ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod]

[kro55]

Who is the captain of India in One day cricket right now ??
Virat kohli said that he is leaving the captaincy of india from t20 cricket only but every where in news I hear that Rohit is the new white ball captain for India. Why is that so I am a bit confused who will captain india in one day internationals virat kohli or rohit sharma.
What i feel is virat should be the captain of Indian team in the ODI cricket till 2023 world cup .

@CDC AP for now Virat is yet the ODI captain, but rumours are that he’ll soon be asked to step down from that position. Furthermore it’s only a rumour for now so let’s wait for the official confirmation, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he steps down immediately too due to BCCI pressure.

Currently, the ODI captain of India is Virat Kohli but BCCI seems really interested to replace him rate Rohit Sharma as a captain. I think that Rohit Sharma is a far better captain than Virat Kohli, and if India plays the next world cup under Rohit Sharma captaincy then they will do far better. Obviously, Virat Kohli is one of the best players in the world but that does not mean he has the capability of being a captain.

[CryptoBuds]

it should not be happening at least in a developed country like South Africa. It has been a problem for a lot of countries about the Caste system. But I also think that sometimes people take it too far. They think that they are being neglected because they are black but they are not actually being neglected. But that is not mostly the case. I think the selectors are there to judge who plays cricket better, not which color of player plays better.

South Africa is not a developed country they have some serious issues, and recently we watch on media how things are going the worst due to corruption and bad management.
Currently South African biggest issue is corruption after death of Nelson Mandela ANC is completely failure in many cases, so they are also failed to bringing some better way into this cricket if they started some better way from start and bring kids from high schools then surely they don't need this quota or anything related to this for encouraging black players but sadly their leadership have no plane for this and doing quota which never help anyone in all cases now it is badly killing game and having serious issues.

^ I don't understand why kids are not so much interested in cricket there because they have a lot of great players as examples. Kids should see them and dream of being in that position one day. But I think that you'll reason is cricket costs a lot more than football. In football, you just need a ball and you can enjoy the game. But in cricket previously you need bat ball stamps and wicket keeping gloves at least to play the game. This is a big reason why football is also much more popular than cricket.

South Africa is not a developed country they have some serious issues, and recently we watch on media how things are going the worst due to corruption and bad management.
Currently South African biggest issue is corruption after death of Nelson Mandela ANC is completely failure in many cases, so they are also failed to bringing some better way into this cricket if they started some better way from start and bring kids from high schools then surely they don't need this quota or anything related to this for encouraging black players but sadly their leadership have no plane for this and doing quota which never help anyone in all cases now it is badly killing game and having serious issues.

I beg to differ SA is in a far better position than most South Asian countries. As per my understanding, there are two major problems in SA. The first is corruption and the second one big economic inequality. SA cricket board is the most corrupted board in the world and this has caused the decline in SA cricket.

^That is true because I also think that South Africa is not doing that too bad economy-wise. It's because of the corruption that is happening on the board. Everyone thinks of money but no one thinks of making a good team. Maybe the board needs a full rework and new personnel.

I beg to differ SA is in a far better position than most South Asian countries. As per my understanding, there are two major problems in SA. The first is corruption and the second one big economic inequality. SA cricket board is the most corrupted board in the world and this has caused the decline in SA cricket.

Wherever there is money, automatically it gets to good development or it leads to such a negative side. Often we can see cricket boards having internal problems. In recent days the most corrupt being South Africa and West Indies. There is no racial act, West Indies struggled a lot to get their salaries. Finally senior players moved out of the team. Anyhow this can be organised and made to work flawless only if the government is ready to make a complete change of the management authorities.

^ Yes absolutely because without a complete change of personnel and also applying strict laws about some certain things is not possible to make a good team and have high hopes with it. Both West Indies and South Africa were wild class teams even a few years ago but now they look like history.

