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you bought some blackcoin right before it exploded in value

uhm no. and what does it have to do with darkcoin??? how would that subject be related to darkcoins unfair distribution and insta-mine issue???
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I believe this coin has one of the fairest distributions ever, but even if it is not, who cares?
uhm no. it doesnt. 50% of the coins in circulation are insta-mined.
oh and ALOT of people care about unfair distribution.

100% of blackcoin was instamined in the first six days (only 1% more coins per year after the first six days). I always wondered by people care with Darkcoin and not Blackcoin.
They are trolls, it's that simple. They are mad that they didn't see the opportunity early on and come here to whine about it. If you start to succeed, envious people will come out of every imaginable crevice to detract from that success.

I don't think the concern is about who did or didn't make early gains - the concern is, why has the price been stuck in a trading range of 15-20 for weeks, despite clear, public progress toward full release of Darksend and other features.
To dismiss that concern as "FUD", "trolls" and impatience is really not the best way to address legitimate concerns.
People are looking for answers and clarity on the market trajectory of this coin. It's only in that context that instamining has come up as a possible explanation.
I think AlexGR and others have provided reasonable theories - that's the way to go, not dismissing those concerns. One theory is that it's possible that future success has already been fully priced in - but that's hard to believe.
Guys, when almost half of the entire 1st years worth of mining is created by a couple of people in the first 24 hours and you don't fix it by relaunching or airdropping to others, THIS PRICE ACTION IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU WILL GET.  All those who whined that airdropping would hurt the price of the coin..... well wake up.  The 10% instamining is hurting the price of the coin!  It's not rocket science people.  Supply and demand.  And when a few guys have 1000X the amount of Darkcoin that everyone else has, it will make it very hard for that coin to move higher and stay higher even with increased adoption.  Simple Econ 101.

Instamined darkcoin worth of almost 3000 BTC will be gone pretty soon with this intense trading.
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Each DARKCOIN wallet comes with an adress from which you can receive and send Blackcoins instantly to anyone in the world.

Really??? LOL!
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April 19, 2014, 08:36:04 PM
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Bclaw fully agree let's keep the simple D with a bar. Clear simple and easy to write on paper etc
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April 19, 2014, 08:38:03 PM
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People renting out their x11 rigs to mine quebec coin

https://www.miningrigrentals.com/rigs/x11

Don't worry, I take care of Darkcoin hash rate  Wink
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April 19, 2014, 08:41:06 PM
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Community:
1: This coin have a great future!
2: Almost all crypto coins are insta mined or premined!
3: Don´t feed trolls! Plz don´t feed trolls.
4: i sold around 600 BTC at 2$ each years ago... and i thought was a great deal.
5: This is all new.
6: We have a good dev team ( DRK ). Plz keep the good work.


"darkcoins unfair distribution"  << Life is unfair, move on and stop crying!


Conf IMO you don`t need to add nothing more, your exp and the history shows everything.
DRK has a great future and the only different direction of DRK could be better future than good.
Thats ALL....
Trolls will be always trolls, ppl ask yourself a question: Do you want to think you did a great deal selling DRK @ 2$ too? Hehe, or meaby is it  better to buy pizza for 10000 BTC he? Do the lessons of history. DRK is better than BTC because of its features, with time it will evaluate and gain popularity. Just w8 and look.
Have a vision and have a clear direction where DRK is aiming.
Eduffield you do THE GREAT WORK for all of us - I`m proud of having you as a dev, really! Tonight I`ll cheers for you Smiley
Happy easter for all.

BE SMART, USE DASH ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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April 19, 2014, 08:42:01 PM
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People renting out their x11 rigs to mine quebec coin

https://www.miningrigrentals.com/rigs/x11

Don't worry, I take care of Darkcoin hash rate  Wink

OMG!

What if Quebec coin implements DarkSend? You totally can't miss mining over there for the next 48 hours.

It's a once in a life-time, never to be repeated, unmissable, kick-yourself if you don't do it moment.

Like I said, I'll take care of Darkcoin network for a few days.

When I was 3, my wish was to one day be a janitor; this is my chance.
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Since this is the only cryptocurrency having this feature now, those people can be taken for granted.

Not necessarily. Most of the clients - even those who have very unique/rare/special requirements - need to be found the the service, not the other way around.

