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December 30, 2013, 04:16:37 AM
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at BTCGuild i get best payoff for my hasing power. not sure why, but it beats other pools.

good fee rate

I would disagree only on this one. I find the 3% fee disproportionately high to what the pool offers.
And the higher the hashrate you have the more disproportionate it is.
For someone who is making 1BTC a month that might be OK, but for people who mine 100BTC monthly I see no real reason why this service should cost them 3BTC.
Pool luck is irrelevant as it is in no way controlled by the owner, so please do not use it as a reason to justify the fee.

Does anyone know of any other btc mining pool that does pay for orphan blocks and transfer fees back to the miners?

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Only Deepbit (3% prop) and BitMinter (if you pay at least a 2.5% fee).

If you want the same features, BitMinter is the same fee (Orphans+Idle Warnings require a 2% "donation" on top of the 1% fee).  Slush is effectively higher fee (orphaned blocks + namecoins are worth much more than the 1% fee difference).  Leaving you with Eligius and GHash.io as your only alternatives if you don't want to deal with extremely small pools.


EDIT:  Forgot Deepbit doesn't pay transaction fees.

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December 30, 2013, 11:16:22 PM
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Anyone know if it is possible to get or calculate the PPLNS Pool Luck via the API?

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December 30, 2013, 11:31:02 PM
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at BTCGuild i get best payoff for my hasing power. not sure why, but it beats other pools.

good fee rate

I would disagree only on this one. I find the 3% fee disproportionately high to what the pool offers.
And the higher the hashrate you have the more disproportionate it is.
For someone who is making 1BTC a month that might be OK, but for people who mine 100BTC monthly I see no real reason why this service should cost them 3BTC.
Pool luck is irrelevant as it is in no way controlled by the owner, so please do not use it as a reason to justify the fee.

Does anyone know of any other btc mining pool that does pay for orphan blocks and transfer fees back to the miners?

Just asking.


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Only Deepbit (3% prop) and BitMinter (if you pay at least a 2.5% fee).

If you want the same features, BitMinter is the same fee (Orphans+Idle Warnings require a 2% "donation" on top of the 1% fee).  Slush is effectively higher fee (orphaned blocks + namecoins are worth much more than the 1% fee difference).  Leaving you with Eligius and GHash.io as your only alternatives if you don't want to deal with extremely small pools.


EDIT:  Forgot Deepbit doesn't pay transaction fees.

I don't think the main idea behind the 1.5% perk is to get paid for the orphaned block. If it was nobody would have paid the fee because for the last 1600 blocks there were only 3 orphaned. That's only 0.1875%
I know I don't pay it, because I am OK with waiting 120 confirmations for a new block.

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December 30, 2013, 11:33:48 PM
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Anyone know if it is possible to get or calculate the PPLNS Pool Luck via the API?


I spoke with eleuthria and the local math wizard organofcorti and they both confirmed there is no easy way to precisely confirm the pool luck, which is a deal braker for me.
I guess it is just a psychological barrier for me to join a pool, where I cannot verify one of the main factors that determine how much I earn.

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December 30, 2013, 11:54:01 PM
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They do chart it on the site.  I could try to snag the value from that but it would be easier through the API.

Anyone know if it is possible to get or calculate the PPLNS Pool Luck via the API?


I spoke with eleuthria and the local math wizard organofcorti and they both confirmed there is no easy way to precisely confirm the pool luck, which is a deal braker for me.
I guess it is just a psychological barrier for me to join a pool, where I cannot verify one of the main factors that determine how much I earn.


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December 31, 2013, 12:00:36 AM
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They do chart it on the site.  I could try to snag the value from that but it would be easier through the API.

Anyone know if it is possible to get or calculate the PPLNS Pool Luck via the API?


I spoke with eleuthria and the local math wizard organofcorti and they both confirmed there is no easy way to precisely confirm the pool luck, which is a deal braker for me.
I guess it is just a psychological barrier for me to join a pool, where I cannot verify one of the main factors that determine how much I earn.


I would love to see a page with proofs of work for each block. Then it would be easy to calculate luck.

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December 31, 2013, 01:29:07 AM
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Anyone know if it is possible to get or calculate the PPLNS Pool Luck via the API?


I spoke with eleuthria and the local math wizard organofcorti and they both confirmed there is no easy way to precisely confirm the pool luck, which is a deal braker for me.
I guess it is just a psychological barrier for me to join a pool, where I cannot verify one of the main factors that determine how much I earn.

It's impossible for any pool to be "above average" luck consistently.  If you're looking for the perfect pool with consistent better than average luck, good luck finding it, because it doesn't exist!

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December 31, 2013, 01:55:47 AM
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Anyone know if it is possible to get or calculate the PPLNS Pool Luck via the API?


