Strong
Network Strength against Sybil Attack : Very Strong

Note : There is currently not enough Dash circulating around to even try a Sybil Attack

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Dash price outbreak in progress : stay tuned...

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September 21, 2017, 07:31:40 AM

Dash price outbreak in progress : stay tuned...

Huge buys on bithump. Koreans definetly liked Dash. I'll aim for ATH in btc. Than I might short it.


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September 21, 2017, 08:04:05 AM

everyone, I want to buy antminer d3 15gh/s dash miner .. from nodecrypto.com... anyone pre order this??
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September 21, 2017, 08:09:24 AM
Last edit: September 21, 2017, 08:49:31 AM by kointrend

Dash price outbreak in progress : stay tuned...

Huge buys on bithump. Koreans definetly liked Dash. I'll aim for ATH in btc. Than I might short it.

Impressive, 58% of the market   Cheesy

Come on, eat just five millions to pass litecoin  Roll Eyes

edit: Done!  Cool
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September 21, 2017, 08:54:08 AM

Lol, I mined 24 darkcoins in the beginning of 2014 with the GPU of my desktop PC.
It's good that I not sold it off in that time  Grin.

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September 21, 2017, 09:02:32 AM


Not to mention slow transaction times, bloated blockchain, almost non existant official releases, not very many full nodes on the network, and of course the opaque blockchain in which you have to trust there is no bad actor stealthily minting coins they shouldn't. But apart from that. Hey at least Monero has a graphical UI these days. It took a while.



Whoah hold on there buddy that is pure disinformation.

From what I researched Monero has over 1k nodes, well geographically dispersed, pretty decent for a project of it's size, while Dash's Masternode allegations still stand, due to it's costly nature we don't know whether it's the orignal devs setup the Masternodes or not, I personally highly doubt that many people have that much money to throw out on a node so, at the very least people should be vigilant about the Masternodes. So a sybil attack is more probable on Dash.

And you also seem to confuse Monero with Zcash. It's Zcash that has a totally non-transparent blockchain with "trusted" initialization. Monero is decentralized and trustless.


Now I don't know about "bloated blockchain", that's such a redundant term, almost everyone uses it to criticize a competitor. And the last time I sent a Monero TX (wasn't that long ago), the TX confirmed pretty quickly with decent fees.


So I think you are just trying to discredit Monero here from a competitor's point of view.


You are right on the GUI part though, I really had to learn the console commands just to make a wallet, pretty gruesome nerdy work, but I think it was worth it. A better GUI and possible mobile apps and such should be put out in the future though.

These are my actual first hand experiences when I tried using Monero. Admittedly from a while back, more than a year ago. But the experience was aweful. Maybe things have improved. I didn't know the number of nodes had crept up, last time I looked it was less than one thousand. I am not confused about Monero and Zcash. Both have opaque blockchains. You don't seem to get it, despite toknormals posts on the subject. Ah well. You can take a horse to water but not make it drink. By the way the ONLY reason I am even mentioning Monero is because you popped up on here going on about Monero versus Dash like its some kind of competition. 
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