[ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency

[qwizzie]

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Our cryptocurrency is called Dash, there is actually another cryptocurrency (using CryptoNote technology) that is called Dashcoin (DSH).
To avoid misunderstandings we recommend using the name Dash and not Dashcoin, when talking about our cryptocurrency.
  

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[NibiruHybrid]

Trustlessness Is Effectively a Myth

One of the key “blockchain buzzwords” is “trustless.” For many, the entire point of using a blockchain-based digital currency was to eliminate the need to trust actors with control over your wealth and how it may be used. It’s a noble goal, for sure, and one that I support wholeheartedly. However, at the end of the day, true trustlessness doesn’t really exist, even (especially?) in the world of peer-to-peer digital currency.

A truly trustless life does not exist

While the concept of trustlessness holds true, its practice in purity remains elusive. Even with a completely open source peer-to-peer digital currency, you have to trust developers to create an airtight system, and you probably have to trust someone else’s review of the code for you (since it’s unrealistic to think each and every user will be able to do this themselves). You have to trust developers to maintain their previous standards, and trust reviewers to quickly let you know if any of that changes. Wallets, merchant services, exchanges, and any number of other services in the greater ecosystem of a cryptocurrency upon which we rely, all require an element of trust, even if that amounts merely to trusting someone else to tell you they’re trustless. A significant degree of trust is simply inescapable.

Read more: https://www.dashforcenews.com/trustlessness-effectively-myth/

[iCEBREAKER]

Dash Foundation member and Masternode "investor" (*cough* Howey test *cough*) getting antsy over the lack of progress on fixing InstantSend:

Roadmap dates already innacurate?
https://www.dash.org/forum/threads/roadmap-dates-already-innacurate.17189/

So, here we are in October with silence from the Core team. The roadmap was only just updated with dates, which I was holding the team to and thought to be accurate...why is communication and holding to a timeline so difficult for the core team? I am not just talking about this instance, I have been around since 2014.....

Anyone have any updates to where each of the deliverable's below are, there was no information from the conference about any of the below?? did I miss some delay communication?? Should I just reset my expectations that this will be delivered sometime 2018? @Ryan Taylor @UdjinM6 @kot

DashPay Wallet Alpha (September 2017)

    Dash version of CoPay, pre-Evolution functions, on test-net
    Will lead to full Evolution wallet (not merely a web wallet)
    DashCore 12.2 Release (September 2017)
    2MB block size increase, activation in November 2017
    2MB / 5MB block research documentation
    Launch of a read-only/view-only portal for project documentation which will be open to the entire community (to ensure transparency)


Edit: And before people start with the "I would rather have it done properly and wait longer" message, we are paying the Core team to run a multi billion dollar organisation...if you release dates stick to them or communicate accordingly with your board(MNs)/investors.

He's also very upset about the lies and cover-up from the highly compensated full-time "employees" at Dash HQ (*cough* Howey test *cough*).

Stealth923's thread makes it crystal clear that

1. People who purchase Masternodes consider them an investment and themselves investors
2. Dash Masternode investors expect the centralized, all-powerful 'Spork' backdoor key possessing Core Team to mange their investment
3. Dash Masternode investors consider the paid Core Team to be their employees

Those considerations trigger the Howey Test by establishing that Dash is a de facto unregistered security/investment product.

The thread continues:

I am okay with delays but I am not okay with the lack of updates / feedback. I get the whole secrecy / first-mover-advantage thing, but the prolonged absence of news is very disconcerting. In fact, I was thinking, maybe we should designate a day in October where we de-fund Core for 24 hours, just to send them a message.

LMFAO.  Great idea, send Evan home for a day without pay and put a note of Performance Review in his personnel file.

I agree with @GrandMasterDash - a classic example, the wording of the conference was "major integrations announcements"....there wasn't a single announcement, rather vague and ambiguous talk for literally 15 seconds about whats in the pipeline which is signed, but could finish implementation in 6+ months time/be cancelled for all we know. I get the lack of hype, but there needs to be a happy medium rather than just silence and acting like you work for the CIA....

I really hope that a communication coordinator is hired and or Ogilvy sorts their shit out with brand communication, messaging and learning how to professionally SET EXPECTATIONS, because after 3 years it hasnt gotten any better, despite multiple promises from @Ryan Taylor and team. Learn to under promise and over deliver, not the other way around.

Based on this delay as @UdjinM6 has stated, has this also delayed the remainder of the roadmap? because if so, I am going to write off Evolution V1 until 2020+ in which we will most likely be surpassed by another competitor.

LMFAO.  What a clown fiesta.

Where is the InstantSend hotfix that was supposedly "completed and QA'D" over a month ago?  Did it actually exist or was that just hand-waving and more deceptive Dash lies?

Where is the 12.2 testnet?  Dash has no hope of getting InstantSend fixed before the holiday shopping season if testing hasn't even started yet. 

[tungfa]

Android Dash Wallet v5.14.5 is out !
Please Update
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=hashengineering.darkcoin.wallet&hl=en

Release Notes:
https://github.com/HashEngineering/dash-wallet/releases/tag/v5.14.5h

 

[Diego24]

I AM AN IDIOT

Tell us something whe didn't know yet.

