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Author Topic: [CLOSED] BTC Guild - Pays TxFees+NMC, Stratum, VarDiff, Private Servers  (Read 829595 times)
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January 13, 2014, 09:39:02 PM
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Yes, it is true it is quite different. Was just a hopeful idea. There are few pools that offer XPM, all of which I feel do not have enough transparency.  Also are you needing any guinea pigs for the Scrypt Guild?

Guinea pigs will be hand chosen (AKA:  mass invited) in IRC once it is ready.  I'm going to avoid giving any dates until it's closer though, after the hangups that I hit on the main backend over the weekend (most of which have been resolved).

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January 13, 2014, 09:42:30 PM
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Yes, it is true it is quite different. Was just a hopeful idea. There are few pools that offer XPM, all of which I feel do not have enough transparency.  Also are you needing any guinea pigs for the Scrypt Guild?

Guinea pigs will be hand chosen (AKA:  mass invited) in IRC once it is ready.  I'm going to avoid giving any dates until it's closer though, after the hangups that I hit on the main backend over the weekend (most of which have been resolved).

just out of curiosity, what language are you coding in? I won't ask why because that is a personal choice.

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January 13, 2014, 10:09:23 PM
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Sorry if this was asked, but does anyone know any common resolution to high # of rejected shares?  i switched from slush to btcguild and all 4 antminers are showing very high number (~25%) of rejected shares.  I don think it is the hardware or internet, they were mining slush fine but i dont like that pool anymore.

I am pretty sure it's some setting i need to do figured if someone already knew, will save me some time.

Thanks

fyi this is resolved, i *think* the issue was the minimum difficulty setting of the workers, they were all defaulted at 2, once i changed them to 128 or 256 (i put 2 workers on each) for my 180 GH antminer, the rejected shares stopped and everything began working correctly.  I am running at 99%+ accepted now after about 24 hours.
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January 13, 2014, 10:53:58 PM
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Miner statistics bug with the new backend ?

I had 2 of my miners go down due to a datacentre reshuffle, which saw some miners powered down and restarted.

On restart 2 units were mining suboptimally, an Oct jupiter hashing at about 1/4 speed (confirmed on http GUI and shell cgminer) and a Nov jupiter hashing at about 1/2 speed.

btcguild moved them from "idle workers" to "active workers" but despite multiple refreshes over a few minutes, the estimated speed was clearly incorrect  547.64 GH/s and 654.68 GH/s

I assume btcguild is displaying the old estimated speed before they became idle, rather than their current estimated speed.

I'm assuming this already sorted itself out.  The estimated speed has always used a large window to determine the average speed.  If your miners disconnect for a while (restart) and you turn them back on, it will take about an hour before your estimated speed returns to normal, since you have a period of no hashing.

Absolutely *nothing* has changed on the frontend or backend mining servers.  The server currently being used for testing is the validation server, which you're only connected to for a few seconds at most if you're running decent hardware.

Already sorted out. I don't know why some Jupiters hash poorly after restarting (And on occasion on forced pool change when bitminter went down). Bertmod did not reveal any obvious problem. Restarting cgminer from shell fixed the hashrate.
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January 14, 2014, 12:40:13 AM
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Jupiters (and quite a few other ASICs) experience big issues when mining at low difficulties due to just how rapid they produce shares.  In the case of a Jupiter, at the default difficulty (2), it's producing about 50 shares per second.

BTC Guild adjusts difficulty very rapidly for miners at that speed, to help them get to an appropriate difficulty.  Of course, some miners have problems with the work updates pushed by difficulty increases!  BTC Guild can push those in very rapid succession if you start at the default difficulty on a 400 GH/s+ machine as it tries to get your difficulty to an appropriate level.

Setting a minimum difficulty prevents this entire process from taking place Smiley.

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January 14, 2014, 12:58:51 AM
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Why not start the difficulty at 32 or 64 and let it go down if necessary as opposed to going up from a too low of a level?  That would seem better for everyone.

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January 14, 2014, 01:10:36 AM
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Why not start the difficulty at 32 or 64 and let it go down if necessary as opposed to going up from a too low of a level?  That would seem better for everyone.

The only way to know your hashing rate (and thus adjust your difficulty) is if you're actually submitting shares.  Starting that high would make low hash rate miners virtually unusable on the pool.  Yes, it averages out over time, but most users have no clue how difficulty works in the first place and would just see BTC Guild not giving them any credit for an hour.

It's very quick to adjust a miner UP in difficulty (or they can just set it themself).  It's much harder to know if a miner needs to be adjusted down.

