ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod]

[Theones]

What happened has been forgotten by BCCI because there were members who always supported these two. Now, things have changed Kohli is out of captainship and Shastri is out of coaching. There is nothing good these two did for the team and the country that is why criticism is coming out for both of them. Such criticism were not shown for previous captains and coach of the Indian team.

Shastri was good commentator never knew he has coaching skills also. I am sure he has used his influence to get the appointment of Coach. BCCI is biggest board and its strange that how these two boards controlled everything there. Let's see whether Rohit n Dravid make any difference or they follow same path.

[CDC AP]

What happened has been forgotten by BCCI because there were members who always supported these two. Now, things have changed Kohli is out of captainship and Shastri is out of coaching. There is nothing good these two did for the team and the country that is why criticism is coming out for both of them. Such criticism were not shown for previous captains and coach of the Indian team.

Shastri was good commentator never knew he has coaching skills also. I am sure he has used his influence to get the appointment of Coach. BCCI is biggest board and its strange that how these two boards controlled everything there. Let's see whether Rohit n Dravid make any difference or they follow same path.

I always loved Ravi shastri as a commentator and since he started coaching I have been missing him in commentary.
I never liked him as a coach of indian team. He might be good but I think his attitude was much better in commentary. And now dravid as the coach of the team is a very good choise and I am sure india will do well under him. I really hope we see shastri in commentary soon.

[og kush420]

I always loved Ravi shastri as a commentator and since he started coaching I have been missing him in commentary.
I never liked him as a coach of indian team. He might be good but I think his attitude was much better in commentary. And now dravid as the coach of the team is a very good choise and I am sure india will do well under him. I really hope we see shastri in commentary soon.

There is no role offered to Shastri by  BCCI so far , most probably he will be seen in commentary box very soon. Can someone show stats of how many new players he introduced in Indian team and is there any improvement in performance of existing players ? Just curious how was his role as coach.

[Sithara007]

Waqar has been appointed coach of Pakistan cricket for 2 to 3 times. Aqib Javed says whenever he is out from coaching he do commentary not spend time polishing his coaching skills. If being good bowler or batsman is criteria for being a coach then nobody is most suitable for this job other then Sachin n ponting.

Well.. I don't have in depth information about this issue. So what you are saying right now may be true. I am disappointed because I have always held Waqar in high regard. He is one of the bowling legends, not just in Pakistan, but also around the world. In the art of reverse swing, he is the absolute master. But good players not always need to be good coaches. And this is what happened to him perhaps. Maybe the PCB can find him another role in some other domain, such as administration or grass-roots development. 

[mm2543363580]

Well.. I don't have in depth information about this issue. So what you are saying right now may be true. I am disappointed because I have always held Waqar in high regard. He is one of the bowling legends, not just in Pakistan, but also around the world. In the art of reverse swing, he is the absolute master. But good players not always need to be good coaches. And this is what happened to him perhaps. Maybe the PCB can find him another role in some other domain, such as administration or grass-roots development. 

See the profile of Australia coach in 1999, 2003 and 2007 WC John buchanan. He hasn't played a single international game. In fact he hasn't played much of cricket but still turned out to be an excellent coach. Coaching is entirely different thing then being a player. I don't know what John is doing these days but he is an outstanding coach.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/player/john-buchanan-4233

[doomloop]

Well.. I don't have in depth information about this issue. So what you are saying right now may be true. I am disappointed because I have always held Waqar in high regard. He is one of the bowling legends, not just in Pakistan, but also around the world. In the art of reverse swing, he is the absolute master. But good players not always need to be good coaches. And this is what happened to him perhaps. Maybe the PCB can find him another role in some other domain, such as administration or grass-roots development. 

See the profile of Australia coach in 1999, 2003 and 2007 WC John buchanan. He hasn't played a single international game. In fact he hasn't played much of cricket but still turned out to be an excellent coach. Coaching is entirely different thing then being a player. I don't know what John is doing these days but he is an outstanding coach.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/player/john-buchanan-4233

Agree here with you in this case because not even we have in cricket, we have many examples in other sports as well because I was reading in few blogs there are few coaches those never play these games but now doing great skills and having outstanding results as it need some good and different level mind and here in subcontinent have nothing like this in coaches mostly are just copying western points and giving their duties.