[qwizzie]

Android Dash Wallet v5.14.5 is out !
Please Update
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=hashengineering.darkcoin.wallet&hl=en

Release Notes:
https://github.com/HashEngineering/dash-wallet/releases/tag/v5.14.5h

 

github link not working ?

[hush]

Dash is keep on advancing constantly if look at the previous few months collectively a very interesting scenario appears out of all these things. Dash is providing good and safe alternative space to those seeking peace of mind and same time want make something from cryptocurrencies.

[MasterMined710]

Dash Funds STEM Education Program With Teachers Paid in Dash

The Dash network has funded a program to conduct STEM education to elementary school children, including paying teachers in Dash.

Dubbed Bit-By-Bit, the project seeks to educate children in elementary school children in science, technology, engineering, and math (STEM), in order to increase the numbers of students pursuing a career in those fields. Additionally, in order to build awareness for Dash and grow the local Dash economy, mentors will be paid in Dash directly. The proposal passed 736 Yes/144 No/35 Abstain and was funded.

The program will help both educate children and build the Dash economy

According to the proposal, the Bit-By-Bit foundation aims to provide an additional source of STEM education for children from as early as possible up through university age:
https://www.dashforcenews.com/dash-funds-stem-education-program-teachers-paid-dash/

[MasterMined710]

Dash proposals that are focused on business sectors for growth

One benefit of Dash Treasury proposal funding is that multiple groups can work on similar projects at the same time. Business development happens in many ways by many people with successful projects helping Dash to grow. There are a number of industry focused business development efforts currently going on funded by the Dash treasury.

Legal Cannabis
The area with the most current funding is the legal cannabis market.  The proposals have been covered in a previous article.  Alt36 and CannTrade have major projects funded to bring Dash to the over 8,000 retail stores and the business to business market in the fast growing industry.

The potential for the growth in Dash transaction volume is “mind-blowing” the industry is estimated to have sales of $20 Billion / year in a few years.  Each 1% of that is $200 million a year in trading volume.

The technology being developed by these proposals is not just limited to the cannabis industry.  There will be a “full stack” suite of  retail technology that over time will be able to be focused on other business sectors.

Alt36 is a payments company that is developing:
https://www.dashforcenews.com/dash-proposals-focused-business-sectors-growth/

[ColdZerk]

Now is the moment when you need to enter the market, Dash created another drawdown for entry, which is not a sin to take advantage of. Yes DASH is the tool that most likely makes it possible to earn with relatively little risk.

[qwizzie]

I took a quick peek in the 12.2 release notes (WIP) and i noticed these two :

* ff30aed68 : Align with btc 0.12 (#1409)
* DIP0001 (2 MB block size hardfork)

Icey is not gonna like that !! but then again Icey does not seem to like much these days  

[iCEBREAKER]

I took a quick peek in the 12.2 release notes (WIP) and i noticed these two :

* ff30aed68 : Align with btc 0.12 (#1409)
* DIP0001 (2 MB block size hardfork)

Icey is not gonna like that !! but then again Icey does not seem to like much these days  

"Align with btc 0.12?"  ROFLMAO that's three versions behind Bitcoin's latest release (0.15).  Do you know how many 0-day attack vectors have been fixed and features improved since then?  It's pathetic Dash still struggles to get 2mb blocks long after Bcash launched/failed and Bitcoin upgraded to >1mb segwit blocks.

Nice hack job on the 100kb tx size limit (lol Dash stole that shitty idea from Gavin's abandoned XT project).  Way to bake a technical-debt laden kludge into your cake just to avoid implementing a real quadratic hashing fix like Bitcoin did with segwit and Schnorr sigs.

[...]
Bitcoin is undergoing rapid evolution and Dash isn't keeping up, as it lacks nifty modern features like SEGWIT, etc.
[...]

Small update as you seem to be missing the latest info: SEGWIT is scheduled for Dash 12.2+

That was over a year ago.  Where is the 12.2 testnet with SEGWIT?

Is it still vaporware, like the InstantSend fix and Evolution?

[bigrcanada1]

Poor Icey....so concerned about our on going development.  Sad!

...we do love you passion for oversight.  What you don't know is some of us have a bit of a "inside" on whats coming down the pipe....and bro, your not going to be happy.  And that is why the core and everyone else is keeping tight lipped.  By the time you find out the scope of what is being worked on...you'll be happy you hung on to your bags of DASH. Because we know you have them.    So good try in trying to spread FUD and attempts at trying to influence the price(pitiful as it may be).

We are on to you Icey.  If I were you...I'd be less worried about the future of DASH and more worried about helping your neighbours in NAPA fight some fires.  That would be far more Noble pursuit.


PS...how is that proven broken privacy going for ya in Trollero? 

[K~Ehleyr]

Why the fuck would Dash want Segwit?  Dash is implementing on-chain scaling, in line with Satoshi's original vision.  With on-chain scaling there's no need for some crappy half-assed fudge like Segwit.

[iCEBREAKER]

What you don't know is some of us have a bit of a "inside" on whats coming down the pipe....