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January 14, 2014, 01:19:30 AM
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Why not start the difficulty at 32 or 64 and let it go down if necessary as opposed to going up from a too low of a level?  That would seem better for everyone.

The only way to know your hashing rate (and thus adjust your difficulty) is if you're actually submitting shares.  Starting that high would make low hash rate miners virtually unusable on the pool.  Yes, it averages out over time, but most users have no clue how difficulty works in the first place and would just see BTC Guild not giving them any credit for an hour.

It's very quick to adjust a miner UP in difficulty (or they can just set it themself).  It's much harder to know if a miner needs to be adjusted down.

Well I guess the best thing to do is to let your miner run for an hour or so and see what difficulty the pools sets it to and then change your worker minimum difficulty to that level.

I just updated my worker by the way. Smiley

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January 14, 2014, 01:44:23 PM
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Just got 6 antminers when luck turned sour. Sad

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January 14, 2014, 10:04:15 PM
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do u take in consideration to make btcguild 0% fees pool ?

And then how to pay for anything?

if we want to protect the network, miners should have a choice, eligius has 0 fees, ghash has 0 fees , btcguild has fees up to 7.5% ...

just my 2 cents
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January 14, 2014, 10:11:23 PM
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do u take in consideration to make btcguild 0% fees pool ?

And then how to pay for anything?

if we want to protect the network, miners should have a choice, eligius has 0 fees, ghash has 0 fees , btcguild has fees up to 7.5% ...

just my 2 cents

Miners do have a choice.  You get what you pay for, and the miners have spoken.  There's a reason BTCGuild is as big as it is.

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January 14, 2014, 10:33:52 PM
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Miners do have a choice.  You get what you pay for, and the miners have spoken.  There's a reason BTCGuild is as big as it is.

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Exactly, I couldn't agree more.

Now, if the people pleading poverty could kindly leave the thread. If you can't afford to drive, then you're walking or taking the bus.

Can't you read the sign? ---->  No whining allowed.

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January 14, 2014, 10:49:08 PM
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if we want to protect the network, miners should have a choice, eligius has 0 fees, ghash has 0 fees , btcguild has fees up to 7.5%

You do have a choice.  Choose between a 0 fee pool or a fee pool.

You do NOT have the right to tell a person what he should charge for a good or service.  You do have the right not to buy or use that good or service though.

Also Ghasheeo is not 0 fee.  Others are paying the fee for the freeloaders.  If I were a fee payer I would be irritated by their allowing freeloaders on my dime.  Of course the extra hash rate does lower the variance, that is important to many.  Still that is that pools choice.

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January 14, 2014, 10:55:11 PM
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if we want to protect the network, miners should have a choice, eligius has 0 fees, ghash has 0 fees , btcguild has fees up to 7.5%

You do have a choice.  Choose between a 0 fee pool or a fee pool.

You do NOT have the right to tell a person what he should charge for a good or service.  You do have the right not to buy or use that good or service though.

Also Ghasheeo is not 0 fee.  Others are paying the fee for the freeloaders.  If I were a fee payer I would be irritated by their allowing freeloaders on my dime.  Of course the extra hash rate does lower the variance, that is important to many.  Still that is that pools choice.

I don't see how people using the market service and paying fees there has anything to do with the pool being 0 fee.
It's 2 different services after all. How hard is that to comprehend?

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January 14, 2014, 10:55:41 PM
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Miners do have a choice.  You get what you pay for, and the miners have spoken.  There's a reason BTCGuild is as big as it is.

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Exactly, I couldn't agree more.

Now, if the people pleading poverty could kindly leave the thread. If you can't afford to drive, then you're walking or taking the bus.

Can't you read the sign? ---->  No whining allowed.

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January 14, 2014, 11:08:48 PM
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Miners do have a choice.  You get what you pay for, and the miners have spoken.  There's a reason BTCGuild is as big as it is.

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Exactly, I couldn't agree more.

Now, if the people pleading poverty could kindly leave the thread. If you can't afford to drive, then you're walking or taking the bus.

Can't you read the sign? ---->  No whining allowed.

Cheesy




You like telling people what to do, don't you?


I seem to recall that you used a significant number of pages of this thread trying to bully, cajole, insult, argue and brow-beat the pool users and pool operator to bend to your will and reduce the pool fees.

Unlike my post above, you didn't make any joke of what you were doing, you were caustic, unmannered, aggressive and a selfish bastard. If this were my thread I've have banned your ass pages ago. You've contributed nothing to this conversation, all you've done is try to leverage your own interests and attempt to persuade others that a 'race to the bottom' in terms of fees is in miners interests. It's not and you saying it doesn't make it so, however many times you say it.


