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January 15, 2014, 12:09:44 AM
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if we want to protect the network, miners should have a choice, eligius has 0 fees, ghash has 0 fees , btcguild has fees up to 7.5%

You do have a choice.  Choose between a 0 fee pool or a fee pool.

You do NOT have the right to tell a person what he should charge for a good or service.  You do have the right not to buy or use that good or service though.

Also Ghasheeo is not 0 fee.  Others are paying the fee for the freeloaders.  If I were a fee payer I would be irritated by their allowing freeloaders on my dime.  Of course the extra hash rate does lower the variance, that is important to many.  Still that is that pools choice.

I don't see how people using the market service and paying fees there has anything to do with the pool being 0 fee.
It's 2 different services after all. How hard is that to comprehend?

If you're purely connecting your hashing power to the pool, yes it is a 0 fee pool.  However, if you by GHS from their market, you pay a transaction fee on that market, then you pay per share your Gh/s generates as a maintenance fee for using their processing power.  So, in essence, some people are paying for their hashing at the pool and others are not. Currently, those that are using the cloud hashing are paying a fee of 4.55% for PPLNS compared to the 3% paid at BTC Guild.  I for one have no problem paying fees because someone has to pay to keep the servers going to process all the shares that we submit.  Below is a link to the fees ghash charges.

https://cex.io/maintenance
I am only referring to people who point their own equipment to Ghash.io by choice.
I also have no problems paying fees if they are reasonable - anything above 0.5% for a very large pool is unreasonable in my opinion as the costs associated with running such a pool are much smaller than the revenue generated even at 0.5%.
But that's just me Smiley

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January 15, 2014, 12:10:10 AM
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if we want to protect the network, miners should have a choice, eligius has 0 fees, ghash has 0 fees , btcguild has fees up to 7.5%

You do have a choice.  Choose between a 0 fee pool or a fee pool.

You do NOT have the right to tell a person what he should charge for a good or service.  You do have the right not to buy or use that good or service though.

Also Ghasheeo is not 0 fee.  Others are paying the fee for the freeloaders.  If I were a fee payer I would be irritated by their allowing freeloaders on my dime.  Of course the extra hash rate does lower the variance, that is important to many.  Still that is that pools choice.

I don't see how people using the market service and paying fees there has anything to do with the pool being 0 fee.
It's 2 different services after all. How hard is that to comprehend?

If you're purely connecting your hashing power to the pool, yes it is a 0 fee pool.  However, if you by GHS from their market, you pay a transaction fee on that market, then you pay per share your Gh/s generates as a maintenance fee for using their processing power.  So, in essence, some people are paying for their hashing at the pool and others are not. Currently, those that are using the cloud hashing are paying a fee of 4.55% for PPLNS compared to the 3% paid at BTC Guild.  I for one have no problem paying fees because someone has to pay to keep the servers going to process all the shares that we submit.  Below is a link to the fees ghash charges.

https://cex.io/maintenance

Which makes my point.

Thank you for posting the facts, which I didn't feel like researching, to prove my point that it is NOT free operation.  Someone is paying for it and subsidizing those who choose not to pay for it.  Again that is all the reason I need to not make use of that pool/service.

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January 15, 2014, 12:16:23 AM
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I called subsidy.

They could not do that if they did not have their own high end ASIC's and people paying for their other products and services.  If I were a paying customer I would not be ok with it.  But I'm not and I guess it is ok with they paying customers they do have.

All I am saying there is no such thing as something for nothing.

Why is that so hard to comprehend? Smiley

The fact is people who mine with their own equipment pay 0 fees. Whatever I mine with my share of the pool I withdraw at 100%.
That is what matters to me and I assume a lot of other people.

Btw how does Slush provide 0% fees. Who is subsidizing that?

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January 15, 2014, 12:17:42 AM
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I also have no problems paying fees if they are reasonable - anything above 0.5% for a very large pool is unreasonable in my opinion as the costs associated with running such a pool are much smaller than the revenue generated even at 0.5%.
But that's just me Smiley

Again, this really isn't the place for your anti free market rhetoric.

Create a thread just for this and I would happily post in to debate this subject with you in a civilized manner, as would many others.  To try and keep debating this in a pools support thread is improper.

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January 15, 2014, 12:20:07 AM
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I also have no problems paying fees if they are reasonable - anything above 0.5% for a very large pool is unreasonable in my opinion as the costs associated with running such a pool are much smaller than the revenue generated even at 0.5%.
But that's just me Smiley

Again, this really isn't the place for your anti free market rhetoric.

Create a thread just for this and I would happily post in to debate this subject with you in a civilized manner, as would many others.  To try and keep debating this in a pools support thread is improper.

I was under the impression that this thread is not support only, but general discussion of the pool and its services. At least I see nothing mentioned in the title, nor in the 1st post for it being support only thread.
Maybe the admin can clarify that.

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January 15, 2014, 12:21:34 AM
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The fact is people who mine with their own equipment pay 0 fees. Whatever I mine with my share of the pool I withdraw at 100%.
That is what matters to me and I assume a lot of other people.

Btw how does Slush provide 0% fees. Who is subsidizing that?

I know that is all that matters to you.  Which is why it is improper for you to try and browbeat a pool op in lowering or getting rid of his fee's.  He knows what his costs, R&D, and reinvestment costs.  We, especially you, do not.

Slush is not a free pool.  The last I heard anyway.

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January 15, 2014, 12:24:05 AM
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I was under the impression that this thread is not support only, but general discussion of the pool and its services. At least I see nothing mentioned in the title, nor in the 1st post for it being support only thread.
Maybe the admin can clarify that.

