ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod]

[JSRAW]

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Yeah you are right. Some board might even put Unmukt Chand kind of example that how he had to leave India and join the ranks in the USA cricket.
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The problem here in India is that we have too much talent. There is only one cricket team to represent 1.4 billion people (on the other hand, the cricket team of Bermuda has played the world cup and they have a population of just 70,000). So obviously a lot of talented players like Umukt Chand have no option other than to immigrate to another country, if they want to play international cricket. The ICC has made a mockery of the eligibility rules. Anyone who has arrived in another country on a 6-month tourist visa can play for that country. Teams like Oman and UAE are fielding teams that are 100% comprised of Indian and Pakistani nationals. Given this, why can't the ICC add a couple of additional teams from India to the world cup? They can name them as India B or India C.

Every other board will vote against it, may be BCCI too lol so i don't think its going to happen ever. The best BCCI could do is organize India B and C foreign tours, which they already do with India A. In longer run i see cricket in India (T-20 or T-10) to shape like MLB (Baseball).

Right now, ICC have no choice because they are doing some good marketing but still have no results which they were expecting just because of this they are allowing few countries with foreign players hopefully in near future they will have some better local players.

ICC is doing nothing for the marketing. One major example is their copyright drama on video footage and highlights. Its very painful to find any major highlights because there is virtually no footage in the internet. They even block clips for specified zeo location. How are they going to attract kids when they can't find any clips-highlights on youtube and other social media platform.

[Webetcoins]

ICC is doing nothing for the marketing. One major example is their copyright drama on video footage and highlights. Its very painful to find any major highlights because there is virtually no footage in the internet. They even block clips for specified zeo location. How are they going to attract kids when they can't find any clips-highlights on youtube and other social media platform.

You are right they are just bench of greedy peoples those have nothing affair with this game just having their money is enough for them but still we need some good marketing tactics and their better results for this game.
I love your this idea also if Indian sports authorities works like this system, and they are able to run few big sports in local level with MLB shape surely this will give some great benefit to many youths and also help Indian economy.

This is also really booster for many youths those right now unable to show their talent on gross routs even it's not easy for them, but they can start from one sport like cricket and then bring few other sports also in this category.

[pakhitheboss]

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Yeah you are right. Some board might even put Unmukt Chand kind of example that how he had to leave India and join the ranks in the USA cricket.
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The problem here in India is that we have too much talent. There is only one cricket team to represent 1.4 billion people (on the other hand, the cricket team of Bermuda has played the world cup and they have a population of just 70,000). So obviously a lot of talented players like Umukt Chand have no option other than to immigrate to another country, if they want to play international cricket. The ICC has made a mockery of the eligibility rules. Anyone who has arrived in another country on a 6-month tourist visa can play for that country. Teams like Oman and UAE are fielding teams that are 100% comprised of Indian and Pakistani nationals. Given this, why can't the ICC add a couple of additional teams from India to the world cup? They can name them as India B or India C.

This is not India's problem there are too many talents present in Pakistan, Bangladesh and Srilanka too. They all have one team too and their leagues do not help those new talents. Indians still have IPL but you cannot accommodate all that talent in one single tournament. It is good that these players are getting the opportunity to play overseas and such things should be encouraged.

[JSRAW]

ICC is doing nothing for the marketing. One major example is their copyright drama on video footage and highlights. Its very painful to find any major highlights because there is virtually no footage in the internet. They even block clips for specified zeo location. How are they going to attract kids when they can't find any clips-highlights on youtube and other social media platform.

You are right they are just bench of greedy peoples those have nothing affair with this game just having their money is enough for them but still we need some good marketing tactics and their better results for this game.
I love your this idea also if Indian sports authorities works like this system, and they are able to run few big sports in local level with MLB shape surely this will give some great benefit to many youths and also help Indian economy.

This is also really booster for many youths those right now unable to show their talent on gross routs even it's not easy for them, but they can start from one sport like cricket and then bring few other sports also in this category.

