[ANNOUNCE] Electrum - Lightweight Bitcoin Client

[Lumpy]

Yup, install script completes successfully now on Windows.

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[Tuxavant]

Tipped (from my vanity). Lovin it!

[ThomasV]

Tipped (from my vanity). Lovin it!

thanks!

[Tuxavant]

Another feature for the roadmap...

Update notifications. Perhaps a popup when you start and some feature/fix notes in the server wall?

[Lumpy]

Could you add an at-a-glance way to see the current block number -- perhaps in the lower right corner?

[anu]

So you just saying google predicted how many estimated titles their are? I can throw out a big number too (sarcasum)

So then the average user probubly have nothing to worry about as not many people to my knowledge have access to search against the google book database with bitcoin seeds and i doubt those who have the entire google book database will only attack those wallets with high amounts of value in it(which if this is the case i doubt someone/entity would use a sentence from a book and would instead use a randomly generated password that is like a million characters in length)

I am saying it is not safe to use a sentence from a book as your seed. Do not do that. Never.

Do not trust people who tell you that you can safely derive the seed yourself. Train your memory and learn a purely random seed.

Great idea. How about:

สมาค lobebæren Nabla Uhuru 日本 agricola למים playa voiture βoυνό paßßword bäd

Surely, no one will ever remove those Bitcoins from their address again. Not even me.

Seriously, it's easy to find something as secure as your stuff, Thomas, or even more so:  Just find 2 sentences that relate to you and only you. Then add some garbage, such as spelling errors. Or replace one word of your sentence by it's 17031988*md5sum, where 17.03.1988 is your birthdate. Or come up with some other source of noise that's easy to remember for you, but impossible to guess for a cracker.

[flatfly]

Could you add an at-a-glance way to see the current block number -- perhaps in the lower right corner?

Yeah, this. And if possible, it would be real nice to also include this info for each server,
in the connection dialog. So we can easily tell if a server isn't up to date.

[flatfly]

There's a cosmetic bug with the context menu sometimes popping up in a random screen location (outside of the electrum GUI window)...  I've encountered it twice already. Anyone else had this too?

[ThomasV]

There's a cosmetic bug with the context menu sometimes popping up in a random screen location (outside of the electrum GUI window)...  I've encountered it twice already. Anyone else had this too?

I never had that.
how did you trigger the menu? with the mouse, by pressing enter, or with the menu key?

edit: oh, ok, I get it. with enter, when the current item is not visible below the screen.
edit2: ok, that's fixed. thanks for reporting it.

[flatfly]

There's a cosmetic bug with the context menu sometimes popping up in a random screen location (outside of the electrum GUI window)...  I've encountered it twice already. Anyone else had this too?

I never had that.
how did you trigger the menu? with the mouse, by pressing enter, or with the menu key?

edit: oh, ok, I get it. with enter, when the current item is not visible below the screen.
edit2: ok, that's fixed. thanks for reporting it.

Hmm seems the bug is still there... And seems specific to the History tab.

Here's how I can reproduce it (on Windows):
1. exit Electrum if it's running
2. launch Electrum
3. just right-click on a history entry

[ThomasV]

Great idea. How about:

สมาค lobebæren Nabla Uhuru 日本 agricola למים playa voiture βoυνό paßßword bäd

Surely, no one will ever remove those Bitcoins from their address again. Not even me.

Seriously, it's easy to find something as secure as your stuff, Thomas, or even more so:  Just find 2 sentences that relate to you and only you. Then add some garbage, such as spelling errors. Or replace one word of your sentence by it's 17031988*md5sum, where 17.03.1988 is your birthdate. Or come up with some other source of noise that's easy to remember for you, but impossible to guess for a cracker.

Tell me, what's your goal, exactly?
I guess you are not requesting a new feature, because it's already possible to do what you say with the current client.

So, perhaps you want me to say "yes, users can derive their seed themselves, and this method is officially approved by the developers"? Is that what you want? or are you just a troll?

