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September 23, 2017, 08:26:41 AM


Blah blah blah


Strange I thought your comment was at the top of this page. Ah well I'm sure it was interesting and informative. About the Dash roadmap and Evolution. Don't be worried, Dash will deliver.
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September 23, 2017, 08:34:05 AM

When other altcoins are going down, but dash is up, amazing performance the team, go to top 5 again?   Shocked Shocked
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September 23, 2017, 09:34:18 AM

When other altcoins are going down, but dash is up, amazing performance the team, go to top 5 again?   Shocked Shocked

is in top 5 indeed  Smiley



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September 23, 2017, 09:44:58 AM

Dash is performing extremely well in the time of uncertainties in other projects and markets. I like the strategy of team to promote Dash how it went recently. I don't own large quantity but whatever are in my possession have long plans for them. Dash is rising and this time is looks different and ready to go mainstream.
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September 23, 2017, 09:52:07 AM

I just bought some dash list night, because in think it is a very good long term bag. I am happy about all the features they have implemented. And i am looking forward to all the thing that are coming next. Nice to be a party of the community now
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September 23, 2017, 10:12:55 AM

Looks like Dash is the best performing cryptocurrency in the top 8 on coinalyze :

https://coinalyze.net/

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September 23, 2017, 11:28:20 AM

Hi guys, I have 300 idle dash. I know this is too little for a masternode but is there any 100% secure and trustless way to use some masternode-management service?
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September 23, 2017, 12:46:54 PM

Hi guys, I have 300 idle dash. I know this is too little for a masternode but is there any 100% secure and trustless way to use some masternode-management service?

For a true 100% secure and trustless solution, i'm afraid you have to wait on the introduction of masternode shares through Dash Evolution
Link : https://www.dash.org/news/evolutions-marketplace-masternode-shares-dapi-evan-duffield-expounds/

What we do have are the following hosting services : https://dashpay.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/DOC/pages/1867885/Hosting+Services+Host+Pooling+Monitoring
Two of those provide masternode pooling : Masternode.Me & Splawik`s Super Shares Service  
Both are run by trusted members of the community and both have an excellent reputation , but in itself these are not trustless solutions.
 

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September 23, 2017, 05:35:08 PM

I just bought some dash list night, because in think it is a very good long term bag. I am happy about all the features they have implemented. And i am looking forward to all the thing that are coming next. Nice to be a party of the community now

For me its the best long term bag, better than bitcoin segwit and bitcoin cash, although I hold them too. I don't even count Ripple or Eth as worthy of my attention.
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I just bought some dash list night, because in think it is a very good long term bag. I am happy about all the features they have implemented. And i am looking forward to all the thing that are coming next. Nice to be a party of the community now

For me its the best long term bag, better than bitcoin segwit and bitcoin cash, although I hold them too. I don't even count Ripple or Eth as worthy of my attention.

DASH seems to be the only viable alternative to bitcoin segwit and bitcoin cash in terms of actually viability as a currency. Its network effect is 2nd to the OG bitcoin conglomerate, it has a cult-like following of early adopters, and it seems to be somewhat impervious to the "china" meme. Im pretty long on DASH... and now with its native iOS app, it can do some serious penetration in the US in terms of becoming a utilized digital currency. More brick and mortar adoption in the near future i hope.

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The Monero blockchain can NOT be verified with a pubkey.  A Monero Transaction Can be verified,  That is a BIG difference. 
Yes thanks for correction.

Why would you want to verify other's transactions? That is the entire point, that you shouldn't.

If the protocol and the encoding procedure is bug-free, then it's just as valid transaction even if it's masked. And we know the whole point of hash functions and public key cryptography is that you cant recreate the same data from different source, collision protection.

If that mechanism is sound, then who cares what the transaction is, nobody can steal your money and nobody even knows who and how much money they have. Only those that you do business with will.

That is the whole point. You don't need a public ledge, a rich list, and such. It's very privacy invasive.