All pool threads are for support.  But many have been derailed and have caused pool ops to stop using them at all.  Which is what we BTC Guild users would hate to have happen.

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January 15, 2014, 12:24:13 AM
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I know that is all that matters to you.  Which is why it is improper for you to try and browbeat a pool op in lowering or getting rid of his fee's.  He knows what his costs, R&D, and reinvestment costs.  We, especially you, do not.

Slush is not a free pool.  The last I heard anyway.

I doubt the pool operator will change anything only because I like it to happen  Grin
But why should he stop people from expressing their views?

I meant Eligius pool (I sometimes mix these 2).

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January 15, 2014, 12:29:21 AM
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I know that is all that matters to you.  Which is why it is improper for you to try and browbeat a pool op in lowering or getting rid of his fee's.  He knows what his costs, R&D, and reinvestment costs.  We, especially you, do not.

I doubt the pool operator will change anything only because I like it to happen  Grin
But why should he stop people from expressing their views?

This pool is changing drastically and constantly.  Major updates, which are very costly and have risk, are under way right now.  This pool is very responsive to customers needs and wishes.

This, in my opinion, is not the right place to express pool fee views since it isn't just this pool your irritated with.  Your earnings theology could and should be discussed in a separate thread.

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January 15, 2014, 12:43:17 AM
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I know that is all that matters to you.  Which is why it is improper for you to try and browbeat a pool op in lowering or getting rid of his fee's.  He knows what his costs, R&D, and reinvestment costs.  We, especially you, do not.

I doubt the pool operator will change anything only because I like it to happen  Grin
But why should he stop people from expressing their views?

This pool is changing drastically and constantly.  Major updates, which are very costly and have risk, are under way right now.  This pool is very responsive to customers needs and wishes.

This, in my opinion, is not the right place to express pool fee views since it isn't just this pool your irritated with.  Your earnings theology could and should be discussed in a separate thread.

Agreed. I check this pool regularly for updates about the pool. This constant agitation about pool fees is getting to be very much an annoyance.

Cyper, I'd like to politely suggest that you start a thread somewhere else about pool fees and what you consider "reasonable". The fact of the matter is that everyone gets to make the decision for themselves -- by either joining the pool or, you know... not. And that's all that needs to be said about that here.

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January 15, 2014, 12:54:34 AM
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Any connection issues with the US server? If I change it to the EU server I can connect and start mining. Once I switch it back to the US server I'm unable to connect. I've reboot my rig about 10 times trying to connect to stratum.btcguild.com:3333 but it won't connect. It will connect to eu-stratum.btcguild.com:3333.



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30 minutes later....I'm still only able to connect to the EU server. My rig tells me "API connection failed" when I try to connect to the US server. I can see if I couldn't connect to both, but the EU server connects real quick and starts hashing right away. Takes forever to get up to speed though.


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January 15, 2014, 01:07:34 AM
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I don't know why anyone responds to Cyper, that is all he wants. I have him on ignore.

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January 15, 2014, 02:06:00 AM
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I thought eleuthria never sleeps?

I'm still only able to connect on the EU server. My Dad who is connected and hashing on the US server was going to update his firmware but I told him not to since he may not be able to re-connect after his reboot. Just a little nervous, that's all since this never happened to me before.


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January 15, 2014, 02:46:00 AM
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I thought eleuthria never sleeps?

I'm still only able to connect on the EU server. My Dad who is connected and hashing on the US server was going to update his firmware but I told him not to since he may not be able to re-connect after his reboot. Just a little nervous, that's all since this never happened to me before.



Me too. One of my BF rigs suddenly does not like the US server. EU server is OK though.

Strange.
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January 15, 2014, 03:09:13 AM
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I thought eleuthria never sleeps?

I'm still only able to connect on the EU server. My Dad who is connected and hashing on the US server was going to update his firmware but I told him not to since he may not be able to re-connect after his reboot. Just a little nervous, that's all since this never happened to me before.



Me too. One of my BF rigs suddenly does not like the US server. EU server is OK though.

Strange.


I go and try to get my second Cube running tonight and I restarted my main PC that is running the proxy and BFGminer...and neither would reconnect to the US server.  After looking here and seeing others having the same trouble, I pointed them at the EU server and they roared back to life.  I'll try to point them back at the US server in the morning....

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January 15, 2014, 04:39:02 AM
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Joining this pool to combat the nasties at ghash. But not much hash coming your way but glad to be doing something to fix the possible problem.
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January 15, 2014, 04:44:58 AM
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I thought eleuthria never sleeps?

I'm still only able to connect on the EU server. My Dad who is connected and hashing on the US server was going to update his firmware but I told him not to since he may not be able to re-connect after his reboot. Just a little nervous, that's all since this never happened to me before.



Me too. One of my BF rigs suddenly does not like the US server. EU server is OK though.

Strange.


I go and try to get my second Cube running tonight and I restarted my main PC that is running the proxy and BFGminer...and neither would reconnect to the US server.  After looking here and seeing others having the same trouble, I pointed them at the EU server and they roared back to life.  I'll try to point them back at the US server in the morning....

So that's 3 confirmed users that can't connect to the US servers, 4 hours later and I'm still running on the EU server. Can't connect to the US server.

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January 15, 2014, 05:03:07 AM
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me too

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me too
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January 15, 2014, 05:08:46 AM
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I have 3 rigs running as well.  Rebooted 2 of them and cgminer will not see the us server anymore, it does see the eu server.  The one rig I left alone is still on the us server hashing away.  Something to do with the internet gods/proxying us for past sins, or something like that.  This happens every so often.

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