I did not say that you cannot derive a seed that can resist an attack. But I hope that you will agree with me that there exists a fraction of users that are not as smart as you are. Some of these users could, by following your principles, end up being robbed. Do they deserve to lose their money just because they are not as smart as you?

[ThomasV]

Hmm seems the bug is still there... And seems specific to the History tab.

Here's how I can reproduce it (on Windows):
1. exit Electrum if it's running
2. launch Electrum
3. just right-click on a history entry

I cannot reproduce that.
question: on fresh startup, is there an item highlighted in the list?

[flatfly]

Hmm seems the bug is still there... And seems specific to the History tab.

Here's how I can reproduce it (on Windows):
1. exit Electrum if it's running
2. launch Electrum
3. just right-click on a history entry

I cannot reproduce that.
question: on fresh startup, is there an item highlighted in the list?

Yes, at startup, the top history entry is highlighted.

Perhaps this will help you find the root cause:
If I switch to another tab (for instance, contacts), right-click an item there,
then come back to the history tab and right-click an item, the menu appears at the normal position.

[ThomasV]

Yes, at startup, the top history entry is highlighted.

Perhaps this will help you find the root cause:
If I switch to another tab (for instance, contacts), right-click an item there,
then come back to the history tab and right-click an item, the menu appears at the normal position.

no idea what causes that; I do not see this problem on linux.

if thats too much of an annoyance, you can replace MyTreeWidget with the parent class QTreeWidget

[flatfly]

Yes, at startup, the top history entry is highlighted.

Perhaps this will help you find the root cause:
If I switch to another tab (for instance, contacts), right-click an item there,
then come back to the history tab and right-click an item, the menu appears at the normal position.

no idea what causes that; I do not see this problem on linux.

if thats too much of an annoyance, you can replace MyTreeWidget with the parent class QTreeWidget

thanks, will try that.

EDIT: couldn't fix it (yet)

[anu]

Tell me, what's your goal, exactly?
I guess you are not requesting a new feature, because it's already possible to do what you say with the current client.

So, perhaps you want me to say "yes, users can derive their seed themselves, and this method is officially approved by the developers"? Is that what you want? or are you just a troll?

I did not say that you cannot derive a seed that can resist an attack. But I hope that you will agree with me that there exists a fraction of users that are not as smart as you are. Some of these users could, by following your principles, end up being robbed. Do they deserve to lose their money just because they are not as smart as you?

Just feel free to give me more ad hominem if that pleases you.

[Lumpy]

I can confirm what flatfly found regarding the menu. Maybe it's a Windows-only issue?

[ThomasV]

I can confirm what flatfly found regarding the menu. Maybe it's a Windows-only issue?

maybe.
what happens if you pick an item in that menu (for example 'edit description')?
specifically, does it edit the transaction where your mouse clicked, or the first of the list, or another one?

[flatfly]

I can confirm what flatfly found regarding the menu. Maybe it's a Windows-only issue?

maybe.
what happens if you pick an item in that menu (for example 'edit description')?
specifically, does it edit the transaction where your mouse clicked, or the first of the list, or another one?

it edits the highlighted transaction, as expected.
another finding: just simply switching to the contacts tab and then back to the history tab fixes the behavior. (it has to be the contacts tab specifically)

There has to be something that the contacts tab is doing that the history tab isn't.

Note that the behavior is exactly the same whether the context menu is triggered by mouse or keyboard.

[ThomasV]

it edits the highlighted transaction, as expected.

highlighted by the mouse click I guess, not highlighted before?

another finding: just simply switching to the contacts tab and then back to the history tab fixes the behavior. (it has to be the contacts tab specifically)

There has to be something that the contacts tab is doing that the history tab isn't.

Note that the behavior is exactly the same whether the context menu is triggered by mouse or keyboard.

there are two ways to trigger the menu from keyboard: the menu key and the enter key
(the purpose of MyTreeWidget is to launch it with the enter key)
do you observe a difference between these two methods?