I think DarkSend should be promoted as a professional feature. Not a star wars kind of "dark side".
You want to get involved in a professional crypto business? -> You need the ability to make anonymous transfers, both for the company's own and for your client's safety/benefit.
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People renting out their x11 rigs to mine quebec coin

https://www.miningrigrentals.com/rigs/x11

Don't worry, I take care of Darkcoin hash rate  Wink

OMG!

What if Quebec coin implements DarkSend? You totally can't miss mining over there for the next 48 hours.

It's a once in a life-time, never to be repeated, unmissable, kick-yourself if you don't do it moment.

Like I said, I'll take care of Darkcoin network for a few days.

When I was 3, my wish was to one day be a janitor; this is my chance.
Damn, might have to whore out my rigs there too...  Cool

edit: screw that, you basically have to give them control of your rig and do all your admin / rig control through them. Ugh.
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Since this is the only cryptocurrency having this feature now, those people can be taken for granted.

Not necessarily. Most of the clients - even those who have very unique/rare/special requirements - need to be found the the service, not the other way around.

I think DarkSend should be promoted as a professional feature. Not a star wars kind of "dark side".
You want to get involved in a professional crypto business? -> You need the ability to make anonymous transfers, both for the company's own and for your client's safety/benefit.

While I agree, I think there is a sense of realism that the big early adopters might just be buying things that carry jail terms and a DarkSend type feature might be of interest in that regard.

I gave up on the point of mainstream adoption and a family friendly approach about 300 pages back. I got to the point where a pragmatic middle ground in my mind was to wait until the market cap gets to $20m - $50m, then go suggest mom n' pop re-branding and re-positioning.
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April 19, 2014, 09:08:53 PM
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I would like to submit my branding proposal as well as my analysis of the current situation for DARKCOIN. I wanted to drop a word to the developpers but I will finally post on the thread.

CLICK http://silver47.eu/indexdark.html

Please note:

- The page displays great on IPAD but needs to be fixed for smartphones.
- I do not have outstanding photoshop skills. I'm a manager. Be kind !
- I'm still working on it. Say it's 80% complete.
- I'd like to start a wallet card production. The one you'll see on the page.

I saw a few users talking about DRK branding. I do not think the actual design looks so bad but I agree it should be somewhat refined. As a professional I wish I could help the Darkcoin startup to succeed.

Marketing is often reduced to publicity and advertising. Yet marketing is a much deeper and complex discipline. The first step for any group or brand is to refine their position as much as possible. This is called positioning. Positioning is kind of a social science where sociology and psychological data must be combined in order to find the best position and penetrate the public. Every detail has to be think about. No matter how good is a product in terms of quality/features/techniques, if the positionning is bad/wrong then your chances of success will be most likely compromised. You wouldn't your tree to grow at a slant.

Let's take an example with Dogecoin. Cute meme + Comic MS font + Humor and optimism. And wow. Dogecoin naturally found his public. Let's say mostly 15 - 25 years old, belonging to the internet generation and feeling at ease with everything related to computers. That was the perfect position. DOGECOIN developper Jackson Palmer just created something for people who looked like him and they are tens of millions out there. Dogecoin could really become a giant if no critical errors are made from the devs.

Now everyone supporting DRK need to remember Dogecoin do not have any special feature. The most advanced and performant do not necessarily win the game. That's the deal. This is exactly why department stores are full of junk. Bad for the environnement. Bad for health. But still much profit. Those companies are investing big money into marketing. They'll use the science of behaviorism. They'll end knowing the average man better than he knows himself. They will use the right word, the right color, the cutest mascot for your kids. Marketing strategies if unscrupulous are a powerful weapon of mass control. Contemporary marketing as used by big companies isn't much different from war propaganda.

Right now many altcoin startups are runned by good coders and informaticians. Even professionals for some of them. But when it comes to selling their products they lack so much of common sense. This is not meant to be contemptuous as it is hard to excel in every discipline. I am myself not very tech-friendly and never mined a single coin. I'm running windows 8 on my PC. Fair enough ! Enough talking and let's take a look at DARKCOIN.


What elements currently makes Darkcoin identity ?

First Darkcoin do have an unconventionnal and rebellious side. The currency name as well as anonymity feature plays a big role in that.

Secondly Darkcoin can be characterized by its low total coin supply. 22 millions of coins suggest that Darkcoin could become very high priced. This is for people like me who think that Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies will become mainstream sooner or later and change the world as we know it.