[JSRAW]

is yet the ODI captain, but rumours are that he’ll soon be asked to step down from that position. Furthermore it’s only a rumour for now so let’s wait for the official confirmation, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he steps down immediately too due to BCCI pressure.

Its official now.. BCCI also following Australia-England path of different format, different captain. Its seems logical decision as well considering they play ridiculous amount of cricket every year and schedule is jam packed. Let's hope Hitman does well.

[onecall123]

Who is the captain of India in One day cricket right now ??
Virat kohli said that he is leaving the captaincy of india from t20 cricket only but every where in news I hear that Rohit is the new white ball captain for India. Why is that so I am a bit confused who will captain india in one day internationals virat kohli or rohit sharma.
What i feel is virat should be the captain of Indian team in the ODI cricket till 2023 world cup .

@CDC AP for now Virat is yet the ODI captain, but rumours are that he’ll soon be asked to step down from that position. Furthermore it’s only a rumour for now so let’s wait for the official confirmation, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he steps down immediately too due to BCCI pressure.

Currently, the ODI captain of India is Virat Kohli but BCCI seems really interested to replace him rate Rohit Sharma as a captain. I think that Rohit Sharma is a far better captain than Virat Kohli, and if India plays the next world cup under Rohit Sharma captaincy then they will do far better. Obviously, Virat Kohli is one of the best players in the world but that does not mean he has the capability of being a captain.

Finally, BCCI announced the India ODI captain. India have named Rohit Sharma as their new ODI captain, replacing Virat Kohli. I think that was a logical decision. There is no doubt that Virat Kohli is one of the best cricketers in the world, but speaking of his captaincy, there is something missing and expectations aren't met. This is not to say that Kohli did not deserve that role. It was always believed somewhere that Rohit had a slight advantage over him when it came to limited overs.

[galambo]

Finally, BCCI announced the India ODI captain. India have named Rohit Sharma as their new ODI captain, replacing Virat Kohli. I think that was a logical decision. There is no doubt that Virat Kohli is one of the best cricketers in the world, but speaking of his captaincy, there is something missing and expectations aren't met. This is not to say that Kohli did not deserve that role. It was always believed somewhere that Rohit had a slight advantage over him when it came to limited overs.

I think its the result of bad performance of Indian cricket in recent T20 WC and as a result Kohli has to lose his captaincy. Kohli was good till this WC, I guess there was no news of new captain before the T20 WC, it all happen after the WC. Rohit Sharma real test will be in SA, as they will be playing outside India there.

[savetheFORUM]

I think its the result of bad performance of Indian cricket in recent T20 WC and as a result Kohli has to lose his captaincy. Kohli was good till this WC, I guess there was no news of new captain before the T20 WC, it all happen after the WC. Rohit Sharma real test will be in SA, as they will be playing outside India there.

This was in plan, but they were waiting for something, so it's happen in this T20 WC, and they have done these changes which are very good because now Kohli can play without any pressure and his performance can help Indian cricket team for having some better results. Rohit is also having some good experience in these both short formats, so hopefully now he will also be having good time as captain in coming T20 and ODI world cup.

With all new management and having coach like Dravid it is very good new era for Indian cricket which is going to start at very bad time when we have new wave of corona in South Africa, and they are travelling lest see what's happened for them here.

[mm2543363580]

This was in plan, but they were waiting for something, so it's happen in this T20 WC, and they have done these changes which are very good because now Kohli can play without any pressure and his performance can help Indian cricket team for having some better results. Rohit is also having some good experience in these both short formats, so hopefully now he will also be having good time as captain in coming T20 and ODI world cup.

With all new management and having coach like Dravid it is very good new era for Indian cricket which is going to start at very bad time when we have new wave of corona in South Africa, and they are travelling lest see what's happened for them here.

So it means now Rohit will play under the pressure of Captaincy? Any info about Ravi Shastri, is he completely fired from BCCI or still has some portfolio there? Man he is too good in commentary. I love to see him back on the commentary box. He and Late Tony Craig are my all time favorite. Cant wait to listen his commentary.