Like everybody else i also avoid taking hypocrite approach when it comes to money, so i won't paint ICC or any board as a just Greedy. Yes they are greedy but they need to be innovative when spreading the game, i can understand some sort of restriction here n there because of their contract with the sponsors but complete ban on a highlights is ridiculous imo.  

My reading is that they are very comfortable with the current setup where they can keep milking Indian market in absence of competition from the other sports, after all India is fanatic country when it comes to cricket. BCCI is exactly same in this regard, they both run their own sites and apps for the highlights. ECB, CA,SLC,PCB are 100% times better when showcasing highlights etc, although watching live intl cricket is painful in Aus and Eng due to tv rights, just to give you example Australia didn't even bother to telecast Aus vs Ban series last month.

Only practical solution would be if other sports start giving competition to the Cricket in India, only then there is a possibility of BCCI start being careful when signing contracts with the sponsors. ICC would follow the same because majority of the sponsors are from India.

[Sithara007]

Every other board will vote against it, may be BCCI too lol so i don't think its going to happen ever. The best BCCI could do is organize India B and C foreign tours, which they already do with India A. In longer run i see cricket in India (T-20 or T-10) to shape like MLB (Baseball).

Foreign tours for India B and C are already going on. But what I am suggesting is different. For example, why can't we replace Oman team in the current T20 World Cup with a India B team? Oman team anyway doesn't have any Omani citizens. All the players are "imported" from countries like India. So instead of them, why can't we include another team from India? For the ICC, the revenues will skyrocket. I am 100% sure that no one in Oman supports the cricket team, as it doesn't contain native players. But if there is another team from India, then there can be huge growth in revenues for the TV broadcasters. India is like the goose that lays golden eggs for the ICC. They need to utilize them to the maximum.

[pakhitheboss]

Every other board will vote against it, may be BCCI too lol so i don't think its going to happen ever. The best BCCI could do is organize India B and C foreign tours, which they already do with India A. In longer run i see cricket in India (T-20 or T-10) to shape like MLB (Baseball).

Foreign tours for India B and C are already going on. But what I am suggesting is different. For example, why can't we replace Oman team in the current T20 World Cup with a India B team? Oman team anyway doesn't have any Omani citizens. All the players are "imported" from countries like India. So instead of them, why can't we include another team from India? For the ICC, the revenues will skyrocket. I am 100% sure that no one in Oman supports the cricket team, as it doesn't contain native players. But if there is another team from India, then there can be huge growth in revenues for the TV broadcasters. India is like the goose that lays golden eggs for the ICC. They need to utilize them to the maximum.

How is that even possible? Oman has its own cricket board. They are importing players for now and in coming years they will have a lot of local talents. Do not forget there are many South-East Asians working in that country. Anyways those players are getting paid well and their performance is not that bad at all.

[JSRAW]

Every other board will vote against it, may be BCCI too lol so i don't think its going to happen ever. The best BCCI could do is organize India B and C foreign tours, which they already do with India A. In longer run i see cricket in India (T-20 or T-10) to shape like MLB (Baseball).

Foreign tours for India B and C are already going on. But what I am suggesting is different. For example, why can't we replace Oman team in the current T20 World Cup with a India B team? Oman team anyway doesn't have any Omani citizens. All the players are "imported" from countries like India. So instead of them, why can't we include another team from India? For the ICC, the revenues will skyrocket. I am 100% sure that no one in Oman supports the cricket team, as it doesn't contain native players. But if there is another team from India, then there can be huge growth in revenues for the TV broadcasters. India is like the goose that lays golden eggs for the ICC. They need to utilize them to the maximum.

Like i said earlier, i believe that other boards will oppose this idea because this decision will allow BCCI to increase their hegemony in the cricketing world more. BCCI might also reject this proposal because we have to remember that  majority of earning from the ICC tournaments goes to the ICC and divided into everyone, BCCI share already took a big hit when BIG 3 financial system was voted down.

