[ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency

[BossBee]

I think we will pass Litecoin in marketcap pretty soon as it seems to be stuck in a downward spiral, while Dash seems to be doing the exact opposite.
I know at least one troll that is not gonna like that, a very icey troll ... a very dull icey troll.

The jealous are possessed by a mad devil and a dull spirit at the same time.
- Johann Kaspar Lavater

Edit : you are now free to delete and repost your post again icey, i know you are thinking about it. Just remember :

I've never seen a guy so terrified on a forum in my life like icey is, poor thing. . . But on the other hand this community should feel honored to have such a passionate dedicated person pouring so much of their irreplaceable time into Dash. 

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[Diego24]

existing Masternode owners will sell and only big pockets will be able to afford buying them out and setting up their own Masternodes. According to this argument, the network will then become centralized around these wealthy players.[/size]

This argument can be used for every coin. Big money can buy all Bitcoin, Ethereum miners too.

[Diego24]

I might buy some Dash too

Shit, that means time to flee Dash 

[NibiruHybrid]

US Students Lead On-Campus Dash Promotion, Crowdfund Trip to London Conference

A pair of aspiring Dash developers from Iowa State University have successfully crowdfunded a trip to the Dash conference in London using Dash donations.

August Domanchuk and Jacob Hemmerich, two computer engineering students at Iowa State University with a passion for Dash, are in the process of starting a cryptocurrency student organization on campus and have already hosted several Dash events, including getting their whole dorm floor involved in Dash. They sought to attend the first Dash conference in London this weekend, but as university students with a limited budget, were unable to secure the funding for a transatlantic flight on such short notice. They then turned to the Dash community to help crowdfund their trip through cryptocurrency donations, promising to donate the proceeds to a computer science charity if they fell short of their goal.

Read more: https://www.dashforcenews.com/us-students-lead-campus-dash-promotion-crowdfund-trip-london-conference/

[profitgenerator212]

I never said that Dash itself is useless, I am just totally unsatisfied with it's privacy promises.

However it can't be worse than BTC or LTC for that matter, in fact in some aspects it's better. And it's relatively cheap.

So that is some potential value there. If Dash would integrate mandatory privacy like Monero did, then it could easily reach the value of ETH.

[BossBee]

I never said that Dash itself is useless, I am just totally unsatisfied with it's privacy promises.

However it can't be worse than BTC or LTC for that matter, in fact in some aspects it's better. And it's relatively cheap.

So that is some potential value there. If Dash would integrate mandatory privacy like Monero did, then it could easily reach the value of ETH.

Dash gives the option of private sending funds because it's anticipating future political attacks that WILL be conducted by governments against fully anonymous coins and the affect that will have on mass adoption. Zoom out on a Macro, political, social, and financial field while considering their interconnectedness and ask your self what will the climate of these sectors be like in 5, 10, 50 years and that's what the Dash devs and Evan have been doing since year one.
Dash plays chess while the majority of crypto is playing checkers and if you look at Dash and still classify it as an anon coin you're a checker a player. It shed the anon niche and dark name for loftier goals of Governance and scale ability which it now stands at the fore front of.

[aigeezer]

If Dash would integrate mandatory privacy like Monero did, then it could easily reach the value of ETH.

That's a curious viewpoint, since Monero itself (presently $96.56 at Coinmarketcap) did not reach the value of ETH ($288.53) despite having "mandatory privacy". Meanwhile, Dash ($340.27) has much higher US$ value than either, which suggests that the market is relatively comfortable with its present trajectory. Even if your view is based on market cap rather than coin value, Monero with its "mandatory privacy" is far below ETH so adding "mandatory privacy" to Dash would seem unlikely to propel it "to easily reach the value of ETH".

My own sense of "value" is not based on market cap fwiw, because market cap is an abstraction that tells me nothing about which goods and services I can buy with the coins in my wallet.

Either way, I'll stick with Dash over the other two - ymmv, which is fine, but I don't understand why you would want to come to the Dash thread and suggest that the coin become something other than Dash, especially something of lower value.

[excellence]

Was this an ICO or a mineable currency?

[MasterMined710]

Dash Conference in Venezuela Draws Over Double Projected Attendees

The first in a series of Dash conferences in Venezuela received over double the expected attendees, as over a thousand have registered for the rest of the conferences.

This year, a series of 12 conferences in Venezuela was funded by the masternode network, scheduled to take place every month in Caracas. The first conference took place this week, and over twice the projected number of attendees came. Eugenia Alcalá Sucre, Dash Caracas lead and organizer of the conference, was very impressed with the turnout:

https://www.dashforcenews.com/dash-conference-in-venezuela-draws-over-double-projected-attendees/

[Lebubar]

I never said that Dash itself is useless, I am just totally unsatisfied with it's privacy promises.