[TheGreatPython]

This was in plan, but they were waiting for something, so it's happen in this T20 WC, and they have done these changes which are very good because now Kohli can play without any pressure and his performance can help Indian cricket team for having some better results. Rohit is also having some good experience in these both short formats, so hopefully now he will also be having good time as captain in coming T20 and ODI world cup.

With all new management and having coach like Dravid it is very good new era for Indian cricket which is going to start at very bad time when we have new wave of corona in South Africa, and they are travelling lest see what's happened for them here.

So it means now Rohit will play under the pressure of Captaincy? Any info about Ravi Shastri, is he completely fired from BCCI or still has some portfolio there? Man he is too good in commentary. I love to see him back on the commentary box. He and Late Tony Craig are my all time favorite. Cant wait to listen his commentary.

I don't think he will feel pressure because he is naturally aggressive player and can handle situations very positively so in my view it's very good decision from BCCI with this Kohli will be more useful in these both short formats because he was feeling pressure and some criticism from many sides about few issues now he will be more lethal as player.

There were rumours that Ravi Shastri is looking for some coaching job in new two teams but until now we have no official news about this all because now he doesn't want to be again joined as commentator so feeling better as in this new role which is good for him but if he fails to have any job then surely he could be back here.

[pakhitheboss]

This was in plan, but they were waiting for something, so it's happen in this T20 WC, and they have done these changes which are very good because now Kohli can play without any pressure and his performance can help Indian cricket team for having some better results. Rohit is also having some good experience in these both short formats, so hopefully now he will also be having good time as captain in coming T20 and ODI world cup.

With all new management and having coach like Dravid it is very good new era for Indian cricket which is going to start at very bad time when we have new wave of corona in South Africa, and they are travelling lest see what's happened for them here.

So it means now Rohit will play under the pressure of Captaincy? Any info about Ravi Shastri, is he completely fired from BCCI or still has some portfolio there? Man he is too good in commentary. I love to see him back on the commentary box. He and Late Tony Craig are my all time favorite. Cant wait to listen his commentary.

Ravi Shastri is out completely, for now, he will now again come back to the commentary panel I guess. Rahul Dravid has taken over his job and I feel the team will perform much better than it was previously. Rohit was the better option than the others in that contention. Now, we need to watch Kohli whether he can start performing as he was before becoming a captain.

[Sithara007]

Finally, BCCI announced the India ODI captain. India have named Rohit Sharma as their new ODI captain, replacing Virat Kohli. I think that was a logical decision. There is no doubt that Virat Kohli is one of the best cricketers in the world, but speaking of his captaincy, there is something missing and expectations aren't met. This is not to say that Kohli did not deserve that role. It was always believed somewhere that Rohit had a slight advantage over him when it came to limited overs.

As a player, others are miles behind Virat Kohli. There was a time when the team used to be overdependent on Kohli, during the SENA tours. But then I guess power got in to his head. He started interfering in team selection and got the perfect sidekick in the form of damaadji (Ravi Shastri). Dhoni is also accused of having bias and favoritism, but his choices were never as useless as the ones Kohli had. Kohli just persisted with substandard players, only because they were loyal to him. I don't know how different is Rohit. Let's wait and watch.

[JSRAW]

This was in plan, but they were waiting for something, so it's happen in this T20 WC, and they have done these changes which are very good because now Kohli can play without any pressure and his performance can help Indian cricket team for having some better results. Rohit is also having some good experience in these both short formats, so hopefully now he will also be having good time as captain in coming T20 and ODI world cup.

With all new management and having coach like Dravid it is very good new era for Indian cricket which is going to start at very bad time when we have new wave of corona in South Africa, and they are travelling lest see what's happened for them here.