BCCI won't like their financial resources to burn out just to strengthen ICC, they would prefer using this extra resources (sponsors-revenue) in the IPL instead, so that IPL franchise can emerge as new unicorns in the near future similar to MLB teams. Majority of teams in the MLB are worth Billion dollars each. CSK is about to hit the Billion dollar market cap soon, i guess.

There are couple of more scenario like BCCI getting lion share from the ICC earning or BCCI taking over the ICC completely, then why only 2 teams BCCI can introduce all IPL franchises into the WC lol.

[Sithara007]

How is that even possible? Oman has its own cricket board. They are importing players for now and in coming years they will have a lot of local talents. Do not forget there are many South-East Asians working in that country. Anyways those players are getting paid well and their performance is not that bad at all.

Oman has been importing players ever since the cricket board was formed in 1979. During the last 42 years, they have failed to field even a single Omani citizen in the national squad. So how can you say that in the future they will have "local talent"? I have seen Oman playing against Bangladesh and Scotland. There was not even a single Omani supporter at the stadium (don't forget that the matches took place in Oman). I don't have a problem with the players getting good salary. But they have no connection to Oman.

[Lordshiva]

How is that even possible? Oman has its own cricket board. They are importing players for now and in coming years they will have a lot of local talents. Do not forget there are many South-East Asians working in that country. Anyways those players are getting paid well and their performance is not that bad at all.

Oman has been importing players ever since the cricket board was formed in 1979. During the last 42 years, they have failed to field even a single Omani citizen in the national squad. So how can you say that in the future they will have "local talent"? I have seen Oman playing against Bangladesh and Scotland. There was not even a single Omani supporter at the stadium (don't forget that the matches took place in Oman). I don't have a problem with the players getting good salary. But they have no connection to Oman.

Yes exactly if there is not even a single local in the Oman national team it means local talent is not great there. They are importing players from other countries and pays them some  good amount so they come. They need to run some kind of campaign to promote cricket among local peoples.

[Juggy777]

How is that even possible? Oman has its own cricket board. They are importing players for now and in coming years they will have a lot of local talents. Do not forget there are many South-East Asians working in that country. Anyways those players are getting paid well and their performance is not that bad at all.

Oman has been importing players ever since the cricket board was formed in 1979. During the last 42 years, they have failed to field even a single Omani citizen in the national squad. So how can you say that in the future they will have "local talent"? I have seen Oman playing against Bangladesh and Scotland. There was not even a single Omani supporter at the stadium (don't forget that the matches took place in Oman). I don't have a problem with the players getting good salary. But they have no connection to Oman.

Yes exactly if there is not even a single local in the Oman national team it means local talent is not great there. They are importing players from other countries and pays them some  good amount so they come. They need to run some kind of campaign to promote cricket among local peoples.

@Lordshiva this was discussed a while back here, and I too was surprised on learning this fact, and the only way their citizens will get excited if they beat some big team or enter a global tournament. However both seem impossible to happen, and until then I really doubt any local citizen would be keen to play a sport which is not supported by their own fellow citizens.

[TheGreatPython]

Yes exactly if there is not even a single local in the Oman national team it means local talent is not great there. They are importing players from other countries and pays them some  good amount so they come. They need to run some kind of campaign to promote cricket among local peoples.

@Lordshiva this was discussed a while back here, and I too was surprised on learning this fact, and the only way their citizens will get excited if they beat some big team or enter a global tournament. However both seem impossible to happen, and until then I really doubt any local citizen would be keen to play a sport which is not supported by their own fellow citizens.

This was already discussed on many platforms, but sadly ICC completely fail to bring any solution for this, but I am feeling they need to have some stick policy for this because I am feeling it's awful all foreign players are allowed to represent a country where they have no citizenship.