However it can't be worse than BTC or LTC for that matter, in fact in some aspects it's better. And it's relatively cheap.

So that is some potential value there. If Dash would integrate mandatory privacy like Monero did, then it could easily reach the value of ETH.

Also to mention that Monero made their privacy model sacrificing some other aspects:  (bringing problems that already have BTC, but without nobody using it ):
-Scaling. During the recent xmr pump the blocks were nearly full already with much less TX/day than btc. (and tx accumulation in mempool)
-Fee. Did you saw that monero have the highest average fee per transactions?

[WastedLTC]

Was this an ICO or a mineable currency?

mineable and still mineable...   way before the days of ICOs

[profitgenerator212]

If Dash would integrate mandatory privacy like Monero did, then it could easily reach the value of ETH.

That's a curious viewpoint, since Monero itself (presently $96.56 at Coinmarketcap) did not reach the value of ETH ($288.53) despite having "mandatory privacy". Meanwhile, Dash ($340.27) has much higher US$ value than either, which suggests that the market is relatively comfortable with its present trajectory. Even if your view is based on market cap rather than coin value, Monero with its "mandatory privacy" is far below ETH so adding "mandatory privacy" to Dash would seem unlikely to propel it "to easily reach the value of ETH".

Monero doesn't have the community size but it has the privacy.

Dash has the community size but it doesnt have privacy, but it is at least decentralized (if this masternode thing would sort itself out eventually) and well organized.

ETH is neither private nor decentralized and it's almost to say pretty unprofessionally organized especially in the DAO fiasco, the ETH Foundation has overwhelming influence and I don't think that is good for a project of that magnitude.

-Fee. Did you saw that monero have the highest average fee per transactions?

I guess privacy has it's own price too.

[HomoHenning]

it was a long time ago since I have informed myself about the current dev status. does anybody know it? when is the evolution release?

https://github.com/dashpay/dash-roadmap

thank you! It seems I had a six senth for this:

DashPay Wallet Alpha (September 2017)

should be announced soon or?

[K~Ehleyr]

I really don't understand why people keep claiming that Dash isn't private or "isn't as private as XY coin".  Dash's privacy so far has not been broken.  What better can you ask for??  No, PrivateSend isn't compulsory and, quite frankly, if it were, Dash would suddenly render itself useless to many real world transactions where users actually want or need to prove their transactions.  Fully private/hidden/buried/appearing only as a dream is great for some users, but that's one use-case that only appeals to one subset of users.  By having optional privacy, Dash is useful for SO MUCH MORE!!!!!!!!!  Not to mention that the Dash blockchain is fully auditable, which is essential for long term value and large scale adoption.  A currency built on a non-transparent blockchain is, in monetary terms, equivalent to magic beans.

Maybe some people don't like how Dash does privacy.  That's fine, go use some other coin.  Choice is a wonderful thing.  But please stop saying Dash isn't private or has weak privacy, unless you can fucking prove it.  Mathematically and empirically, not anecdotally or hypothetically.

[qwizzie]

it was a long time ago since I have informed myself about the current dev status. does anybody know it? when is the evolution release?

https://github.com/dashpay/dash-roadmap

thank you! It seems I had a six senth for this:

DashPay Wallet Alpha (September 2017)

should be announced soon or?

yeah, should be soon .. within 10 days i guess.

[afbitcoins]

If Dash would integrate mandatory privacy like Monero did, then it could easily reach the value of ETH.

That's a curious viewpoint, since Monero itself (presently $96.56 at Coinmarketcap) did not reach the value of ETH ($288.53) despite having "mandatory privacy". Meanwhile, Dash ($340.27) has much higher US$ value than either, which suggests that the market is relatively comfortable with its present trajectory. Even if your view is based on market cap rather than coin value, Monero with its "mandatory privacy" is far below ETH so adding "mandatory privacy" to Dash would seem unlikely to propel it "to easily reach the value of ETH".

Monero doesn't have the community size but it has the privacy.

Dash has the community size but it doesnt have privacy, but it is at least decentralized (if this masternode thing would sort itself out eventually) and well organized.

ETH is neither private nor decentralized and it's almost to say pretty unprofessionally organized especially in the DAO fiasco, the ETH Foundation has overwhelming influence and I don't think that is good for a project of that magnitude.

-Fee. Did you saw that monero have the highest average fee per transactions?

I guess privacy has it's own price too.

Not to mention slow transaction times, bloated blockchain, almost non existant official releases, not very many full nodes on the network, and of course the opaque blockchain in which you have to trust there is no bad actor stealthily minting coins they shouldn't. But apart from that. Hey at least Monero has a graphical UI these days. It took a while.