I spoke with eleuthria and the local math wizard organofcorti and they both confirmed there is no easy way to precisely confirm the pool luck, which is a deal braker for me.
I guess it is just a psychological barrier for me to join a pool, where I cannot verify one of the main factors that determine how much I earn.


Ok, so a quick check of coinbase signatures shows that BTC Guild solved 3218 blocks since October 26th (the earliest date on the chart and the date from which I assume the average "luck" is being calculated).

The probability density of average luck: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=erlang+distribution+3218%2C+3218

which is clearly closely centred on 1.0, with little deviation.

The average "luck" from the chart is 103.24%. I'm assuming that this equates to 100/103.24 d1 shares  / network difficulty. If you calculate the CDF of this:

http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=CDF%5BErlangDistribution%5B3218%2C+3218%5D%2C+0.9686168%5D

you get 0.0364 - that is only 3.64% of the time would you get luck as good as (or better than) this. However, it's still not that unlikely and it's within a 95% confidence interval.

Edit: I know this doesn't address your main concern being that "luck" is not easy to check for yourself, I just thought you and others might be interested to know how likely/unlikely it was.

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December 31, 2013, 09:00:34 AM
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where I cannot verify one of the main factors that determine how much I earn would have earned if I were to have been mining at that pool at that time.
FTFY
Knowing past "luck" tells you nothing about future "luck".
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December 31, 2013, 01:03:26 PM
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Unable to connect as of this morning  Cry Whats going on ? Have emailed support also and no reply. Been mining a long time. I only have 10ghs but it all adds up in the end. There was a windows defender update but should not effect this. Have been running stable months with cgminer 3.7.2

Any help welcome.

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December 31, 2013, 01:29:39 PM
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Unable to connect as of this morning  Cry Whats going on ? Have emailed support also and no reply. Been mining a long time. I only have 10ghs but it all adds up in the end. There was a windows defender update but should not effect this. Have been running stable months with cgminer 3.7.2

Any help welcome.

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Working fine here (I finally got my jally...)

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December 31, 2013, 01:38:07 PM
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Can anybody remember the backup pool details from a few months back so I can give that a go. I used to have it as my failover.
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December 31, 2013, 01:51:57 PM
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where I cannot verify one of the main factors that determine how much I earn would have earned if I were to have been mining at that pool at that time.
FTFY
Knowing past "luck" tells you nothing about future "luck".

Nothing to fix. I wrote about luck in general, being a factor that determines income.

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December 31, 2013, 01:53:20 PM
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Can anybody remember the backup pool details from a few months back so I can give that a go. I used to have it as my failover.

PM sent.

Confirmed stratum.btcguild.com and eu-stratum.btcguild.com are showing dead.  I'm on the backup address.

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December 31, 2013, 01:55:26 PM
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Can anybody remember the backup pool details from a few months back so I can give that a go. I used to have it as my failover.

Ended up deleting cgminer 3.7.2 and re installing from backup zip. All works again now. Very odd as has been rock solid for a very long time. 2hrs lost mining though  Embarrassed uncertain if support sorted it or I did  Huh  
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December 31, 2013, 01:56:00 PM
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Can anybody remember the backup pool details from a few months back so I can give that a go. I used to have it as my failover.

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Confirmed stratum.btcguild.com and eu-stratum.btcguild.com are showing dead.  I'm on the backup address.

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Many thanks. will add back in to failover.
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December 31, 2013, 02:16:55 PM
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I also could use the backup address
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December 31, 2013, 02:40:22 PM
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Can anybody remember the backup pool details from a few months back so I can give that a go. I used to have it as my failover.

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Confirmed stratum.btcguild.com and eu-stratum.btcguild.com are showing dead.  I'm on the backup address.

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They were dead to me earlier, but they seem to work now.

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December 31, 2013, 04:55:40 PM
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Backend servers weren't affected by any outages, so unless you were starting up new hardware/restarting miners there shouldn't have been anything wrong.  If there was, it was not on the pool's end.  BTC Guild uses a frontend filtering server which is used for new connections, but once proven to be valid miners you are no longer connected to those servers.

I do see a drop in the bandwidth on both the EU and US frontend filtering servers this morning.  It may have been a DNS issue with cloudflare, or possibly an attack at the datacenter where those filters are run.  Neither server appears to have been the actual target of any attacks however (no massive flood of connections/bandwidth usage).

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December 31, 2013, 05:26:27 PM
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I spoke with eleuthria and the local math wizard organofcorti and they both confirmed there is no easy way to precisely confirm the pool luck, which is a deal braker for me.



Switch to PPS and you don't have to deal with luck. Period.

(My preferred way is to put 3/4 workers on PPLNS and 1/4 workers on PPS)
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