It is despicable and reprehensible for the centralized EVAN DUFFIELD DBA THE DASH FOUNDATION INC. entity to develop in secret a consensus-critical fintech project funded by its bag-holding investors.

It's even worse for a select few of those investors (like yourself) to received privileged "inside" information from the centralized DashCore entity.

I crushed/pressed/racked/bottled my first vintage BTW.  Knocked it out of the park with a Summer Muscat.  First wine I've ever had that really plays well with my spicy Thai/Chinese/Indian/TexMex cooking! 

Why the fuck would Dash want Segwit?  Dash is implementing on-chain scaling, in line with Satoshi's original vision.  With on-chain scaling there's no need for some crappy half-assed fudge like Segwit.

You'd have to ask dihydrogenmonoxide about that to be certain.  He's the one who said

you seem to be missing the latest info: SEGWIT is scheduled for Dash 12.2+

Are you going to hold him accountable, or just go back to gratefully swallowing without question anything and everything Team Duffield sees fit to drop into your mouth?

[MasterMined710]

Splawik’s Super Shares Trusted Masternode Shares Review

One of the major masternode share providers, Splawik’s Super Shares has a solid reputation in the community. It’s a flexible masternode shares service allowing those with fewer than 1,000 Dash to still retain recurring rewards for helping secure the network, and offers the best rates on returns in the business.
https://www.dashforcenews.com/splawiks-super-shares-trusted-masternode-shares-review/

[MasterMined710]

Is it still vaporware, like the InstantSend fix and Evolution?

LOL, it took around 3 years for your coins dev team to release a simple official GUI wallet and here you are commenting on the slightly delayed release of revolutionary blockchain tech, that's rich.

[iCEBREAKER]

SEGWIT is scheduled for Dash 12.2+

***1.25 YEARS LATER***

Is it still vaporware, like the InstantSend fix and Evolution?

LOL, it took around 3 years for your coins dev team to release a simple official GUI wallet and here you are commenting on the slightly delayed release of revolutionary blockchain tech, that's rich.

Your deflection via change of topic to accusation of hypocrisy indicates the answer to my question is 'Yes, segwit-on-Dash (promised >1 year ago) is still vaporware just like the InsantSend fix and Evolution.'

Dash's blockchain is far from "revolutionary."  It's based on an old, dangerously outdated version of Bitcoin (0.12 instead of the modern 0.15).  There is no RBF/segwit/Schnorr and Dash is still stuck on 1mb blocks long after Bcash and Bitcoin upgraded to >1mb.

Copying what Bcash already did is not "revolutionary."  ROFLOL tell me more about this "revolutionary blockchain tech" that still requires tx size to be limited to 100kb, lest a Masternode be crushed by unresolved technical debt in the form of quadratic hashing times. 

[bigrcanada1]

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Icey....we love playing in the sand box with you...but please.  Behave.  Your dev is the most useless sack of shit out there you know it.  The fact that you are wanting people to believe that Trollero having a couple of half baked programmers will match what DASH is working over the next year with $2 million/month in resources and numerous full time programmers makes us all firmly believe your a large DASH whale holder.   No one...and I mean no one can be that stupid.  And I have a suspicion that your an intelligent individual. 

 

[iCEBREAKER]

The fact that you are wanting people to believe that Trollero having a couple of half baked programmers will match what DASH is working over the next year with $2 million/month in resources and numerous full time programmers makes us all firmly believe your a large DASH whale holder.   No one...and I mean no one can be that stupid. 

How great Dash supposedly is going to be 5 years from now will become a permanent vaporware pipe dream if you keep failing to handle the NOW situations. You can't keep delaying because it's not perfect. Yet. Still. Again.

There's always something. You can't let every little thing be an excuse to refactor the whole plan. Again. I know re-doing it later can be a pain, but this isn't the tiny project it was 3 years ago. And no doubt, there were good ideas and good reasons.

But, it still leaves you with the problem that your CURRENT product is a fucking disaster.

Sometimes you simply have to follow through with a plan, any plan, even if you know there's a better way; simply to do something, anything at all.

When it was future-looking and making progress, that was forgivable.

But, now... It's even more future-looking, and the main feature is currently disabled... Mixing change issue has a PLAN to be fixed, but it was never implemented. DASH has basically become litecoin with two kinds of mining, and the "leaders" think that the problem is not that their heads are in the clouds, but that they need to get even higher...

It's like watching democrats slap each other on the back: "The problem is not that we're unforgivably retarded and evil, the problem is that we're still not retarded and evil enough!"

You've got to deal with reality, not talk about how great its going to be someday in the distant future.

A day which will never come if you don't deal with reality right now.

Frankly, Ryan's speeches make me roll my eyes. And, it's not because I dislike him, or think he's a dick, or holding a grudge for how he backstabbed Solar and myself the same way he's doing it to yet another project in of the same sort. It's because I've learned to call BS on heady, bloviating, "our vaporware is the best vaporware" crap ages ago. It might impress those with no experience, but it's a red flag to anyone who's been around the block a few times. If you've run any business for more than 15 minutes, you've heard this crap before and it's a warning sign if ever there was one.