Litecoin is a test net for bitcoin core. Icetroll seems to think the ultimate aim of any coin should be implementing segwit. At least litecoin has that. Bitcoin cash doesn't. I wonder which side of the fork Satoshi would prefer? Personally I like bitcoin cash. But when you consider digital cash there is only Dash. When offchain transactions are the norm (in the segwit coins) is that because bitcoin scaled or because bankers took over? Hmm

Sorry some of that is aimed at Icebreaker not you.

There is a reason for the frosty atmosphere around here which I think might be partly to blame for the lack of engagement when you first started posting on this thread. If you look through almost any of the pages in this thread you will find trolling, usually from Monero goons. Also known as Monerons . It really does feel that the Monero community try to lift their own coin by attacking rivals rather then working on their own tech. Often actual Monero devs have wasted their time posting on this very thread. Deep down I think it is based on insecurity, their faith in cryptology and their feelings of superiority are undermined by economic forces they don't comprehend.

[afbitcoins]

Frankly the way Icebreaker deletes his posts so as to repost to the top of the next page. I was going to say is 'pathetic'. But maybe it is just 'faintly embarrassing'. Whos to say? Anyway it is an interesting correlation when icebreaker posts usually Dash goes on a bull run. So thanks again Icey 

Dash MACD on weekly timescale has crossed bullishly



Looks likely further rises at least to the top of my pink channel, maybe beyond.

[JGCMiner]

it was a long time ago since I have informed myself about the current dev status. does anybody know it? when is the evolution release?

https://github.com/dashpay/dash-roadmap

thank you! It seems I had a six senth for this:

DashPay Wallet Alpha (September 2017)

should be announced soon or?

It was already announced:
https://www.dashforcenews.com/dash-copay-multisig-wallet-first-step-evolution-heads-alpha-testing/

As I understand it is currently a closed alpha. That will likely change as things move forward.

[Majormax]

.....Often actual Monero devs have wasted their time posting on this very thread. Deep down I think it is based on insecurity, their faith in cryptology and their feelings of superiority are undermined by economic forces they don't comprehend.

The fundamentals and code of Monero are addressing important issues, and its proponents have many good points. However none of us can predict, with any certainty, precisely which properties are going to be required in the cryptocurrency/ies which may attain widespread global adoption.

More privacy always comes at the price of less transparency. I would guess a mixture of both would be desirable, with a large degree of flexibility of choice by the user.

Economic forces contain many unknowns, so it would be wise to remain agnostic as the ecosystem develops.

[toknormal]

I never said that Dash itself is useless, I am just totally unsatisfied with it's privacy promises.

Optimally Implementing Privacy in a High Value Digital Asset as Distinct from a Low Value Transacting Platform

It isn't the job of a monetary asset to facilitate "hidden" transactions because that asset will be traded in a myriad of environments, each of which depend on maximum public consensus as to its veracity. Case in point = encrypted blockchains. Most of their transaction volume takes place on trusted platforms where identity verification is required and where those platforms provide the 'privacy'. Meanwhile, the encrypted blockchain itself is about as verifiable as a highway through a shattered windscreen at 70 miles an hour.

It is, however, the job of a monetary asset to be fungible which means that one unit of its supply should be as indistinguishable as possible from any other unit from viewpoint of both keyholders and non-keyholders alike. That is Dash's priority and that is where it excels because it's been able to optimise fungibility against the background of a transparent blockchain.

Privacy in the Native Environment

Now lets consider "privacy", even if you want to use the Dash native asset platform as the transacting environment.

Satoshi already did most of the work by breaking the statutory association between the asset and a legal entity. He created bitcoin as a bearer token where nobody could know who was transacting despite being able to see, verify and endorse the veracity of those transactions. However, with recourse to off-chain knowledge it may be possible to infer information about keyholders identities of nearby addresses which mitigates fungibility.

What Dash does is to impose a cash drawer archetype on the blockchain to continuously restore fungibility without recourse to transparency or delinking of sequential addresses (which would eventually kill the public authenticity of the blockchain stone dead). That has the effect of eliminating the use of off-chain knowledge in combination with on-chain address patterns to discover the identities of keyholders.

There's your privacy. Perfected for a high value digital asset. Transparent. Free from toxic encryption and decoupled from the priority of keeping address balances visible to maximise public consensus as to their authenticity and consequent value. It's also decentralised because each transaction is treated on a case by case basis whereby it receives an arbitrary allocation of mixing sources as opposed to a single, centralised encryption algorithm. Users and holders therefore enjoy increased protection with increasing usage because any attack vector:

A. requires off-chain information
B. is limited to a single transaction, not the whole network

Where's the Value ?

If all you want is a valueless, hidden transacting environment, stick with SSL. It has a better track record than encrypted blockchains of not blowing up and also has far more adoption.

If, on the other hand, you want to own a digital asset of high value and mobility, that can be held, traded, publicly observed and verified with ultimate privacy then you need transparent fungibility which is what Dash has aspired to from the very first day of its conception.