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January 26, 2014, 11:10:35 PM
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Probably my lack of understanding, but how is the amount of shares affected by hashrate?  I started with producing 40k shares per shift and now at 35k per shift average.  I know that # of bitcoin paid per share decreases by difficulty, but how is the number of shares produced decreased as well.  That is what I don't understand.
or for us simpletons, same amount of pizza, now there are just more mouths around that pizza, and some have bigger mouths than others too....lol...
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January 26, 2014, 11:48:38 PM
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Hey Elu, I noticed something funny today after finishing the code to display API stats.

BTC Earned: 0.00259205
BTC Paid: 0.000
BTC Owed: 0.00259204

Not gonna cry foul over 0.00000001 lol but what's up with that ?

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January 27, 2014, 12:38:35 AM
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Just to clarify shifts/share counts:

BTC Guild's shifts are cut off at a certain # of shares.  It's not a precise cutoff due to just how fast they come in, but at this time the cutoff is whenever the In Progress shift has 2,500,000,000 shares in it.  It will normally be 2.51-2.52b shares by the time the script officially records the shift.  This slight variation is factored in when blocks are rewarded so there is not any kind of penalty for a shift having slightly more or less shares.

The # of shares in a shift is manually increased, generally around the time of a difficulty increase, or alternatively when the pool sees a large increase in hash rate.  The target rate is that shifts are more than 40 minutes, less than 60 minutes, that way the PPLNS system fully matures (closes) shifts in under 10 hours.

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When the pool is speeding up (which is almost always happening), you will generally see your share counts decreasing per shift each day, unless you're adding more speed to keep up with the pool growth.  This happens because the shifts finish faster.  It has no affect on your payout, since you're completing more shifts in the same amount of time.

When the pool adjusts the shift size, that's when you'll see an increase in shares per shift.  Again, just like when shifts speed up, it has no direct impact on your payout, you now have more shares per shift but complete fewer shifts in the same amount of time.

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The target rate of 40-60 minutes was decided on because it keeps the average blocks per shift (at neutral luck) at more than 10 blocks.  This number was chosen because the likelihood of a 10x difficulty block is *extremely* rare, meaning it's virtually impossible for the pool to have a shift that goes completely unpaid due to lack of block solves.  It also means the per share variance is reduced significantly compared to PPLNS pools that use a much lower 'N' value.  24-hour variance for a consistent miner really doesn't matter what the 'N' value is, but per-shift variance is what users tend to gauge the most, so keeping that as consistent as possible is the goal.

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January 27, 2014, 05:46:12 AM
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How to withdraw the exact Bitcoin balance on BTCGuild without the dust round-off?

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January 27, 2014, 06:00:01 AM
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How to withdraw the exact Bitcoin balance on BTCGuild without the dust round-off?

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Manual payouts are full precision to the last satoshi.  Only automatic payouts are cut off after to 0.0x amounts.

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January 27, 2014, 06:29:38 AM
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How to withdraw the exact Bitcoin balance on BTCGuild without the dust round-off?

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Manual payouts are full precision to the last satoshi.  Only automatic payouts are cut off after to 0.0x amounts.
So if I have auto payout set to 0.1 and I have a balance of lets say 0.12456257 Then it only send the 0.1 and no the full amount ?

If I'm understanding you right.

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January 27, 2014, 06:42:50 AM
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How to withdraw the exact Bitcoin balance on BTCGuild without the dust round-off?

Links to prior convo are welcome.

Manual payouts are full precision to the last satoshi.  Only automatic payouts are cut off after to 0.0x amounts.
So if I have auto payout set to 0.1 and I have a balance of lets say 0.12456257 Then it only send the 0.1 and no the full amount ?

If I'm understanding you right.

Correct.  Automatic payouts are (obviously) designed assuming you're continuing to mine.  As such, filling your wallet with unspendably small amounts makes no sense for the user (it will eventually cause you to pay extra tx fees).

Manual payouts are there for users who want full withdrawals, or users who want to leave the pool, allowing them to have a complete liquidation of their balance.


Support -> How Am I Paid?  covers both withdrawal methods.

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January 27, 2014, 06:51:41 AM
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How to withdraw the exact Bitcoin balance on BTCGuild without the dust round-off?

Links to prior convo are welcome.

Manual payouts are full precision to the last satoshi.  Only automatic payouts are cut off after to 0.0x amounts.
So if I have auto payout set to 0.1 and I have a balance of lets say 0.12456257 Then it only send the 0.1 and no the full amount ?

If I'm understanding you right.

Correct.  Automatic payouts are (obviously) designed assuming you're continuing to mine.  As such, filling your wallet with unspendably small amounts makes no sense for the user (it will eventually cause you to pay extra tx fees).