Refining the current position :

The current DARKCOIN position is interesting but need to be soften in order to convince more ordinary users to join the party. Darkcoin still look very obscure and DARK oriented. Let's open the COIN side a bit more. The visual identity of Darkcoin should respectively reflect those two sides. Being Dark and mainstream in the same time is what we should target, as we logically need to aim as large as possible.

Also, take in consideration the following : Having a sophisticated coin is great and we currently are on top of our own segment, but do not put all your hopes on this single aspect. This world is running fast and another more technically advanced coin could emerge. The risk of being outdated is very high. For example, anonymity could become a pretty common feature in the future. For this reason we have to stay welcoming and polyvalent.

From now, what public are we aiming ?

I think we mainly have two profiles of users here :

First, there's the one which is primarily caring about the anonymous aspect. No matter the reason, may be ideological (freedom activist, ...) or more practical (buying drugs, nuclear bombs, whatever). This is not our business. For them, let's say the use of Darkcoin is more related to the "DARK" part.

Since this is the only cryptocurrency having this feature now, those people can be taken for granted.
 
Secondly, there is the one which are not caring that much about privacy but will look at Darksend as a good feature. These people can be the typical users of most of the cryptos out there. For those ones, we have to attract them with a good packaging. There's no secret. We have to look the best and show a lot of activity. From this point of view we must compete with the other regular altcoins in the crypto-scene.

To summarize what have been said above :

- The "DARK SIDE" is naturally part of our identity. Yet we do not know how long anonymity will be an exclusive feature to Darkcoin.
- Darkcoin must remain welcoming and attractive to everyone.
- Being expensive will lead Darkcoin to become a store of value and a medium for high priced transactions.


This is for the basis of our position. Now the design part need to be made in accordance.


LOGO

I think the current D symbol is genuine. The oblique bar is here to remind us that DARKCOIN remains unconventionnal. I suggest keeping the D with the slant bar as a symbol and as a logo.

We have to distinguish the logo from illustrations and artwork. Bitcoin itself do have many variations. We have no obligation to stick on a single coin model. But let's make the symbol clear. The D is the perfect symbol for a real world currency. This should definitely not look to fancy IMHO but suggesting a strong and solid currency.

COLOR THEME.

I suggest switching to a different color combination. I chose dark tones (mostly black) + metallic GOLD.

Black for the DARK side. No further explanations needed here.
GOLD for the expensive side. DRK being also a store of value.
I opted for a clean, corporate looking identity. Because it is a currency, and ultimately an expensive one. So far this kind of visual identity is not used by any competitor. This is an unique segment. Darkcoin can be classy and secret at the same time. I bet on this position.

If you want a currency which cost 1000$/unit, then better start to give it a more expensive look. Suggesting a value, even if not real yet, is having the work half done. We definitely do not want to looks like a casino chip (I'm not saying this is currently the case) or looking very fanciful like I saw in the design contest.

This is basically all I wanted to say to the community and I really hope this will make it.
I currently hold only 800DRK. But I'm convinced this coin can grow x 1000. Let's make the right choices !

My adress if you feel generous XgtB7p19sByoGbX19Mp8bM859W8JBk26SJ. As it took me my week-end to set all the things up !

It's really nice to be here. P2P projects really are a unique experience.
Stay in touch.
I love your design man! The text needs checking through though (spelling errors etc), but I'm sure you've just done that as a design concept.

Looks great Smiley


Any posts from me that were posted in Russian were NOT from me. A cykablyat obtained my forum login details when they were leaked, I was inactive from the forum at that time.
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April 19, 2014, 09:16:56 PM
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I would like to submit my branding proposal as well as my analysis of the current situation for DARKCOIN. I wanted to drop a word to the developpers but I will finally post on the thread.

CLICK http://silver47.eu/indexdark.html

Please note:

- The page displays great on IPAD but needs to be fixed for smartphones.
- I do not have outstanding photoshop skills. I'm a manager. Be kind !
- I'm still working on it. Say it's 80% complete.
- I'd like to start a wallet card production. The one you'll see on the page.

I saw a few users talking about DRK branding. I do not think the actual design looks so bad but I agree it should be somewhat refined. As a professional I wish I could help the Darkcoin startup to succeed.

Marketing is often reduced to publicity and advertising. Yet marketing is a much deeper and complex discipline. The first step for any group or brand is to refine their position as much as possible. This is called positioning. Positioning is kind of a social science where sociology and psychological data must be combined in order to find the best position and penetrate the public. Every detail has to be think about. No matter how good is a product in terms of quality/features/techniques, if the positionning is bad/wrong then your chances of success will be most likely compromised. You wouldn't your tree to grow at a slant.

