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[coins101]

Just putting this out there in light of Limlims stepping back:

My background is in psychological operations with the US Army, which is um. ..well marketing, in a certain sense.

If it would be useful, I'm willing to take over (or at least contribute to) what he was doing in the interim until we find a pro marketing firm/individual.

Just PM me if I can be of any assistance.

Chuck out some suggestions and proposals mate so we can mull them over. Don't worry about getting anything wrong, you can't hope to compete with me on that!

Seriously the more ideas the better, preferably with some actual plan to implement them.

Off the top of my head:

• Have this thread locked to all but eduffield and internetape, because it's basically a goatfuck at this point.
• Move all conversation to darkcointalk forums.
• Stop putting every little thing to a community vote.  Consider community input carefully, but lead.
• Recruit "inner circle" to float ideas past before they're presented to the community.  Off the cuff comments or ideas from devs or anyone even loosely associated with the devs MUST be carefully vetted before going public from here on out.
• Contain official discussion pertaining "marketing and branding" either to a closed or heavily moderated thread on darkcointalk.  Stop discussing these things in public until they're better refined and thought out.  Too many cooks in the kitchen - good intentions all, but very few who know what they're talking about.
• Contain official discussion pertaining to major changes to the coin or anything tertiary (eg foundation, bounties) to a closed thread on darkcointalk.  Present ideas to the community only after thorough vetting.  Stop discussing these things in public until they're better refined and thought out.
• Designate specific individuals for specific tasks - stop crowd sourcing.  Nice idea in principle, chaos in practice.
• Three different types of information campaigning: white (we claim responsibility), gray (responsibility is ambiguous), black (make it appear as though someone else is responsible).  Each of these can be put to extensive use for this coin.  Leave it to your imagination, but this is one reason marketing must be a closed discussion.
• Identify target audiences, tailor marketing for each, create products, vet, disseminate.
• Stop kidding yourselves about how this coin will be used.  Without condoning or condemning, engage ALL potential target audiences.  Tailor marketing accordingly.
• STOP entertaining new ideas in regards to logos and branding.  The decision has been made.  Own it.  Get it off the goddamn table as the foremost discussion topic of discussion.

A military state ...

Basic corporate PR man.

As long as Darkcoin is not more widely known I don't see the benefit to "exile" ourselves on the dedicated forum. There are far worst threads here in term of content for other coins, and nobody is complaining.

First, it's plenty widely known.  Look at almost any thread on this forum related to "most promising alt-coins" questions and you'll see Darkcoin in every other response.

Second, if bitcointalk.org is meant to be the primary means of raising awareness of this coin, then it is doomed to death by myopia.

Everyday there are people (investors, miners) who don't know a thing about Darkcoin, but learn more and become interested in it by seeing that active thread on bitcointalk.org yes.

So continue using it for announcements to keep it bumped and funnel traffic to darkcointalk.

I agree with the sentiment, the more structured approach which I too have been thinking about, and the attitude to professionalism.

But because you didn't announce all this on darkcointalk first, that sort of says the full locking down and moving over is not on the cards just yet - yet, is the key word.

The marketing stuff, logo confirmation etc, that should shift over to darkcointalk, with cross links on posts.

IMO.

EDIT: I thought I read something along similar lines

Ok, I have an alternate idea.  Let's start a Darkcoin foundation.  The goal of the foundation would be to further darkcoin in all aspects (marketing, legal, charity, bounties etc.).  

To further the foundation's goals, let's try to persuade the major pools to voluntarily donate 0.1% of mining output to the foundation (this can come directly out of the fee they charge miners - if they charge a 1% fee, they can either tack on .1% or keep their fee at 1% and pocket 10% less than they do currently).  This would of course be COMPLETELY VOLUNTARY. In exchange the pool will be given special status on the main darkcoin website/subreddit/forum post etc.  Something simple like "Darkcoin Foundation donor" and a special little icon next to the pool name.  If we could get the major pools to agree we could generate some significant bounties for important causes, and most importantly it would be voluntary. Discuss.

That's fine by me, that's actually the same amount of money I proposed above but via donations. That would allow for us to pay for marketing costs, building the foundation, etc. Sounds great.

I'm also fine with that bcs it means a steady stream of coins with which we can do things properly.