Recently few cricketers are now starting coaching which is good for this game as they have very bright ideas and skills with this all surely cricket is going to be better as we require some innovative things for having some different results and interesting games for fans as well.

[Sithara007]

See the profile of Australia coach in 1999, 2003 and 2007 WC John buchanan. He hasn't played a single international game. In fact he hasn't played much of cricket but still turned out to be an excellent coach. Coaching is entirely different thing then being a player. I don't know what John is doing these days but he is an outstanding coach.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/player/john-buchanan-4233

Australia has produced some excellent coaches. Apart from John Buchanan, there are others like Dav Whatmore, Greg Chappell, Geoff Marsh and Darren Lehmann. They are very professional and hard working, and not always afraid to voice their opinions. But the issue is that the sub-continent players doesn't always get going with them. Greg Chappell had some issues while working with the senior Indian players. Same happened with Gary Kirsten and Duncan Fletcher as well. Chappell had a stormy relationship with Ganguly, and also with some of the other seniors such as Sehwag, Harbhajan and Zaheer.

[JSRAW]

^^ Greg Chappell's era was indeed very controversial, not much during Duncan Fletcher's tenure, although our national team performances went down the gutter that time, if my memory serves me well.

But you can't add Gary Kirsten name in this list, he did hit a few road bumps at start but slowly he became sacred cow for the Indian team and everyone supported the dashing proteas cricketer.

[galambo]

Agree here with you in this case because not even we have in cricket, we have many examples in other sports as well because I was reading in few blogs there are few coaches those never play these games but now doing great skills and having outstanding results as it need some good and different level mind and here in subcontinent have nothing like this in coaches mostly are just copying western points and giving their duties.

There are very few names of coaches that have outstanding international cricket record. I never saw Ravi Shastari taking portfolio of Coach at any level, don't know what makes BCCI to give him this job. BCCI normally appoints foreigner coach and same holds true for PCB. Lets see how far Rahual Dravi goes. 

Recently few cricketers are now starting coaching which is good for this game as they have very bright ideas and skills with this all surely cricket is going to be better as we require some innovative things for having some different results and interesting games for fans as well.

Also there are few international cricketers in umpiring as well Kumar Dharmasena an SL all-rounder and Paul Reiffel an Aus fast bowler.

[Juggy777]

Agree here with you in this case because not even we have in cricket, we have many examples in other sports as well because I was reading in few blogs there are few coaches those never play these games but now doing great skills and having outstanding results as it need some good and different level mind and here in subcontinent have nothing like this in coaches mostly are just copying western points and giving their duties.

There are very few names of coaches that have outstanding international cricket record. I never saw Ravi Shastari taking portfolio of Coach at any level, don't know what makes BCCI to give him this job. BCCI normally appoints foreigner coach and same holds true for PCB. Lets see how far Rahual Dravi goes.  

Recently few cricketers are now starting coaching which is good for this game as they have very bright ideas and skills with this all surely cricket is going to be better as we require some innovative things for having some different results and interesting games for fans as well.

Also there are few international cricketers in umpiring as well Kumar Dharmasena an SL all-rounder and Paul Reiffel an Aus fast bowler.

@galambo I feel the approach of Dravid is already in place, because if you see he’s already changed the Indian captain from Kohli to Rohit in ODI format (indirectly as I’m sure his input was taken, but can’t find a article to confirm it). Furthermore he has solid experience under his belt, and in coming matches we’ll see how well he shapes this Indian team.

[StLucifer]

Agree here with you in this case because not even we have in cricket, we have many examples in other sports as well because I was reading in few blogs there are few coaches those never play these games but now doing great skills and having outstanding results as it need some good and different level mind and here in subcontinent have nothing like this in coaches mostly are just copying western points and giving their duties.

There are very few names of coaches that have outstanding international cricket record. I never saw Ravi Shastari taking portfolio of Coach at any level, don't know what makes BCCI to give him this job. BCCI normally appoints foreigner coach and same holds true for PCB. Lets see how far Rahual Dravi goes.  

Recently few cricketers are now starting coaching which is good for this game as they have very bright ideas and skills with this all surely cricket is going to be better as we require some innovative things for having some different results and interesting games for fans as well.