Let's take an example with Dogecoin. Cute meme + Comic MS font + Humor and optimism. And wow. Dogecoin naturally found his public. Let's say mostly 15 - 25 years old, belonging to the internet generation and feeling at ease with everything related to computers. That was the perfect position. DOGECOIN developper Jackson Palmer just created something for people who looked like him and they are tens of millions out there. Dogecoin could really become a giant if no critical errors are made from the devs.

Now everyone supporting DRK need to remember Dogecoin do not have any special feature. The most advanced and performant do not necessarily win the game. That's the deal. This is exactly why department stores are full of junk. Bad for the environnement. Bad for health. But still much profit. Those companies are investing big money into marketing. They'll use the science of behaviorism. They'll end knowing the average man better than he knows himself. They will use the right word, the right color, the cutest mascot for your kids. Marketing strategies if unscrupulous are a powerful weapon of mass control. Contemporary marketing as used by big companies isn't much different from war propaganda.

Right now many altcoin startups are runned by good coders and informaticians. Even professionals for some of them. But when it comes to selling their products they lack so much of common sense. This is not meant to be contemptuous as it is hard to excel in every discipline. I am myself not very tech-friendly and never mined a single coin. I'm running windows 8 on my PC. Fair enough ! Enough talking and let's take a look at DARKCOIN.


What elements currently makes Darkcoin identity ?

First Darkcoin do have an unconventionnal and rebellious side. The currency name as well as anonymity feature plays a big role in that.

Secondly Darkcoin can be characterized by its low total coin supply. 22 millions of coins suggest that Darkcoin could become very high priced. This is for people like me who think that Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies will become mainstream sooner or later and change the world as we know it.

Refining the current position :

The current DARKCOIN position is interesting but need to be soften in order to convince more ordinary users to join the party. Darkcoin still look very obscure and DARK oriented. Let's open the COIN side a bit more. The visual identity of Darkcoin should respectively reflect those two sides. Being Dark and mainstream in the same time is what we should target, as we logically need to aim as large as possible.

Also, take in consideration the following : Having a sophisticated coin is great and we currently are on top of our own segment, but do not put all your hopes on this single aspect. This world is running fast and another more technically advanced coin could emerge. The risk of being outdated is very high. For example, anonymity could become a pretty common feature in the future. For this reason we have to stay welcoming and polyvalent.

From now, what public are we aiming ?

I think we mainly have two profiles of users here :

First, there's the one which is primarily caring about the anonymous aspect. No matter the reason, may be ideological (freedom activist, ...) or more practical (buying drugs, nuclear bombs, whatever). This is not our business. For them, let's say the use of Darkcoin is more related to the "DARK" part.

Since this is the only cryptocurrency having this feature now, those people can be taken for granted.
 
Secondly, there is the one which are not caring that much about privacy but will look at Darksend as a good feature. These people can be the typical users of most of the cryptos out there. For those ones, we have to attract them with a good packaging. There's no secret. We have to look the best and show a lot of activity. From this point of view we must compete with the other regular altcoins in the crypto-scene.

To summarize what have been said above :

- The "DARK SIDE" is naturally part of our identity. Yet we do not know how long anonymity will be an exclusive feature to Darkcoin.
- Darkcoin must remain welcoming and attractive to everyone.
- Being expensive will lead Darkcoin to become a store of value and a medium for high priced transactions.


This is for the basis of our position. Now the design part need to be made in accordance.


LOGO

I think the current D symbol is genuine. The oblique bar is here to remind us that DARKCOIN remains unconventionnal. I suggest keeping the D with the slant bar as a symbol and as a logo.

We have to distinguish the logo from illustrations and artwork. Bitcoin itself do have many variations. We have no obligation to stick on a single coin model. But let's make the symbol clear. The D is the perfect symbol for a real world currency. This should definitely not look to fancy IMHO but suggesting a strong and solid currency.

COLOR THEME.

I suggest switching to a different color combination. I chose dark tones (mostly black) + metallic GOLD.

Black for the DARK side. No further explanations needed here.
GOLD for the expensive side. DRK being also a store of value.
I opted for a clean, corporate looking identity. Because it is a currency, and ultimately an expensive one. So far this kind of visual identity is not used by any competitor. This is an unique segment. Darkcoin can be classy and secret at the same time. I bet on this position.