It’s all based on trust: trust in the “hopium” than that the client you happen to be using actually faithfully implements the protocol; trust in the ‘experts’ that the chain is ok when either some rogue group says it isn’t or when your own client software says it isn’t; trust in developers that the code isn’t doing some mad corrupt leakage out to an address that nobody can see or audit; trust in a centralised encryption algorithm that it won't be sprung open with a can opener a few years down the line to reveal every transaction in history. (A 'viewkey' doesn't in the least change this fact by the way. All a viewkey is is a private key with read-only privilages, it isn't a substitute for a fully transparent chain).


Just as with Dash's hopium that the Masternode system won't be broken or abused in some way.
...etc...

Did you even READ what Toknormal said?  There is no "Hopium" as you can SEE everything done on the blockchain, you simply can't TRACE it.  The Inputs and outputs are clear, Dash mixes by creating exactly the same denominations and entering them in the block chain at the same time, input = output and thus with one round, an output has 3 possible inputs.  Do this once, you have the same amount of "mixing" as Monero has.  But there is a possibility that the Masternode, who only gets chosen 1:4500 times, is spying, so we allow for as many rounds of mixing as you care to do.  After 8 rounds of mixing, even if someone can spy with 80% of the masternodes, the likelihood of seeing where funds are is minuscule.  And that's basically for the paranoid, because Masternodes are well distributed and all over the world.

In Monero, you can not see the blockchain.  Inputs and outputs are obfuscated in a mess.  Which by the way, how do you know there is no key to unravel?  Dash does this with logic, not mathematical trickery.  Who can know if there is a key to unravel a "one way encryption"?  This part I may be ignorant on, but as I can't understand it, I don't trust it.  They already had their system cracked a couple of years ago, with all previous transactions exposed, how do we know that won't happen again?  Dash uses pure logic and statistics.  With that, you can keep a transparent blockchain that can be audited to make sure it is functioning properly, that no extra coins were somehow inserted that weren't part of the rewards produced, etc...  It also allows for functions where a transparent blockchain is desirable, such as charities that want to show how their funds are spent, or the Core team, who do not mix their funds, and clearly show how they are spending funds so we can see if they are trustworthy or not. 

And without the transparent blockchain, without this system of Masternodes, without the budget system, there could be no Evolution.  Evolution will be a completely decentralized yet easy to use system, like logging into your bank account, moving funds to different "accounts" and making payments as easily as Paypal.  ALL DECENTRALIZED!!!  No "3rd party service" which is what web wallets are, BTW, so know your funds are as at risk there as they are in an exchange.

Anyway, I hope this helps, if you still don't see the value, please stop shilling Monero here, you won't get anywhere with it with this audience.


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Hi guys, I have 300 idle dash. I know this is too little for a masternode but is there any 100% secure and trustless way to use some masternode-management service?


Unfortunately not yet.  This feature should be a reality, I believe by next summer if all goes well.  My sister is also waiting for this feature as she isn't part of this community and is nervous about leaving her Dash with a trusted MN service.  But hang in there, it's coming and if you can do this, the interest may very well one day pay for your monthly expenses!  Just saying Smiley  That's what I hope for my sister, so she can retire early (fingers crossed)

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Buy pressure increases :
 


Dash in USD : $352,50
Dash in EUR : €295,04
Dash in BTC : 0.09600

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Too bad this thread was not in the +info webs list   Cheesy
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The Monero blockchain can NOT be verified with a pubkey.  A Monero Transaction Can be verified,  That is a BIG difference.  
Yes thanks for correction.

Why would you want to verify other's transactions? That is the entire point, that you shouldn't.

If the protocol and the encoding procedure is bug-free, then it's just as valid transaction even if it's masked. And we know the whole point of hash functions and public key cryptography is that you cant recreate the same data from different source, collision protection.

If that mechanism is sound, then who cares what the transaction is, nobody can steal your money and nobody even knows who and how much money they have. Only those that you do business with will.

That is the whole point. You don't need a public ledge, a rich list, and such. It's very privacy invasive.

It’s all based on trust: trust in the “hopium” than that the client you happen to be using actually faithfully implements the protocol; trust in the ‘experts’ that the chain is ok when either some rogue group says it isn’t or when your own client software says it isn’t; trust in developers that the code isn’t doing some mad corrupt leakage out to an address that nobody can see or audit; trust in a centralised encryption algorithm that it won't be sprung open with a can opener a few years down the line to reveal every transaction in history. (A 'viewkey' doesn't in the least change this fact by the way. All a viewkey is is a private key with read-only privilages, it isn't a substitute for a fully transparent chain).