So it means now Rohit will play under the pressure of Captaincy? Any info about Ravi Shastri, is he completely fired from BCCI or still has some portfolio there? Man he is too good in commentary. I love to see him back on the commentary box. He and Late Tony Craig are my all time favorite. Cant wait to listen his commentary.

BCCI didn't sacked Ravi Shastri, his contract was about to over along with bowling coach (Batting coach was new, he's still with the team) and that's why they started headhunting their replacement even during WTC finals. As of now one new IPL franchise already in touch with him for head coach gig, let's see.
There are also some BS reports coming that BCCI sacked Virat Kohli from the ODI captaincy. This sounds ridiculous to me, as no cricketing nation allow 2 full time captain in white ball cricket(T-20 and ODI) So when Virat stepped down from the T-20 captaincy, it was obvious that Rohit will lead the national team in the white ball cricket, may be for next 2-3 years only because he's also getting old.

All these changes indicates that Indian team is about to enter into transitional period in next 3-4 years. New crop will take the charge soon.

[og kush420]

BCCI didn't sacked Ravi Shastri, his contract was about to over along with bowling coach (Batting coach was new, he's still with the team) and that's why they started headhunting their replacement even during WTC finals. As of now one new IPL franchise already in touch with him for head coach gig, let's see.

Shastri was doing commentary for more then two decades. I never saw him in coaching side. It was surprising why bcci appoints a commentator as head coach. Does he has some experience of coaching? PAKISTAN also did the same mistake of appointing waqar younis as bowling coach,  he was good bowler but his focus was commentary not coaching.

[Sithara007]

Shastri was doing commentary for more then two decades. I never saw him in coaching side. It was surprising why bcci appoints a commentator as head coach. Does he has some experience of coaching? PAKISTAN also did the same mistake of appointing waqar younis as bowling coach,  he was good bowler but his focus was commentary not coaching.

I have to disagree with you on Waqar. He is regarded as one of the foremost experts in the art of banana swing. It is hard to imagine a bowling coach who is more skilled than Waqar. And his experience as a commentator should not be viewed in negative light. The case with Shastri is different. Coach has mostly a nominal role within the Indian cricket team. It is the captain who makes all the decisions and prepare the training regimen. I sill don't understand what Shastri actually did during all these years while he was coaching the Indian team.

[og kush420]

I have to disagree with you on Waqar. He is regarded as one of the foremost experts in the art of banana swing. It is hard to imagine a bowling coach who is more skilled than Waqar. And his experience as a commentator should not be viewed in negative light. The case with Shastri is different. Coach has mostly a nominal role within the Indian cricket team. It is the captain who makes all the decisions and prepare the training regimen. I sill don't understand what Shastri actually did during all these years while he was coaching the Indian team.

Waqar was no doubt a great bowler but he turned out to be poor coach. During his tenure as head and bowling coach he was surrounded by controversial decisions, as he include players of his choice in team. He was biggest obstacle for Sarfraz in team inclusion. As a coach you have to do some courses as well to get skills of coaching.
Was shastri competent enough to coach india?

[JSRAW]

~snip~ I sill don't understand what Shastri actually did during all these years while he was coaching the Indian team.

One should criticize Shastri all day long but no one should deny the fact that under his tenure India occupied the number 1 spot in test ranking for 3-4 years, this includes retaining Test mace back to back years. How many other coaches in recent time brag this sort of achievement, ZERO.

I also never liked Shastri as a coach because of his cheer leading behavior and fucked up selection in South Africa and England (2018-19). Indian team was supposed to win both series but he and Kohli messed up the team combination royally.

In limited overs it was collective failure (Selectors +Captain+Coach) but only in ICC tournaments.

[Theones]

One should criticize Shastri all day long but no one should deny the fact that under his tenure India occupied the of number 1 spot in test ranking for 3-4 years, this includes retaining Test mace back to back years. How many other coaches in recent time brag this sort of achievement, ZERO.