If you want a currency which cost 1000$/unit, then better start to give it a more expensive look. Suggesting a value, even if not real yet, is having the work half done. We definitely do not want to looks like a casino chip (I'm not saying this is currently the case) or looking very fanciful like I saw in the design contest.

This is basically all I wanted to say to the community and I really hope this will make it.
I currently hold only 800DRK. But I'm convinced this coin can grow x 1000. Let's make the right choices !

My adress if you feel generous XgtB7p19sByoGbX19Mp8bM859W8JBk26SJ. As it took me my week-end to set all the things up !

It's really nice to be here. P2P projects really are a unique experience.
Stay in touch.

I like it! (But queue BlackCoin holders complaining that it's too similar.)
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April 19, 2014, 09:48:18 PM
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Pressure brought by DogeCoin miners to adopt x11 has resulted in some research on x11 by the Doge Devs

http://www.reddit.com/r/dogecoin/comments/23fk2i/very_long_very_serious_development_summary_week/
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Maybe you're new around here? It was caused by a bug, here's the full story: https://www.darkcointalk.org/threads/the-birth-of-darkcoin.162/
I'm new around here, so thank you.
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People renting out their x11 rigs to mine quebec coin

https://www.miningrigrentals.com/rigs/x11

Don't worry, I take care of Darkcoin hash rate  Wink

OMG!

What if Quebec coin implements DarkSend? You totally can't miss mining over there for the next 48 hours.

It's a once in a life-time, never to be repeated, unmissable, kick-yourself if you don't do it moment.

Like I said, I'll take care of Darkcoin network for a few days.

When I was 3, my wish was to one day be a janitor; this is my chance.
Damn, might have to whore out my rigs there too...  Cool

edit: screw that, you basically have to give them control of your rig and do all your admin / rig control through them. Ugh.



https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=552561.msg6012726#msg6012726

Go make a ton of money, then come back and spend it all on DRK.

I'll take care of the DRK network.  Wink
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Last edit: April 20, 2014, 12:00:57 AM by louiseth1
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Dark.SuchPool.pw is now back up!

http://Dark.SuchPool.pw

You may want check your balances on the pool as the transaction table was badly altered. The stats on the pools may be incorrect, but most coins that should have went out during the affected period were effectively sent. We did our best to track the balances and keep them proper, but it seems some users got more payouts than they sould, and some got less.

The only period affected by these database issues is over a maximum of 24 hours, between April 17th and April 18th.

This is a bad situation for all of us and we would like to offer every affected miner deep apologies for all the inconvenients.
We weren't expecting such a fatal attack and are still amazed by how much this affected all our pools.

The SuchPool Team!

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April 19, 2014, 11:39:37 PM
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Evan, not sure if my message went through so posting it here. Here's an edit of the media release with some more information about price and supply. Hope it's okay...

http://pastebin.com/qD7MLXeN
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I think it is Kyle Hagan. not 100% though.
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Evan, not sure if my message went through so posting it here. Here's an edit of the media release with some more information about price and supply. Hope it's okay...

http://pastebin.com/qD7MLXeN

This sentence, "Masternodes host the Darksend network and the voluntary nodes will begin to receive incentive payments starting from the next release candidate.", could use a little rewording. I'd suggest something more along the lines of:

-The DarkSend network is hosted by Masternodes, and these voluntary nodes will begin to receive incentive payments starting from the next release candidate.

I'm sure it can be tweaked further. Also there is some inconsistency with DarkCoin vs Darkcoin, these little things are important for professionalism. Also, DarkSend or Darksend? I believe it should be DarkSend but I suppose that's up to Evan.

Thanks for your work! Smiley
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Evan, not sure if my message went through so posting it here. Here's an edit of the media release with some more information about price and supply. Hope it's okay...

http://pastebin.com/qD7MLXeN

This sentence, "Masternodes host the Darksend network and the voluntary nodes will begin to receive incentive payments starting from the next release candidate.", could use a little rewording. I'd suggest something more along the lines of:

-The DarkSend network is hosted by Masternodes, and these voluntary nodes will begin to receive incentive payments starting from the next release candidate.

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Maybe :

DarkSend uses special nodes named 'Masternodes', whose owners (will) receive incentive payments for their contribution to the network.

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April 20, 2014, 12:42:56 AM
 #14520

Yeah actually chopping off the bit about "next release candidate" is good. Not a bad idea to leave the voluntary wording in there though imo. If we're getting rid of the part about next RC then there's no need for the parentheses around (will).
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