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June 19, 2014, 05:15:04 PM
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Hosting companies DO NOT pass electricity savings to customers. if you compare prices in WA-they are essentially the same despite the fact that they pay 2c/electricity.
Electrical savings transmission simply does not WORK!
Sure it does. Ask advania in iceland how much they charge for power when you supply the fully populated container.
They pay 4 ct for power, they will bill you 5 ct.

Instant savings. Grin

Mining is affordable if miner manufacturers lower their prices.  Everytime the difficulty rises by X percent, the manufacturer needs to lower their price by an equal percentage or risk being priced out of the market.  The hardware company that can best afford to adapt to that is the one that will survive.



Do you know any company that systematically does that week after week, apart from Bitmain. I don't.

This argument is irrelevant, aswell as impractical. You can´t expect companies to lower the price every day, as at the end of the day they will be left with nothing to sell at a profit.

It also doesn´t change the fact that when you buy in bulk, you get it cheaper.

When you deploy in bulk (atleast in a smart manner) you get it cheaper.

Therefore you will always have an advantage if you are either a big player, or many little players together.


Same as it always has been. Rich get richer, poorer get poorer. Easier to make money when you have it.

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June 19, 2014, 05:24:38 PM
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Hosting companies DO NOT pass electricity savings to customers. if you compare prices in WA-they are essentially the same despite the fact that they pay 2c/electricity.
Electrical savings transmission simply does not WORK!
Sure it does. Ask advania in iceland how much they charge for power when you supply the fully populated container.
They pay 4 ct for power, they will bill you 5 ct.

Instant savings. Grin


advania quotes $160/mo per Sp-10, this is much much more than 5c/kw (it should be $44 in electricity /mo at this rate), so I don't know where you get your numbers.
Of course, they should charge small amount for everything else, but not 3 times more than electricity.

Unfortunately you'll never find a co-location DC that will host an SP10 for $150 or less. I have to pay $150/month for my SP10 since I could never run it in the house in the summer. Nothing I could do. I do have full access to the miner, for that price I better. It's not only the electricity, but to keep it cool as well. Some may find $150/month way too much, but if you had no other option then show us those low prices. Smiley


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June 19, 2014, 05:33:44 PM
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Hosting companies DO NOT pass electricity savings to customers. if you compare prices in WA-they are essentially the same despite the fact that they pay 2c/electricity.
Electrical savings transmission simply does not WORK!
Sure it does. Ask advania in iceland how much they charge for power when you supply the fully populated container.
They pay 4 ct for power, they will bill you 5 ct.

Instant savings. Grin


advania quotes $160/mo per Sp-10, this is much much more than 5c/kw (it should be $44 in electricity /mo at this rate), so I don't know where you get your numbers.
Of course, they should charge small amount for everything else, but not 3 times more than electricity.

Unfortunately you'll never find a co-location DC that will host an SP10 for $150 or less. I have to pay $150/month for my SP10 since I could never run it in the house in the summer. Nothing I could do. I do have full access to the miner, for that price I better. It's not only the electricity, but to keep it cool as well. Some may find $150/month way too much, but if you had no other option then show us those low prices. Smiley


Again to avoid any confusion:

The above estimate is for units hosted inside a Datatank container, whichs is a form of modular DC utilizing immersion cooling. In fact you can get even lower power prices, around 30$/kW and month.

IT DOES NOT apply to normal hosting environments with aircooled units.

It however specifically applies to units optimized for immersion cooling. Upfront costs are typically 0.5-0.7 $/W for the Datatank container, fluid and PSUs.

These are also reusable when upgrading to the next generation gear (however, it should be hard to find a buyer for used immersion cooling miners).
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June 19, 2014, 07:00:10 PM
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however, it should be hard to find a buyer for used immersion cooling miners.

I have read that a couple of times now. How would reselling a SP30 work in real life? When would that happen? How much would it cost to get it shipped from the DC to the new buyer? Or would you sell it 'with your hosting contract'? But who would buy it then?

I would really like to see a practical example would people have in mind when they speak about reselling? Say...

- Buy for August or September shipment for $xxxx
- Use for mining for x months
- Pay hosting bill for x months (plus setup fee if any)
- Find new buyer for $yyyy
- Pay DC + UPS to ship to new buyer for $zzz?

Does this even make real sense? With Spondoolies Tech possibly shipping tens of thousands of these, wouldn't there be thousands of people trying to do the same?

If you have a few dozen of these units at a DC, or god forbid a few hundreds, would your DC even be able to start a pack and pack shipping operation for you? It's a bit different than sending an occasional server to some client. I just watched Softlayer unpacking and plugging in servers over months here at our location (one of my former colleagues works for Softlayer), doing the same things inverse (packing them up) is probably a small headache if they didn't keep boxes around.

