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January 29, 2014, 10:25:11 PM
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There's been a reasonable bump (2.5 billion -> 3 billion) in the length of shifts due to the recent growth in overall pool hash rate pushing shifts below the 40 minute mark.

For those who still don't understand PPLNS:  Shift length has NO effect on your overall payout.  It's purely a way to do the accounting and smooth out variance over a short period of time.  In a 24 hour window, the length of shifts has NO effect on your payout, that's purely based on pool luck.

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January 29, 2014, 10:42:53 PM
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Cursed low luck!!! What happened to 15 blocks per shift?  Down to 4 BPS...must steal some of Ghash.io 's pool...
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January 29, 2014, 10:58:54 PM
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Cursed low luck!!! What happened to 15 blocks per shift?  Down to 4 BPS...must steal some of Ghash.io 's pool...

Yeah I also had a weird "DNS server not responding" error overnight so my hashing dropped off the proverbial cliff  Undecided

It looked like I was going to have to mess around with internet protocol version properties, but thankfully everything seemed to go back to normal after rebooting the wireless modem. Still haven't mastered rebooting in my sleep though, but in some ways it's better knowing that 'luck hasn't been a lady' while my miners couldn't connect to the pool.

Oh well, today will be a better day.

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January 29, 2014, 10:59:31 PM
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Cursed low luck!!! What happened to 15 blocks per shift?  Down to 4 BPS...must steal some of Ghash.io 's pool...

It's just bad luck, not like we haven't been due for some of it for months now.  Hell, our 1-week average is still 105%.


However, the new shares per shift number will bring the # of blocks per shift to ~14 for neutral luck once all 10 open shifts are at 3 billion shares each.

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January 30, 2014, 01:00:06 AM
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Yeah, my Cubes really took a hit, there running 94-97% on my end. Down 90%  Sad I'll move them till the problem is fixed.

All problems are fixed now, every BTC Guild server (including validation server) has been reverted to the same software it was using for the last year.

And my machine is back to running at the proper rate. When the old stuff works and the new stuff doesn't... You have your work cut out for you.

It's unfortunate that the only way to find out the new stuff doesn't work is by putting it live.  Every local test I can do turns out fine, but there are so many thousands of hardware configurations, software configurations, and just plain VOLUME of network activity that you can't properly test in a sterile development environment.

For now, I think I might hang up this attempt at a rewrite and fall back to what I know at least one other pool has done to get better multi-core utilization:  Just run the server process multiple times on multiple ports and have a proxy split the load on the same machine over the different ports.  It feels like a cop out, but I noticed during the live testing that a significant load still hit one core:  The one used for the primary network IO processing, which is extremely difficult to split over multiple cores/threads without significant overhead in mutex locking.  I get the feeling it wouldn't be any more efficient than just running multiple instances of the server.


When I started mining here in late October I was getting .5 BTC daily. I thought the network and diff grows to a certain rate, right? I never remember getting .3 .4 ever, it just dived to .1 and stayed there. It basically jumped from .5 to .1 pretty much skipping all the numbers in between. Where did those .3's and .4's go? I would have loved to see them.




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January 30, 2014, 01:12:36 AM
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If there was 0 fee then I can see you not worrying about it at all, but since this is one of the few pools that charges a fee it should be a premium service?

I know this is sort of beside the point, but I contest this. The only big pools that don't charge a fee are Eligius (wizkid has a working relationship with a datacentre) and GHash.IO (makes their money from CEX.IO).

In the past, BTC mining pools that don't charge a fee have changed to fee charging or have failed. If you're not paying for the service in BTC, then you need to make sure you're not paying for it some other way.

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January 30, 2014, 01:12:51 AM
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Days behind here, but you need to invest in some mining hardware yourself and setup your own test environment and not use the real world for testing? Unless you already do that? If there was 0 fee then I can see you not worrying about it at all, but since this is one of the few pools that charges a fee it should be a premium service? Please don't take this as arrogance, it is hard for me to word my paragraphs sometimes.