Also there are few international cricketers in umpiring as well Kumar Dharmasena an SL all-rounder and Paul Reiffel an Aus fast bowler.

@galambo I feel the approach of Dravid is already in place, because if you see he’s already changed the Indian captain from Kohli to Rohit in ODI format (indirectly as I’m sure his input was taken, but can’t find a article to confirm it). Furthermore he has solid experience under his belt, and in coming matches we’ll see how well he shapes this Indian team.

Surely rahul dravid was the best possible coach for India at this moment and BCCI took to right call. He is a very experienced player and players respect him already. Also he has coached India U19 team as well as India A team so he knows the young players coming in the team.
Surely his presence with bring positive results for India.

[Haunebu]

Am surprised to see no one here discussing Kohli's revelations earlier today. Was stunned to find out that the new captain of the Indian ODI team is Rohit and was even more surprised that Kohli found out about it hours before the announcement.

In my opinion, Rohit should be allowed to captain the T-20 team while Kohli should be allowed to captain the ODI and test teams. This is the optimal solution.

Treating Kohli who has achieved so much for his country in this manner is seriously messed up. Won't be surprised if he gets replaced by Rohit as the test captain sometime in the near future.

[mm2543363580]

Surely rahul dravid was the best possible coach for India at this moment and BCCI took to right call. He is a very experienced player and players respect him already. Also he has coached India U19 team as well as India A team so he knows the young players coming in the team.
Surely his presence with bring positive results for India.

I remember Dravid was called as a WALL when he used to play for India, he is no doubt a top class middle order batsman. Its also positive thing that he has coached India U19 before coming to coach the national side. Can someone share his performance as India U19 coach? He played with Gangualy, lets hope his appointment is purely on merit. 

[JSRAW]

Am surprised to see no one here discussing Kohli's revelations earlier today. Was stunned to find out that the new captain of the Indian ODI team is Rohit and was even more surprised that Kohli found out about it hours before the announcement.

In my opinion, Rohit should be allowed to captain the T-20 team while Kohli should be allowed to captain the ODI and test teams. This is the optimal solution.

Treating Kohli who has achieved so much for his country in this manner is seriously messed up. Won't be surprised if he gets replaced by Rohit as the test captain sometime in the near future.

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Every team follow mainly 2 setup

-1 captain for limited overs _White ball and 1 captain for Red ball
-1 captain across all format.

In such case BCCI has a every right to ask Kohli to step down from the ODI captaincy as Kohli voluntary decided to step down from the T-20 captaincy, in their point of view having 2 different captain for white ball cricket doesn't make sense. You can make case that Virat has done so much for the Indian cricket and BCCI should treat their legend with respect, which is 100% true. I think this is where BCCI fails royally as the organization on countless occasion.

Virat is strong figure in Indian sports but he's nothing when comparing to BCCI, actually no player comes close. Just look at old cases of Kapil, Sachin (not good example but still valid), Gangully etc when they were playing for the India. You can't arm twist powerful board for long, also we shouldn't forget the recent Kumble(Kohli) controversy over his coaching gig. Kumble had to resign because Kohli wanted him out. Kumble also made contribution to Indian cricket and he's also legendary figure in the Indian cricket.

BCCI clearly didn't handle this situation nicely but Virat is professional cricketer, he should be mature enough to see the writing on the wall and accept it grace fully similar to Sachin. Sachin also failed to delivered as a captain so he gave up the captaincy and played under 4 different captain after that. If Virat had one ICC trophy under his belt then his case could have been very strong but unfortunately he has none despite performing well in Bilateral series. As far as Test captaincy goes, he's good for another 2-3 years and its not going to change because no one comes close to him but power structure in white ball cricket has changed, for good or bad, well time will tell.

[mm2543363580]

BCCI clearly didn't handle this situation nicely but Virat is professional cricketer, he should be mature enough to see the writing on the wall and accept it grace fully similar to Sachin. Sachin also failed to delivered as a captain so he gave up the captaincy and played under 4 different captain after that. If Virat had one ICC trophy under his belt then his case could have been very strong but unfortunately he has none despite performing well in Bilateral series. As far as Test captaincy goes, he's good for another 2-3 years and its not going to change because no one comes close to him but power structure in white ball cricket has changed, for good or bad, well time will tell.