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January 14, 2014, 11:31:56 PM
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Miners do have a choice.  You get what you pay for, and the miners have spoken.  There's a reason BTCGuild is as big as it is.

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Exactly, I couldn't agree more.

Now, if the people pleading poverty could kindly leave the thread. If you can't afford to drive, then you're walking or taking the bus.

Can't you read the sign? ---->  No whining allowed.

Cheesy




You like telling people what to do, don't you?


I seem to recall that you used a significant number of pages of this thread trying to bully, cajole, insult, argue and brow-beat the pool users and pool operator to bend to your will and reduce the pool fees.

Unlike my post above, you didn't make any joke of what you were doing, you were caustic, unmannered, aggressive and a selfish bastard. If this were my thread I've have banned your ass pages ago. You've contributed nothing to this conversation, all you've done is try to leverage your own interests and attempt to persuade others that a 'race to the bottom' in terms of fees is in miners interests. It's not and you saying it doesn't make it so, however many times you say it.



I automatically assume that people who use insults to backup their arguments are are usually not very intelligent.
The good thing is this isn't your thread, so you don't make the decisions around here no matter how much you want it  Grin

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January 14, 2014, 11:41:50 PM
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Miners do have a choice.  You get what you pay for, and the miners have spoken.  There's a reason BTCGuild is as big as it is.

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Exactly, I couldn't agree more.

Now, if the people pleading poverty could kindly leave the thread. If you can't afford to drive, then you're walking or taking the bus.

Can't you read the sign? ---->  No whining allowed.

Cheesy




You like telling people what to do, don't you?


I seem to recall that you used a significant number of pages of this thread trying to bully, cajole, insult, argue and brow-beat the pool users and pool operator to bend to your will and reduce the pool fees.

Unlike my post above, you didn't make any joke of what you were doing, you were caustic, unmannered, aggressive and a selfish bastard. If this were my thread I've have banned your ass pages ago. You've contributed nothing to this conversation, all you've done is try to leverage your own interests and attempt to persuade others that a 'race to the bottom' in terms of fees is in miners interests. It's not and you saying it doesn't make it so, however many times you say it.



I automatically assume that people who use insults to backup their arguments are are usually not very intelligent.
The good thing is this isn't your thread, so you don't make the decisions around here no matter how much you want it  Grin


I'm pleased to note that your behaviour has really toned down since the moderation feature got introduced - introduced because you were so selfish and aggressive begging for lower fees for page after page.

I'll draw the line here and you can whistle in the wind for a while. People know what you're about, you've made your intentions and modus operandi quite clear.




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January 14, 2014, 11:57:04 PM
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if we want to protect the network, miners should have a choice, eligius has 0 fees, ghash has 0 fees , btcguild has fees up to 7.5%

You do have a choice.  Choose between a 0 fee pool or a fee pool.

You do NOT have the right to tell a person what he should charge for a good or service.  You do have the right not to buy or use that good or service though.

Also Ghasheeo is not 0 fee.  Others are paying the fee for the freeloaders.  If I were a fee payer I would be irritated by their allowing freeloaders on my dime.  Of course the extra hash rate does lower the variance, that is important to many.  Still that is that pools choice.

I don't see how people using the market service and paying fees there has anything to do with the pool being 0 fee.
It's 2 different services after all. How hard is that to comprehend?

If you're purely connecting your hashing power to the pool, yes it is a 0 fee pool.  However, if you by GHS from their market, you pay a transaction fee on that market, then you pay per share your Gh/s generates as a maintenance fee for using their processing power.  So, in essence, some people are paying for their hashing at the pool and others are not. Currently, those that are using the cloud hashing are paying a fee of 4.55% for PPLNS compared to the 3% paid at BTC Guild.  I for one have no problem paying fees because someone has to pay to keep the servers going to process all the shares that we submit.  Below is a link to the fees ghash charges.

https://cex.io/maintenance
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January 15, 2014, 12:03:08 AM
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Also Ghasheeo is not 0 fee.  Others are paying the fee for the freeloaders.  If I were a fee payer I would be irritated by their allowing freeloaders on my dime.  Of course the extra hash rate does lower the variance, that is important to many.  Still that is that pools choice.

I don't see how people using the market service and paying fees there has anything to do with the pool being 0 fee.
It's 2 different services after all. How hard is that to comprehend?
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I called subsidy.

They could not do that if they did not have their own high end ASIC's and people paying for their other products and services.  If I were a paying customer I would not be ok with it.  But I'm not and I guess it is ok with they paying customers they do have.

All I am saying there is no such thing as something for nothing.

Why is that so hard to comprehend? Smiley

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