ICC needs to implement policy like we have in IPL minimum 4 local players and 6 others than any team could be able to participate in any big event because this will create more interest otherwise it's never been fair and good for game that local players are not involved in this game. Transparency is more important for this game instead of money and poor policies.

[eaLiTy]

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Yes exactly if there is not even a single local in the Oman national team it means local talent is not great there. They are importing players from other countries and pays them some  good amount so they come. They need to run some kind of campaign to promote cricket among local peoples.

The Arabs love Football but you cannot expect them to play cricket, i used to play for a few Cricket clubs in the UAE when i was there representing a few companies which i was not even working just for fun and you cannot find any Arabs playing Cricket and the majority of the players comes from India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and Afghanistan and if you are interested in playing you will find many clubs and if you are good you will be picked to play and might take you to tournaments and there are many grounds to play Cricket.

[Sithara007]

The Arabs love Football but you cannot expect them to play cricket, i used to play for a few Cricket clubs in the UAE when i was there representing a few companies which i was not even working just for fun and you cannot find any Arabs playing Cricket and the majority of the players comes from India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and Afghanistan and if you are interested in playing you will find many clubs and if you are good you will be picked to play and might take you to tournaments and there are many grounds to play Cricket.

Previously teams like Oman and Kuwait used to recruit players from the Pakistanis and Indians residing in these countries. But now they are directly recruiting first-class players from the sub-continent. They just give an employment offer to these players so that they qualify for the residence requirement and then pack the national team with foreigners. The problem here is that teams that are dependent on native players (Kenya, Nepal, Thailand, Japan, Papua New Guinea.etc) suffer because of these mercenary teams. There should be a limit of 4-5 foreigners in the playing XI.

[Minor Miner]

Yes exactly if there is not even a single local in the Oman national team it means local talent is not great there. They are importing players from other countries and pays them some  good amount so they come. They need to run some kind of campaign to promote cricket among local peoples.

@Lordshiva this was discussed a while back here, and I too was surprised on learning this fact, and the only way their citizens will get excited if they beat some big team or enter a global tournament. However both seem impossible to happen, and until then I really doubt any local citizen would be keen to play a sport which is not supported by their own fellow citizens.

This was already discussed on many platforms, but sadly ICC completely fail to bring any solution for this, but I am feeling they need to have some stick policy for this because I am feeling it's awful all foreign players are allowed to represent a country where they have no citizenship.

ICC needs to implement policy like we have in IPL minimum 4 local players and 6 others than any team could be able to participate in any big event because this will create more interest otherwise it's never been fair and good for game that local players are not involved in this game. Transparency is more important for this game instead of money and poor policies.

Yes, this is so relatable to me because a while ago even Bangladesh cricket was not so popular among the Bangladeshis. So the parents also didn't encourage their children to play cricket and take it as a profession. This is a big reason why a lot of young talent got washed away. But times have changed and now kids are encouraged to play cricket. This was possible due to some great achievements by Bangladesh cricket. As the team achieved more, people got more interested and the budget for the Bangladesh cricket board got bigger. So I think if Oman could achieve something great in a short amount of time, people there would be more interested in cricket.

[blatchcorn]

Previously teams like Oman and Kuwait used to recruit players from the Pakistanis and Indians residing in these countries. But now they are directly recruiting first-class players from the sub-continent. They just give an employment offer to these players so that they qualify for the residence requirement and then pack the national team with foreigners. The problem here is that teams that are dependent on native players (Kenya, Nepal, Thailand, Japan, Papua New Guinea.etc) suffer because of these mercenary teams. There should be a limit of 4-5 foreigners in the playing XI.

I was viewing profiles of Oman players on espncricinfo.com and to my surprise there is hardly a single player that is born in Oman, majority of them are from Pakistan. Again only ICC can interfere and resolve this issue but we haven't seen role of ICC in resolving any conflict, so this will also go unnoticed.
B/w congrats to Namibia for making it to the WCT20. They restricted IRE to 125 because of good spell from Jan Frylinck and David Wiese.
While Netherlands recorded second lowest total in T20I of 44.