I have mining hardware.  I did test it myself.  For days on end, purposely trying to break it.  It did not break.  There is no feasible way to test something designed to handle tens of thousands of connections with varying hardware and varying speeds, on a local test.

The project was completely scrapped because I do not want to repeat live testing, and there is no alternative to live testing to test this kind of software.  I cannot just go up and buy 4000 TH/s and place it all over the country so it connects from 30,000 different locations in every country on the planet.


Even the largest tech companies eventually have to push out updates to their online services, and they break.  There is simply nothing that can compare to regular users connecting in massive numbers.  Unit testing and local stress testing simply cannot mimic the organic loads and broken client implementations that exist in the real world.

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January 30, 2014, 01:21:52 AM
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When I started mining here in late October I was getting .5 BTC daily. I thought the network and diff grows to a certain rate, right? I never remember getting .3 .4 ever, it just dived to .1 and stayed there. It basically jumped from .5 to .1 pretty much skipping all the numbers in between. Where did those .3's and .4's go? I would have loved to see them.

You clearly weren't paying attention.  The network difficulty has been going up by roughly 20-30% every 10-11 days since October.  Your earnings have similarly declined regularly since then.  On a day to day basis they've gone up and down wildly (look at the luck chart which shows the last 3 months of luck per shift), but on average, each 10-11 days has been earning you less than the 10-11 days previous.

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January 30, 2014, 01:25:57 AM
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When I started mining here in late October I was getting .5 BTC daily. I thought the network and diff grows to a certain rate, right? I never remember getting .3 .4 ever, it just dived to .1 and stayed there. It basically jumped from .5 to .1 pretty much skipping all the numbers in between. Where did those .3's and .4's go? I would have loved to see them.

You clearly weren't paying attention.  The network difficulty has been going up by roughly 20-30% every 10-11 days since October.  Your earnings have similarly declined regularly since then.  On a day to day basis they've gone up and down wildly (look at the luck chart which shows the last 3 months of luck per shift), but on average, each 10-11 days has been earning you less than the 10-11 days previous.

Who has time to pay attention? I'm a working man and put in my 16 hour days and come home too tired to think about luck or the difficulty. Smiley

That's it! I'm moving my 22TH/sec somwhere else.

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January 30, 2014, 01:51:11 AM
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When I started mining here in late October I was getting .5 BTC daily. I thought the network and diff grows to a certain rate, right? I never remember getting .3 .4 ever, it just dived to .1 and stayed there. It basically jumped from .5 to .1 pretty much skipping all the numbers in between. Where did those .3's and .4's go? I would have loved to see them.

You clearly weren't paying attention.  The network difficulty has been going up by roughly 20-30% every 10-11 days since October.  Your earnings have similarly declined regularly since then.  On a day to day basis they've gone up and down wildly (look at the luck chart which shows the last 3 months of luck per shift), but on average, each 10-11 days has been earning you less than the 10-11 days previous.

Who has time to pay attention? I'm a working man and put in my 16 hour days and come home too tired to think about luck or the difficulty. Smiley

That's it! I'm moving my 22TH/sec somwhere else.

Bye, you think movin somewhere else will help you ? It wont, least not in the way your hoping it will.

Side note, 22Th puts you around 13-15 ranking which is good, you migh not find better in another pool and it will ome down to only pools with 1Ph or higher will make money.

What I want to know is who these people are.

348870 407,603.93 GH/s
269032 204,570.25 GH/s
438366 145,944.29 GH/s

I mean seriously who he fuk has 407Th let alone 145.

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January 30, 2014, 01:59:23 AM
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When I started mining here in late October I was getting .5 BTC daily. I thought the network and diff grows to a certain rate, right? I never remember getting .3 .4 ever, it just dived to .1 and stayed there. It basically jumped from .5 to .1 pretty much skipping all the numbers in between. Where did those .3's and .4's go? I would have loved to see them.