As for creating the foundation, I'm also in favor, and have another proposal in terms of its functioning:

I propose to set the foundation, and have its annual and important 'voting' decisions performed in a proof-of-stake manner.
that means that bagholders will send a 0.000001DRK to wallet A or B or C based on their vote.
Each vote can represent a single hand, or a wallet (the amount of DRK it contains).
The script should obviously check that the coins in the wallet are not newly transferred so as to avoid double counting.

That's a neat idea. I think we could implement that for all Darkcoin decisions (why not into the client itself, it could just sign the inputs to prove the stake and post them to a website).

[Kai Proctor]

My 2 duffs on protecting Darkcoin / DarkSend IP:

Really Bad Idea.

Other than it being impossible to enforce, it also goes against the ideological foundation of distributed currencies. Keep it free & open, everyone wins, and we don't end up looking like the bad guy. In fact, trying something like that would likely be painting a big target on us for hacker & anti-authoritarian types.

With a dual licensing the source is open except for commercial use. I don't see the problem with that except for projects trying to make money off DarkSend (anti-authoritarian and capitalists ?)  .

[chompyZ]

With a dual licensing the source is open except for commercial use. I don't see the problem with that except for projects trying to make money off DarkSend (anti-authoritarian and capitalists ?)  .

I agree with LimLims and others here -

Really Bad Idea.
...it also goes against the ideological foundation of distributed currencies.

[tifozi]

The way to eliminate competition is by making the network unparalleled. Consider setting up multiple masternodes/darknodes if you can afford it (top wallet guys). If you don't know how to do it, someone can do that here on your behalf. You are only going to protect your own investment by making the network stronger. IMO there should be several hundred masternodes by now but we know what is happening with the coins at the moment 

[eltito]

I agree with the sentiment, the more structured approach which I too have been thinking about, and the attitude to professionalism.

But because you didn't announce all this on darkcointalk first, that sort of says the full locking down and moving over is not on the cards just yet - yet, is the key word.

Touche - not that anyone is on darkcointalk to read it...

I kid.  However, the effort to funnel traffic over there has not been strong enough.  Posting official announcements there was a decent start.  Locking this thread down would be better.  Change the OP to refer readers to darkcointalk (big red text at the very top of the post).  Same for the very last post on this thread.  Start new threads for announcements with no further activity from devs outside of the OP.  Prominent link to "Official" darkcointalk discussion thread in the OP.

[coins101]

added 4 more coins launching with x11, DGW or a combination

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=563075.new#new

Evan has officially reached The Fonz status

[thelonecrouton]

I can see how some here might not like the exact phrasing eltito has used, but nearly everything he's said is FUCKING SPOT ON.

Evan, pick six people, from here or wherever, that you trust, (get real world references etc, anyone offended by the request should be dismissed) and delegate what you need to delegate.

About the licencing thing, I agree that the best way forward is simply to SUCCEED, let the others drown in our wake, but as I said, the licencing is simple, free, and might help, so why not?

coins101's idea about working with other anoncoins was terrible in too many ways to mention.

We beat them, not join them.

[thelonecrouton]

The way to eliminate competition is by making the network unparalleled. Consider setting up multiple masternodes/darknodes if you can afford it (top wallet guys). If you don't know how to do it, someone can do that here on your behalf. You are only going to protect your own investment by making the network stronger. IMO there should be several hundred masternodes by now but we know what is happening with the coins at the moment 

Agree. Will be doing so as soon as I have 1000DRK.

[LimLims]

I can see how some here might not like the exact phrasing eltito has used, but nearly everything he's said is FUCKING SPOT ON.

+1

If eltito were to volunteer to be Darkcoin's PR guy, I'd vote for him.

[Dogeshop_eu]

Is mining X11  as much ram intensive as scrypt N ?

[Simcom]

added 4 more coins launching with x11, DGW or a combination

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=563075.new#new

Evan has officially reached The Fonz status

My personal favorite:

* RAP(e)COIN - DGW

Rapecoin... LOL.. 

[thelonecrouton]

Is mining X11  as much ram intensive as scrypt N ?

If you can mine anything else, you can mine DRK, and at half the power consumption.

If what you are asking is can the X11 algo (or chain of algos) be tweaked to exclude ASICs like scrypt-n, then the answer is yes. ANY software can be modified a million times faster than ASIC hardware can be designed and implemented. Litecoin could hard-fork and become ASIC resistant tomorrow, but they are too clueless to do so.