[eaLiTy]

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Previously teams like Oman and Kuwait used to recruit players from the Pakistanis and Indians residing in these countries. But now they are directly recruiting first-class players from the sub-continent. They just give an employment offer to these players so that they qualify for the residence requirement and then pack the national team with foreigners. The problem here is that teams that are dependent on native players (Kenya, Nepal, Thailand, Japan, Papua New Guinea.etc) suffer because of these mercenary teams. There should be a limit of 4-5 foreigners in the playing XI.

It is true that the players in GCC teams are not even having citizenship status and all you need is to live in the country for 4 years and the ICC have given them a exception in the name of developing Cricket and the average salary of the players is 25k AED which is a good pay scale considering how much other professionals earn even with years of experience .

[pakhitheboss]

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Previously teams like Oman and Kuwait used to recruit players from the Pakistanis and Indians residing in these countries. But now they are directly recruiting first-class players from the sub-continent. They just give an employment offer to these players so that they qualify for the residence requirement and then pack the national team with foreigners. The problem here is that teams that are dependent on native players (Kenya, Nepal, Thailand, Japan, Papua New Guinea.etc) suffer because of these mercenary teams. There should be a limit of 4-5 foreigners in the playing XI.

It is true that the players in GCC teams are not even having citizenship status and all you need is to live in the country for 4 years and the ICC have given them a exception in the name of developing Cricket and the average salary of the players is 25k AED which is a good pay scale considering how much other professionals earn even with years of experience .

Yes, this is because Gulf countries do not grant citizenship to any individual except an Arab. You can work and have a permanent residence their but you will still not get citizenship in that country. I think only most of them follow the same principal with some exceptions.

[Sithara007]

It is true that the players in GCC teams are not even having citizenship status and all you need is to live in the country for 4 years and the ICC have given them a exception in the name of developing Cricket and the average salary of the players is 25k AED which is a good pay scale considering how much other professionals earn even with years of experience .

I am not sure about this residence requirement of 4 years. From what I heard, the ICC reduced it to 6 months some time ago. If it had remained at 4 years, then none of the Omani players would qualify to represent that country. There was only one instance of a GCC nation fielding a team that was entirely comprised of citizens. When the Kuwaiti team participated in Asian Games, all the 11 members of the playing XI were Arabs (as per the rules of Asian Games, non-citizens can't represent a country). And here is the result:

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/asian-games-men-s-cricket-competition-2014-15-777895/bangladesh-vs-kuwait-4th-quarter-final-778035/full-scorecard

[jostorres]

I am not sure about this residence requirement of 4 years. From what I heard, the ICC reduced it to 6 months some time ago. If it had remained at 4 years, then none of the Omani players would qualify to represent that country. There was only one instance of a GCC nation fielding a team that was entirely comprised of citizens. When the Kuwaiti team participated in Asian Games, all the 11 members of the playing XI were Arabs (as per the rules of Asian Games, non-citizens can't represent a country). And here is the result:

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/asian-games-men-s-cricket-competition-2014-15-777895/bangladesh-vs-kuwait-4th-quarter-final-778035/full-scorecard

There is no change of rules for anyone still ICC need 4 years living in country, and it's working all Omani players are living in this country for years, and now they are eligible for playing here in this Mega event. As for Asian Games they have their own rules and regulations which apply for them, just because of this, Kuwait have to send their own players for this event.

These rules are applied for many other sports associations as well because they feel much better with them.    https://www.usacricket.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/ICC_Player_Eligibility_Rules.pdf   

[Sithara007]

^^^ OK.. here is how the eligibility criteria in cricket compares to that of other sports.



Among the major sports, only baseball has a relaxed system similar to cricket (which is understandable given the fact that baseball is mostly limited to the United States). Foorball, Basketball and Ice Hockey doesn't allow foreigners to be included in the playing XI.