Who has time to pay attention? I'm a working man and put in my 16 hour days and come home too tired to think about luck or the difficulty. Smiley

Unfortunately, there's a significant amount of work a miner needs to do and understanding a miner needs to have if he or she wants to understand average daily earnings rather than average earnings between retargets - especially if they have a 22Thps investment.

Your best bet is to average your earnings over a retarget and compare that to previous retargets. Either way, you need to be able to work out your estimated daily earnings so you have something to which you can compare your actual results.

Daily: hashrate*86400/2^32/Difficulty*Reward per block

At 22 Thps, this is:

22e12/2^32/ 2193847870.1743*86400*25 = 5.043245 coins per day

So if you have 22Thps and you're only earning 0.1 coins per day, something is badly wrong somewhere.


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January 30, 2014, 02:03:13 AM
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When I started mining here in late October I was getting .5 BTC daily. I thought the network and diff grows to a certain rate, right? I never remember getting .3 .4 ever, it just dived to .1 and stayed there. It basically jumped from .5 to .1 pretty much skipping all the numbers in between. Where did those .3's and .4's go? I would have loved to see them.

Who has time to pay attention? I'm a working man and put in my 16 hour days and come home too tired to think about luck or the difficulty. Smiley

Unfortunately, there's a significant amount of work a miner needs to do and understanding a miner needs to have if he or she wants to understand average daily earnings rather than average earnings between retargets - especially if they have a 22Thps investment.

Your best bet is to average your earnings over a retarget and compare that to previous retargets. Either way, you need to be able to work out your estimated daily earnings so you have something to which you can compare your actual results.

Daily: hashrate*86400/2^32/Difficulty*Reward per block

At 22 Thps Ghps, this is:

22e12/2^32/ 2193847870.1743*86400*25 = 5.043245 coins per day

So if you have 22Thps and you're only earning 0.1 coins per day, something is badly wrong somewhere.


For my own curiosity, assuming he mah is right and I don't know if it is. How would such  problem be diagnosed.

Edit: Also he said when he started he was getting 0.5 so by your math something was wrong when h came in.

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January 30, 2014, 03:15:10 AM
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When I started mining here in late October I was getting .5 BTC daily. I thought the network and diff grows to a certain rate, right? I never remember getting .3 .4 ever, it just dived to .1 and stayed there. It basically jumped from .5 to .1 pretty much skipping all the numbers in between. Where did those .3's and .4's go? I would have loved to see them.

Who has time to pay attention? I'm a working man and put in my 16 hour days and come home too tired to think about luck or the difficulty. Smiley

Unfortunately, there's a significant amount of work a miner needs to do and understanding a miner needs to have if he or she wants to understand average daily earnings rather than average earnings between retargets - especially if they have a 22Thps investment.

Your best bet is to average your earnings over a retarget and compare that to previous retargets. Either way, you need to be able to work out your estimated daily earnings so you have something to which you can compare your actual results.

Daily: hashrate*86400/2^32/Difficulty*Reward per block

At 22 Thps Ghps, this is:

22e12/2^32/ 2193847870.1743*86400*25 = 5.043245 coins per day

So if you have 22Thps and you're only earning 0.1 coins per day, something is badly wrong somewhere.


For my own curiosity, assuming he mah is right and I don't know if it is. How would such  problem be diagnosed.

Edit: Also he said when he started he was getting 0.5 so by your math something was wrong when h came in.

If I had to guess, I'd say his hashrate is more like 440 Ghps. That's more likely than anything else (not noticing a hashrate 50 times lower than it should be, for example).

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January 30, 2014, 03:27:21 AM
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When I started mining here in late October I was getting .5 BTC daily. I thought the network and diff grows to a certain rate, right? I never remember getting .3 .4 ever, it just dived to .1 and stayed there. It basically jumped from .5 to .1 pretty much skipping all the numbers in between. Where did those .3's and .4's go? I would have loved to see them.

