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January 03, 2014, 11:40:14 PM
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I have tried Eligius and your pool and I feel I have better results with you. A question about setting difficulty, mine is currently set at the default of 2. Should I increase the setting or is it automatically optomized? Running BFG and hashing at 220gh.
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January 03, 2014, 11:53:49 PM
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WOW... pretty new to mining and was making about .12 a day and after the difficulty jump and last nights good luck down to .05. On the plus side my shares jumped about 20% last night. Cheesy

Yeah.  I think it's worse when you have a solid run of good luck then a really bad run of luck *and* a difficulty change.  It exaggerates the drop of earnings for miners who weren't aware that the previous 24-hours were above what they should expect.   Going from 100% to 50% of earnings for a day sucks.  Going from ~140% to 50% sucks more.

So make it easier for miners to be aware. You acknowledge the issue, yet you don't seem to be very enthusiastic about making something about it.
I am yet to hear a good reason why you have made it impossible to see pool luck for an arbitrary length of time.

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January 04, 2014, 12:28:03 AM
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WOW... pretty new to mining and was making about .12 a day and after the difficulty jump and last nights good luck down to .05. On the plus side my shares jumped about 20% last night. Cheesy

Yeah.  I think it's worse when you have a solid run of good luck then a really bad run of luck *and* a difficulty change.  It exaggerates the drop of earnings for miners who weren't aware that the previous 24-hours were above what they should expect.   Going from 100% to 50% of earnings for a day sucks.  Going from ~140% to 50% sucks more.

So make it easier for miners to be aware.

He just did.

You acknowledge the issue

The normal functioning of Bitcoin, mining, luck, and difficulty changes are NOT an "issue" but the normal way of it's functioning.

Just curious, have you made the rounds to harassing all of the pool ops?  I would hate to think you missed someone.

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January 04, 2014, 12:39:33 AM
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WOW... pretty new to mining and was making about .12 a day and after the difficulty jump and last nights good luck down to .05. On the plus side my shares jumped about 20% last night. Cheesy

Yeah.  I think it's worse when you have a solid run of good luck then a really bad run of luck *and* a difficulty change.  It exaggerates the drop of earnings for miners who weren't aware that the previous 24-hours were above what they should expect.   Going from 100% to 50% of earnings for a day sucks.  Going from ~140% to 50% sucks more.

So make it easier for miners to be aware.

He just did.

You acknowledge the issue

The normal functioning of Bitcoin, mining, luck, and difficulty changes are NOT an "issue" but the normal way of it's functioning.

Just curious, have you made the rounds to harassing all of the pool ops?  I would hate to think you missed someone.

Did you put your cape when you got out today to be the hero, that protect innocent pool ops from people who ask valid questions, ops I mean harass them?

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January 04, 2014, 12:41:37 AM
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The pool op can do what ever he feels is necessary, not what you think is necessary. So unless you want the source code for this pool, cause you basically ask every question imaginable move along.

BTW i am sure if you ask real nicely, Eleuthria might even change the name of the pool to what "you" think it should be. Seeing you have a problem with "everything" he does.

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January 04, 2014, 12:46:59 AM
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The pool op can do what ever he feels is necessary, not what you think is necessary. So unless you want the source code for this pool, cause you basically ask every question imaginable move along.

BTW i am sure if you ask real nicely, Eleuthria might even change the name of the pool to what "you" think it should be. Seeing you have a problem with "everything" he does.

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I think I will wait for him to decide if he wants to be part of this discussion, but thank you for your opinion Smiley

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January 04, 2014, 12:55:30 AM
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I have tried Eligius and your pool and I feel I have better results with you. A question about setting difficulty, mine is currently set at the default of 2. Should I increase the setting or is it automatically optomized? Running BFG and hashing at 220gh.

The pool uses variable difficulty with the same target rate as pretty much every pool.  Setting a minimum difficulty is useful for high speed miners (I'd consider anything above 100 GH/s to be "high speed" these days).  Some miners don't smoothly accept work restart messages, so when the difficulty is being ramped up by vardiff you might lose a little speed for the first 30 seconds to a minute or so.  It should be negligible, but I know some ASICs used to have issues when using default difficulty settings on pools because of how fast they were having to communicate share submissions.

If your worker is specifically for the 200+ GH/s miner, I'd recommend you put your minimum to 128.

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January 04, 2014, 03:51:35 AM
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CYPER, you are a fascinating combination of phenomenally-high maintenance and self-centeredness. There's a heaping spoonful of entitlement mixed in, too. It really boggles my mind to read what you consider to be appropriate comments.
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January 04, 2014, 05:53:25 AM
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CYPER, you are a fascinating combination of phenomenally-high maintenance and self-centeredness. There's a heaping spoonful of entitlement mixed in, too. It really boggles my mind to read what you consider to be appropriate comments.

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I'm sick of reading posts by that asshole. Go and fuck off back into whatever hole you came from Cyper.

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January 04, 2014, 06:01:44 AM
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CYPER, you are a fascinating combination of phenomenally-high maintenance and self-centeredness. There's a heaping spoonful of entitlement mixed in, too. It really boggles my mind to read what you consider to be appropriate comments.

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I'm sick of reading posts by that asshole. Go and fuck off back into whatever hole you came from Cyper.