Just as with Dash's hopium that the Masternode system won't be broken or abused in some way.
...etc...

Did you even READ what Toknormal said?  There is no "Hopium" as you can SEE everything done on the blockchain, you simply can't TRACE it.  The Inputs and outputs are clear, Dash mixes by creating exactly the same denominations and entering them in the block chain at the same time, input = output and thus with one round, an output has 3 possible inputs.  Do this once, you have the same amount of "mixing" as Monero has.  But there is a possibility that the Masternode, who only gets chosen 1:4500 times, is spying, so we allow for as many rounds of mixing as you care to do.  After 8 rounds of mixing, even if someone can spy with 80% of the masternodes, the likelihood of seeing where funds are is minuscule.  And that's basically for the paranoid, because Masternodes are well distributed and all over the world.

In Monero, you can not see the blockchain.  Inputs and outputs are obfuscated in a mess.  Which by the way, how do you know there is no key to unravel?  Dash does this with logic, not mathematical trickery.  Who can know if there is a key to unravel a "one way encryption"?  This part I may be ignorant on, but as I can't understand it, I don't trust it.  They already had their system cracked a couple of years ago, with all previous transactions exposed, how do we know that won't happen again?  Dash uses pure logic and statistics.  With that, you can keep a transparent blockchain that can be audited to make sure it is functioning properly, that no extra coins were somehow inserted that weren't part of the rewards produced, etc...  It also allows for functions where a transparent blockchain is desirable, such as charities that want to show how their funds are spent, or the Core team, who do not mix their funds, and clearly show how they are spending funds so we can see if they are trustworthy or not.  

And without the transparent blockchain, without this system of Masternodes, without the budget system, there could be no Evolution.  Evolution will be a completely decentralized yet easy to use system, like logging into your bank account, moving funds to different "accounts" and making payments as easily as Paypal.  ALL DECENTRALIZED!!!  No "3rd party service" which is what web wallets are, BTW, so know your funds are as at risk there as they are in an exchange.

Anyway, I hope this helps, if you still don't see the value, please stop shilling Monero here, you won't get anywhere with it with this audience.



There goes profitgen212 again with his big ifs'. The opaque monero blockchain can be trusted... IF the protocol and the encoding procedure is bug-free.... IF that mechanism is sound. Those are some major ifs.

But IF they are not? How do you know if the blockchain can't be audited? You can't know. You can keep your head in the sand though.

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Live stream of Dash conference:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8ExmIqRqOk
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the price is running real fast i hope it will reach 0.1 btc soon, and surely top 4 will be a struggle but a reality, we can make it,
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Preview of new Dash functionalities, to be implemented the coming months (revealed at the Dash conference) :

* global brokerage service (free bank transfers)
* integration into a host of new exchanges
* access to approx 20 new fiat currencies
* additional ATM manufacturer
* multistore discount application, integrated with some of the largest retailers
* healthcare usecase

Instantsend to be incorporated into almost all of them.

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Preview of new Dash functionalities, to be implemented the coming months (revealed at the Dash conference) :

* global brokerage service (free bank transfers)
* integration into a host of new exchanges
* access to approx 20 new fiat currencies
* additional ATM manufacturer
* multistore discount application, integrated with some of the largest retailers
* healthcare usecase

Instantsend to be incorporated into almost all of them.
That's an impressive list. Everything Dash needs to do to be successful, it is doing. Excellent speech by Ryan.

EDIT: Not to mention new integrations with Wirex and CEX.io...

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Preview of new Dash functionalities, to be implemented the coming months (revealed at the Dash conference) :

* global brokerage service (free bank transfers)
* integration into a host of new exchanges
* access to approx 20 new fiat currencies
* additional ATM manufacturer
* multistore discount application, integrated with some of the largest retailers
* healthcare usecase

Instantsend to be incorporated into almost all of them.
That's an impressive list. Everything Dash needs to do to be successful, it is doing. Excellent speech by Ryan.

EDIT: Not to mention new integrations with Wirex and CEX.io...

Yeah, Ryan gives excellent speeches .. very easy to listen to.

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