You clearly weren't paying attention.  The network difficulty has been going up by roughly 20-30% every 10-11 days since October.  Your earnings have similarly declined regularly since then.  On a day to day basis they've gone up and down wildly (look at the luck chart which shows the last 3 months of luck per shift), but on average, each 10-11 days has been earning you less than the 10-11 days previous.

Who has time to pay attention? I'm a working man and put in my 16 hour days and come home too tired to think about luck or the difficulty. Smiley

That's it! I'm moving my 22TH/sec somwhere else.


One less whining buffoon on this thread. Good times.
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January 30, 2014, 03:59:24 AM
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For my own curiosity, assuming he mah is right and I don't know if it is. How would such  problem be diagnosed.

Edit: Also he said when he started he was getting 0.5 so by your math something was wrong when h came in.

If I had to guess, I'd say his hashrate is more like 440 Ghps. That's more likely than anything else (not noticing a hashrate 50 times lower than it should be, for example).

Ok, but if that were the case, and assuming this guy is smart enough... he would have or should have seen this in the workers area.

I'd sure as shit notice if my hash rate dropped over 21Th, even if I didnt look at the worker page and just saw my combined hash rate as seen in he sig Ive been working on.


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January 30, 2014, 04:03:48 AM
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Ok, but if that were the case, and assuming this guy is smart enough... he would have or should have seen this in the workers area.

I'd sure as shit notice if my hash rate dropped over 21Th, even if I didnt look at the worker page and just saw my combined hash rate as seen in he sig Ive been working on.



Nice sig! Will they let you use it, or is it for somewhere else?

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January 30, 2014, 04:12:20 AM
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Ok, but if that were the case, and assuming this guy is smart enough... he would have or should have seen this in the workers area.

I'd sure as shit notice if my hash rate dropped over 21Th, even if I didnt look at the worker page and just saw my combined hash rate as seen in he sig Ive been working on.



Nice sig! Will they let you use it, or is it for somewhere else?
Ty.

Here and other places, still tweaking he code a tad bu it's basically done.

To use it here I have to paste it in he botom of the text field here.

I'vee actually got it offered in the services section here for other users who are interested.

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January 30, 2014, 01:25:47 PM
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I'm not sure this is an appropriate place to post this, but I figured I'd risk it.  I wanted to let eleuthria know what I great job I think he does with the pool, and how great the site is.  I just came over from GHash.IO and was worried about the pool fees; however, my regular income has actually increased (not really sure how that works)?!? I have found the data transfer to be much better here.  The diff. configuration here seems much better than GHash.IO too.  Also, the total shift time there was around an hour.  Not sure how that's too helpful to stop jumpers.  The six hour minimum here, and the reduced variance, is much better (IMHO).

One feature request that might be cool - perhaps  a "Block Age" column in the "Your Recent Block Rewards" part of the dashboard (kinda like blockchain.info does on their homepage - 2 min. old, 16 min. old, etc):

https://blockchain.info/

Keep up the good work.  Its nice around here Smiley


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January 30, 2014, 02:55:42 PM
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what am I doing wrong? or is this normal?

I used two antminer getting ave 390mh/s..getting 0.1 to 0.09 BTC per day..

I added extra two, avg is 750mh/s..now it shows 0.06 24hr earning..why is smaller earning after I added 2 more rigs?


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January 30, 2014, 03:02:01 PM
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Hey, erickisback, yes, from mining with identical hash rate on a 4 different pools for 6 weeks straight, BTC Guild returns significantly more BTC even considering its fee. The other 3 pools I used claim to have 0% fees. When I get some time I'll put it all together in a post. There are several ways that information could be interpreted, and luck/variance over a 6 week period is one of them, though I have my doubts about that. I have no doubt of the honesty of this pool or the quality of its payout method implementation.
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