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January 04, 2014, 06:04:38 AM
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CYPER, you are a fascinating combination of phenomenally-high maintenance and self-centeredness. There's a heaping spoonful of entitlement mixed in, too. It really boggles my mind to read what you consider to be appropriate comments.

+1

I'm sick of reading posts by that asshole. Go and fuck off back into whatever hole you came from Cyper.

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January 04, 2014, 09:57:01 PM
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Would it be too much trouble to add a nmc table to the payout & withdrawals section? just askin'.

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January 04, 2014, 10:17:00 PM
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I have tried Eligius and your pool and I feel I have better results with you. A question about setting difficulty, mine is currently set at the default of 2. Should I increase the setting or is it automatically optomized? Running BFG and hashing at 220gh.

The pool uses variable difficulty with the same target rate as pretty much every pool.  Setting a minimum difficulty is useful for high speed miners (I'd consider anything above 100 GH/s to be "high speed" these days).  Some miners don't smoothly accept work restart messages, so when the difficulty is being ramped up by vardiff you might lose a little speed for the first 30 seconds to a minute or so.  It should be negligible, but I know some ASICs used to have issues when using default difficulty settings on pools because of how fast they were having to communicate share submissions.

If your worker is specifically for the 200+ GH/s miner, I'd recommend you put your minimum to 128.

Thanks for the reply. Is there any advantage to increasing the difficulty ie. more shares possible?
And one last question I am trying to understand how the Mined coin is distributed. I am using shift 13614 as an example. It shows 3 blocks total coin awarded 73, Paid to shift 7.26 where did the other 65.74 coins go? do they go to users on PPS or does the pool keep them? Thanks in advance
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January 04, 2014, 10:22:58 PM
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I have tried Eligius and your pool and I feel I have better results with you. A question about setting difficulty, mine is currently set at the default of 2. Should I increase the setting or is it automatically optomized? Running BFG and hashing at 220gh.

The pool uses variable difficulty with the same target rate as pretty much every pool.  Setting a minimum difficulty is useful for high speed miners (I'd consider anything above 100 GH/s to be "high speed" these days).  Some miners don't smoothly accept work restart messages, so when the difficulty is being ramped up by vardiff you might lose a little speed for the first 30 seconds to a minute or so.  It should be negligible, but I know some ASICs used to have issues when using default difficulty settings on pools because of how fast they were having to communicate share submissions.

If your worker is specifically for the 200+ GH/s miner, I'd recommend you put your minimum to 128.

Thanks for the reply. Is there any advantage to increasing the difficulty ie. more shares possible?
And one last question I am trying to understand how the Mined coin is distributed. I am using shift 13614 as an example. It shows 3 blocks total coin awarded 73, Paid to shift 7.26 where did the other 65.74 coins go? do they go to users on PPS or does the pool keep them? Thanks in advance

I can help with the difficulty question.  I'll explain a few things that should help you understand it.  First of all, if the difficulty is too low for the hashpower you are putting on it, you'll be hammering the server with more data than is necessary, and you'll be using more bandwidth on both your side and the server's side.  If the difficulty is too high, you'll experience extreme variance, meaning you may not get a share for hours.  The "sweet spot" is somewhere in the middle.  You're generally safe following the server's recommendations for difficulty.  You should set it to what the websute recommends, but if you set it too low, it will auto adjust to what the operator has determined to be the "sweet" spot.  Another reason to set the initial difficulty properly is some ASICs have difficulty ramping up to higher difficulties.

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January 04, 2014, 10:34:16 PM
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And one last question I am trying to understand how the Mined coin is distributed. I am using shift 13614 as an example. It shows 3 blocks total coin awarded 73, Paid to shift 7.26 where did the other 65.74 coins go? do they go to users on PPS or does the pool keep them?

They go to the previous 10 shifts, not just the one.

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January 04, 2014, 10:37:17 PM
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And one last question I am trying to understand how the Mined coin is distributed. I am using shift 13614 as an example. It shows 3 blocks total coin awarded 73, Paid to shift 7.26 where did the other 65.74 coins go? do they go to users on PPS or does the pool keep them? Thanks in advance

Blocks are paid across the 10 open shifts, in order to smooth out variance across the shifts/shares.  So each shift gets *approximately* 10% of the block reward.  It varies slightly because the cutoff is checked every 20 seconds, so one shift might be 2.00b shares even, another might be 2.07b shares.  The reward is weighted so that the block reward given to each *share* is the same across those 10 shifts.

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January 04, 2014, 10:45:22 PM
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Thanks and Thanks a light bulb just turned on for me.
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January 04, 2014, 11:39:40 PM
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CYPER, you are a fascinating combination of phenomenally-high maintenance and self-centeredness. There's a heaping spoonful of entitlement mixed in, too. It really boggles my mind to read what you consider to be appropriate comments.

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I'm sick of reading posts by that asshole. Go and fuck off back into whatever hole you came from Cyper.

Your mother should be really proud of you. Retards are usually quite in nature, but you are quite outspoken.

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January 04, 2014, 11:40:29 PM
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Would it be too much trouble to add a nmc table to the payout & withdrawals section? just askin'.

The admin has selective reading and replying, so don't hold your breath for any changes.

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Noob question here, eleuthria, but enabling NMC mining does not subtract from my BTC earnings, does it?  Huh
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