Manual payouts are there for users who want full withdrawals, or users who want to leave the pool, allowing them to have a complete liquidation of their balance.


Support -> How Am I Paid?  covers both withdrawal methods.
Re. Red txt: That much I understand, like say cashing out a lot on something like 0.00003443, but if your always cashing out on something like 0.1xxxxxxx then I don't see why the extras wouldnt be included since it counts as a large payment still. In any event, not tryin to argue anything by any means.

Just an observational curiosity.

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January 27, 2014, 06:57:12 AM
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Oh, ok. Thanx Elu.
I thought my apps were going bonkers for a bit.
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January 27, 2014, 08:12:48 AM
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Re. Red txt: That much I understand, like say cashing out a lot on something like 0.00003443, but if your always cashing out on something like 0.1xxxxxxx then I don't see why the extras wouldnt be included since it counts as a large payment still. In any event, not tryin to argue anything by any means.

Just an observational curiosity.

Eventually those little pieces are going to separate from "usable" Bitcoin amounts when you spend your BTC on something.  This wouldn't affect people who just cash their entire balance out to an exchange, but anybody who actually USES Bitcoin is unlikely to be spending amounts under 0.0000x.  Some sites might go all the way to satoshis, but that is pretty rare (outside of gambling sites).

Over time, you can attempt to consolidate those little dust outputs by sending them along with larger amounts to attempt to avoid fees, but all that does is bloat the blockchain even more than it already is.


The pool offers users the choice of convenience (auto payouts) or precision (manual payouts).  I do not want the pool to make contributing to blockchain bloat part of the convenient option.

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January 27, 2014, 10:27:10 PM
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I noticed that switching from pplns to pps and vice versa is causing some problems on the site.  I would get the message: "There was an error updating at least 1 Stratum server. Please try again."

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January 28, 2014, 09:26:57 AM
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I noticed that switching from pplns to pps and vice versa is causing some problems on the site.  I would get the message: "There was an error updating at least 1 Stratum server. Please try again."

Swap back and forth if this happens until the error doesn't show up.  It shouldn't happen for very long if it happens at all, it's when the frontend server is unable to access the validation server, generally it's very brief unless there's an attack hitting the validation server.

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January 29, 2014, 03:23:40 AM
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Woot, jut finished coding a signature to show BTC Guild pool & user stats !



All figures are auto updating !

Questions, comments, thoughts ?

Edit: If anyone else is interested in getting a sig like mine to display your BTCG stats please PM me to get the address you need to send the funds to, the cost is BTC 0.01 for each user name / api key.

Once your payment shows up in my wallet I will PM you back usually inside of 30mins with the link to your signature. Some might say asking BTC 0.01 ($10) is too much or whatever for something so simple. Two things you have to keep in mind though is the work that went in to the code to create these signatures and the fact that everything is hosted on my own cloud VPS using resources that I pay for on a monthly basis

Edit 2: Hey Elu, sent you a PM... need small favor, Ty.

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January 29, 2014, 07:52:49 AM
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I am new at BTC Guild and get no payouts since 3 blocks.

Is this normal from time to time or is there any problem around?
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January 29, 2014, 08:12:20 AM
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I am new at BTC Guild and get no payouts since 3 blocks.

Is this normal from time to time or is there any problem around?

I'm assuming you mean 3 shifts, not 3 blocks...shifts only update with payments when blocks are solved.  Since shifts only last 40 minutes, and block solves can take anywhere from 1 second to 3-4 hours, it's not unusual for 2-3 shifts to have 0 blocks paid when they're at the top of the Open Shifts section.  That is why there is a large BOLD NOTICE stating this exact fact.

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January 29, 2014, 08:20:07 AM
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Thank you...

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January 29, 2014, 08:30:56 AM
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Hey Eleu, edited my lastt reply a cpl times but it's got a comment for ya... Thx.

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January 29, 2014, 09:09:02 AM
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Anyone know what timezone is the luck graph displaying ?
Doesn't seem to be GMT

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January 29, 2014, 09:20:32 AM
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Anyone know what timezone is the luck graph displaying ?
Doesn't seem to be GMT

By default I believe it is EST, but it adjusts to your local time zone if you set one in the settings.

The luck graph only reflects closed shifts since it can't measure luck from a shift that is not done getting paid.  Its generally one shift behind the most recently closed.

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January 29, 2014, 09:38:20 AM
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By default I believe it is EST, but it adjusts to your local time zone if you set one in the settings.
Thanks eleuthria
Checked my settings and it's GMT which is correct
 EDIT , but definately not displaying at that, but now I know it's EST I can use it fine

Thx again

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