There will be no ASICs produced for X11.

Get on board now, scrypt is dead, and X11 uses half the power of scrypt-n.


I think I just persuaded myself to sell my VTC stash... 

[Kai Proctor]

Is mining X11  as much ram intensive as scrypt N ?

Short answer : no. 

[Dogeshop_eu]

I'm asking if my miner's ram ( 2GB )  would slow down the cards not allowing them achieving its max capacity
As scrypt mining is dead as you have said i'm considering Vertcoin or Darkcoin so I'm asking

[thelonecrouton]

I'm asking if my miner's ram ( 2GB )  would slow down the cards not allowing them achieving its max capacity
As scrypt mining is dead as you have said i'm considering Vertcoin or Darkcoin so I'm asking

If you mine with linux/BAMT/PIMP then 2GB RAM will be fine unless you have 290s and want to run insanely high thread counts. But with X11 you don't need huge TC, and you often get better results with much lower intensity, eg. I13 instead of I19.

And if you're running 290s you can afford another 2GB RAM stick anyway.

[Dogeshop_eu]

Thanks, I'm jumping on the board Do we have any profitablity mining calculator? etc

[coins101]

Is mining X11  as much ram intensive as scrypt N ?

If you can mine anything else, you can mine DRK, and at half the power consumption.

If what you are asking is can the X11 algo (or chain of algos) be tweaked to exclude ASICs like scrypt-n, then the answer is yes. ANY software can be modified a million times faster than ASIC hardware can be designed and implemented. Litecoin could hard-fork and become ASIC resistant tomorrow, but they are too clueless to do so.

There will be no ASICs produced for X11.

Get on board now, scrypt is dead, and X11 uses half the power of scrypt-n.


I think I just persuaded myself to sell my VTC stash... 

Didn't you read the Darkcoin third amendment?

No DRK holder shall be in possession of VTC.

Sell'em quick.

[thelonecrouton]

Thanks, I'm jumping on the board Do we have any profitablity mining calculator? etc

It's hard to do an accurate profit calculator as the block reward changes, and the diff changes with each block, often significantly.

But as a rough guide, I get about 10 DRK/day with 13Mh, averaged over the last two weeks.

[dime]

Is mining X11  as much ram intensive as scrypt N ?

If you can mine anything else, you can mine DRK, and at half the power consumption.

If what you are asking is can the X11 algo (or chain of algos) be tweaked to exclude ASICs like scrypt-n, then the answer is yes. ANY software can be modified a million times faster than ASIC hardware can be designed and implemented. Litecoin could hard-fork and become ASIC resistant tomorrow, but they are too clueless to do so.

There will be no ASICs produced for X11.

Get on board now, scrypt is dead, and X11 uses half the power of scrypt-n.


I think I just persuaded myself to sell my VTC stash... 

Let's not spread FUD..

The barriers to litecoin hardforking are the exact same as the barriers to darkcoin hardforking to be becoming asic resistant. And litecoin dev team is FAR FAR away from clueless. I own 0 ltc, and tons of drk, but even I know the ltc development team is far ahead of drk's solo dev.

There will be asics produced for X11. It's just a matter of time and Evan himself has already said that he doesn't see that as a bad thing and welcomes it.

I have no problem with the statement that scrypt is dead. It's surely dying, and rightfully so.

[thelonecrouton]

Is mining X11  as much ram intensive as scrypt N ?

If you can mine anything else, you can mine DRK, and at half the power consumption.

If what you are asking is can the X11 algo (or chain of algos) be tweaked to exclude ASICs like scrypt-n, then the answer is yes. ANY software can be modified a million times faster than ASIC hardware can be designed and implemented. Litecoin could hard-fork and become ASIC resistant tomorrow, but they are too clueless to do so.

There will be no ASICs produced for X11.

Get on board now, scrypt is dead, and X11 uses half the power of scrypt-n.


I think I just persuaded myself to sell my VTC stash... 

Didn't you read the Darkcoin third amendment?

No DRK holder shall be in possession of VTC.

Sell'em quick.

The VTC team have done a lot of things right, one of them being getting retailers on board, as eltito suggested. Someone needs to approach every retailer that accepts VTC and ask them to accept DRK as well. There's a handy list on the VTC reddit, and there ought to be a similar list on the DRK website etc.