I also never liked Shastri as a coach because of his cheer leading behavior and fucked up selection in South Africa and England (2018-19). Indian team was supposed to win both series but he and Kohli messed up the team combination royally.

In limited overs it was collective failure (Selectors +Captain+Coach) but only in ICC tournaments.

Shastri days are numbered and its time for Rahul to take on the seat. Its BCCI who must look over the affairs of the team and must not give extreme powers to Captain not to Coach. Why BCCI and other authorities were silent when Kohli and Shastri were crossing there limits? Its natural when you leave a seat, criticism follows you.

[perfect999]

Waqar was no doubt a great bowler but he turned out to be poor coach. During his tenure as head and bowling coach he was surrounded by controversial decisions, as he include players of his choice in team. He was biggest obstacle for Sarfraz in team inclusion. As a coach you have to do some courses as well to get skills of coaching.
Was shastri competent enough to coach india?

No one has any doubt about Waqar was great bowler but as coach he lost his respect because he has done few decisions which were biased because of some grouping into team and this hurt Pakistan team very badly. Amir and few other players were openly pointing out things against him because of his very poor management and having issues with some senior players, but due to his personal links into PCB, no one was going against him. But good thing now PCB is working under some professional peoples those have respect for players and good skills to handle things neutrally.

Hopefully now as commentator he will start his work again because it's much better than coaching.

[Sithara007]

No one has any doubt about Waqar was great bowler but as coach he lost his respect because he has done few decisions which were biased because of some grouping into team and this hurt Pakistan team very badly. Amir and few other players were openly pointing out things against him because of his very poor management and having issues with some senior players, but due to his personal links into PCB, no one was going against him. But good thing now PCB is working under some professional peoples those have respect for players and good skills to handle things neutrally.

Hopefully now as commentator he will start his work again because it's much better than coaching.

OK.. so it is the senior players who ganged up against him. Waqar may have made some mistakes, due to his lack of experience as a coach. So what happened here is that his detractors and some of the senior players used it against him. I am afraid that the Pakistan team is going in the same direction as India, where the role of coach is largely "ceremonial". It is the senior players who decide on everything and this in turn leads to nepotism and bias. The PCB should make sure that this never happens.

[pakhitheboss]

One should criticize Shastri all day long but no one should deny the fact that under his tenure India occupied the of number 1 spot in test ranking for 3-4 years, this includes retaining Test mace back to back years. How many other coaches in recent time brag this sort of achievement, ZERO.

I also never liked Shastri as a coach because of his cheer leading behavior and fucked up selection in South Africa and England (2018-19). Indian team was supposed to win both series but he and Kohli messed up the team combination royally.

In limited overs it was collective failure (Selectors +Captain+Coach) but only in ICC tournaments.

Shastri days are numbered and its time for Rahul to take on the seat. Its BCCI who must look over the affairs of the team and must not give extreme powers to Captain not to Coach. Why BCCI and other authorities were silent when Kohli and Shastri were crossing there limits? Its natural when you leave a seat, criticism follows you.

What happened has been forgotten by BCCI because there were members who always supported these two. Now, things have changed Kohli is out of captainship and Shastri is out of coaching. There is nothing good these two did for the team and the country that is why criticism is coming out for both of them. Such criticism were not shown for previous captains and coach of the Indian team.

[galambo]

OK.. so it is the senior players who ganged up against him. Waqar may have made some mistakes, due to his lack of experience as a coach. So what happened here is that his detractors and some of the senior players used it against him. I am afraid that the Pakistan team is going in the same direction as India, where the role of coach is largely "ceremonial". It is the senior players who decide on everything and this in turn leads to nepotism and bias. The PCB should make sure that this never happens.

Waqar has been appointed coach of Pakistan cricket for 2 to 3 times. Aqib Javed says whenever he is out from coaching he do commentary not spend time polishing his coaching skills. If being good bowler or batsman is criteria for being a coach then nobody is most suitable for this job other then Sachin n ponting.