Sachin made right decision by quitting the captaincy and playing as a normal player. This released pressure of captaincy from him and he as a batsman break record one after another. Kohli must realize that its not the end of cricket for him, he can still play as a batsman in the Team. Now he has no more pressure of captaincy on his shoulders.

[lixer]

I feel the approach of Dravid is already in place, because if you see he’s already changed the Indian captain from Kohli to Rohit in ODI format (indirectly as I’m sure his input was taken, but can’t find a article to confirm it). Furthermore he has solid experience under his belt, and in coming matches we’ll see how well he shapes this Indian team.

We have no doubt about Dravid's approach and his control in cricket, but now he is entering in new way which is most difficult specially when you are in India because here every time few Senior players have some good influence on team which many times create problems for few coaches, and they have to leave this job.

But, this is surely completely new entry because now Ganguly and Dravid due have some good knowledge about this all, and they play very long time together which is also good, so we can hope now they will do some better and positive things for this team which will work very positively for them in future which is very important for team and management.

[galambo]

Am surprised to see no one here discussing Kohli's revelations earlier today. Was stunned to find out that the new captain of the Indian ODI team is Rohit and was even more surprised that Kohli found out about it hours before the announcement.

In my opinion, Rohit should be allowed to captain the T-20 team while Kohli should be allowed to captain the ODI and test teams. This is the optimal solution.

Treating Kohli who has achieved so much for his country in this manner is seriously messed up. Won't be surprised if he gets replaced by Rohit as the test captain sometime in the near future.

T20 and ODI goes hand in hand, majority of teams have same captain for ODI and T20. As both formats are about fast cricket. If Rohit is named captain for T20 then its obvious he will lead ODI squad also. As far as Kohli is concerned, he is not treated well by BCCI. He must be taken into confidence before making such a decision.

[Haunebu]

You can make case that Virat has done so much for the Indian cricket and BCCI should treat their legend with respect, which is 100% true. I think this is where BCCI fails royally as the organization on countless occasion.

BCCI clearly didn't handle this situation nicely but Virat is professional cricketer, he should be mature enough to see the writing on the wall and accept it grace fully similar to Sachin.

I feel that he would have accepted the decision gracefully if BCCI informed him about it properly at a proper time and place instead of suddenly blindsiding him in this manner.

Feels like someone in the BCCI who is on bad terms with him planned this out if you ask me. Worst part is that this kind of crap could hurt the team on the whole since some of them were probably pissed to see their ex-captain treated in this manner.

[JSRAW]

You can make case that Virat has done so much for the Indian cricket and BCCI should treat their legend with respect, which is 100% true. I think this is where BCCI fails royally as the organization on countless occasion.

BCCI clearly didn't handle this situation nicely but Virat is professional cricketer, he should be mature enough to see the writing on the wall and accept it grace fully similar to Sachin.

I feel that he would have accepted the decision gracefully if BCCI informed him about it properly at a proper time and place instead of suddenly blindsiding him in this manner.

Feels like someone in the BCCI who is on bad terms with him planned this out if you ask me. Worst part is that this kind of crap could hurt the team on the whole since some of them were probably pissed to see their ex-captain treated in this manner.

If i'm being honest then both parties acted weirdly. Be it BCCI leaking confidential news about Virat, sometimes ridiculous news or Virat considering himself bigger than the BCCI or anyone else. He literally thought that BCCI would let him choose whatever he wants as far as captaincy is concern. I don't blame him for going on that road, considering BCCI did ignored his countless mistakes in the last 4-5 years.

Team should be fine i suppose but i want to see batsman Kohli to fire up with the bat and compete like a champion in SA tour. Last time we were there, he fucked up with the team selection and we lost the series despite being a better team.

[og kush420]

I feel that he would have accepted the decision gracefully if BCCI informed him about it properly at a proper time and place instead of suddenly blindsiding him in this manner.

Feels like someone in the BCCI who is on bad terms with him planned this out if you ask me. Worst part is that this kind of crap could hurt the team on the whole since some of them were probably pissed to see their ex-captain treated in this manner.

Of course kohli will accept decision just like anyother player will accept the board decision. Virat kohli is not above bcci. Its responsibility of bcci and every board to remove any player from captaincy with full honour.  In Asian teams such behaviour with outgoing captain is normal.