And if you are a large miner, wouldn't it be better to spend the $zzz to just let it run for another month or so?

An if you are a large miner looking to buy, wouldn't any money be better spent on new mining gear at that time (assuming we are talking about 20nm at that time or competing faster/newer hardware?)

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June 19, 2014, 08:59:01 PM
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Does this even make real sense? With Spondoolies Tech possibly shipping tens of thousands of these, wouldn't there be thousands of people trying to do the same?

Questions over questions Wink


i keep every miner i've ever bought, there are times when they are worth powering up, and times when they are not. It will always be so.

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Does this even make real sense? With Spondoolies Tech possibly shipping tens of thousands of these, wouldn't there be thousands of people trying to do the same?

Questions over questions Wink


i keep every miner i've ever bought, there are times when they are worth powering up, and times when they are not. It will always be so.

I think you really all need to think about 3D SPACE as a resource along with power efficiency. The SP30s is just a single blip on the evolutionary chain of miners. There are already designs that are evolving that plug and play box on top of another plug n play box. I am keen on seeing how much mining you can compress into the smallest space possible the SP10 and SP30 are the right direction but it will not stop there. Cases, heatsinks racks take up a lot of valuable space imagine how to shed all that. As for reselling the datatank? You could use it for a lot more than mining and anyone looking into the Datatank should be looking at supplemental income beyond mining for the space.

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June 20, 2014, 06:11:32 AM
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Are my posts bring deleted here? Because on the "sister" board usuing mch better software doesn't allow it and I see my posts there. Any time I talk about price and make sense about it, the post disappears.

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Are my posts bring deleted here? Because on the "sister" board usuing mch better software doesn't allow it and I see my posts there. Any time I talk about price and make sense about it, the post disappears.


We never remove posts.

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Are my posts bring deleted here? Because on the "sister" board usuing mch better software doesn't allow it and I see my posts there. Any time I talk about price and make sense about it, the post disappears.


Maybe mods delete offtopic posts?

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June 20, 2014, 06:33:52 AM
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Must have passed out and didn't even notice it. When ever I read the forums I fall asleep these days.

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Must have passed out and didn't even notice it. When ever I read the forums I fall asleep these days.


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June 20, 2014, 07:20:09 AM
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hehe, no, once they are no longer profitable on BTC, I mine TEK.  Grin

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June 20, 2014, 10:06:30 AM
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Do we have any new pictures of the SP30 progress?

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June 20, 2014, 10:15:51 AM
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Do we have any new pictures of the SP30 progress?

I don't think there will be new pictures. I don't know what else can we see since we saw it all except for the chips and chips on boards.

Waiting is always hard.

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June 20, 2014, 05:10:52 PM
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Well KNC is finally shipping and BA is shipping a ton of X-1 and X-3's to come in july

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=170332.35660

Now there is more pressure than ever for spond to deliver on time and on point  Grin

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I think you really all need to think about 3D SPACE as a resource along with power efficiency. The SP30s is just a single blip on the evolutionary chain of miners. There are already designs that are evolving that plug and play box on top of another plug n play box. I am keen on seeing how much mining you can compress into the smallest space possible the SP10 and SP30 are the right direction but it will not stop there. Cases, heatsinks racks take up a lot of valuable space imagine how to shed all that. As for reselling the datatank? You could use it for a lot more than mining and anyone looking into the Datatank should be looking at supplemental income beyond mining for the space.
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June 20, 2014, 06:41:00 PM
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After seeing the mess that KNC just released called the Neptune I would say that you guys are the only shop that actually knows how to build a machine. The rest of the competition is just hacked together crap compared to your shiny box's. Beautiful software too.
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June 20, 2014, 06:47:51 PM
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After seeing the mess that KNC just released called the Neptune I would say that you guys are the only shop that actually knows how to build a machine. The rest of the competition is just hacked together crap compared to your shiny box's. Beautiful software too.

I agree, but what's the point?  My Avalon's didn't last a year.  My S1's aren't going to last a year.  Not a lot as far as mining equipment is going to last more than a year.
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June 20, 2014, 07:27:04 PM
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After seeing the mess that KNC just released called the Neptune I would say that you guys are the only shop that actually knows how to build a machine. The rest of the competition is just hacked together crap compared to your shiny box's. Beautiful software too.

I agree, but what's the point?  My Avalon's didn't last a year.  My S1's aren't going to last a year.  Not a lot as far as mining equipment is going to last more than a year.

Still, wouldn't running an SP30 for a year provide a great return? 
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Still, wouldn't running an SP30 for a year provide a great return?  

You'll have to mine for a year to find out.  My statement was more to the point that I agree the the SP-Tech machine is a fine looking/built piece of HW, but elegance and build quailty is not a necessity. In the land of mining the lifespan of these machines (in general) is so short that the added cost(s) for elegance and robustness is lost.  
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