Coronavirus Outbreak

[TwitchySeal]

In any case, the solution is violence for whoever wins.

Whatever you say Conan.

Do you know what is good in life?

That glass of water next to your bed when you wake up in the middle of the night thirsty AF.

[Ibian]

In any case, the solution is violence for whoever wins.

Whatever you say Conan.

Do you know what is good in life?

Go on, spit it out, not sure we're on the same page here.

~ bracing ~

Soft lavatory paper, hot water and warm blankets.

[tippytoes]

There's currently about 525,605 confirmed cases worldwide with 23,711 total deaths according to WorldMeters . Just on Saturday, we had 11,405 death. The numbers have doubled in less than a week. COVID-19 is escalating pretty fast. At the moment, over 198 countries are suffering from the pandemic.  These numbers only seems to be rising with each passing day. There's no telling what would happen before an official cure is out. Damn this is bad.


How's the situation in your country/area?

Confirmed by who? You seem to believe them, whoever they are. But the symptoms fit all kinds of diseases. Are you trying to say that you know for a fact that all these cases have been laboratory confirmed by professionals who know how to use lab equipment and wouldn't lie?

Maybe just go to WHO website for official stats.

https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/685d0ace521648f8a5beeeee1b9125cd



But the numbers are growing fast everyday.

[Cryptotourist]

In any case, the solution is violence for whoever wins.

Whatever you say Conan.

Do you know what is good in life?

Go on, spit it out, not sure we're on the same page here.

~ bracing ~

Soft lavatory paper, hot water and warm blankets.

Sure, we can agree on that, just not with an empty stomach.

[Vod]

Should I be mindful of cleaning my devices – phones, laptop, etc. - after handwashing?
A recent study in the Journal of Hospital Infection found, after swabbing the mobile devices of 250 hospital staff, that coronaviruses can survive on the kinds of smooth glass and plastic found in smartphones for up to nine days. Cleaning phones is an even more important anti-coronavirus measure than wearing face masks.

https://www.nah.org/blog/nathan-adelson-hospice-covid-19-update

I was not aware of this!  Each time you go out, you should disinfect your phone before touching it to your face!

[UserU]

https://www.nah.org/blog/nathan-adelson-hospice-covid-19-update

I was not aware of this!  Each time you go out, you should disinfect your phone before touching it to your face!

Not just your phone, your boob too. It's been 50 years already, give it a rest man

Just kidding, it's freaking hard to sanitize your phone when you're outside because you gotta do both and toilets are not always readily available. Unless there are sanitary wipes.

[PrimeNumber7]

Even more reason to isolate. If we are all infected then we want this virus to die completely so it doesn't have a chance to mutate and reinfect us all again. Only way to do that is isolation for a month.

Do you think Trump will reopen the country by easter?  Or do you think he'll be stopped?

He hasn't really closed anything down, I don't think.

The White House is doing a '15 days to slow the spread' thing where they suggest everyone practice social distancing, but I think all the official orders to shut down xyz have been made by Mayors and Governors.

He can effectively invalidate the orders and encourage people to come back to work. The orders are almost certainly unconstitutional, but ignoring this fact, they cannot be realistically be enforced if they are defied in masse.

If Trump says that it is safe for certain people to go to work and come out of their homes and he has the support of doctors, people would likely listen to him, especially if they are needing money to pay their bills.

I think a fairly large part of the shelter in place orders in much of the country are intended to harm the economy. San Francisco has a shelter in place order and there are only about 150 cases. The mayor of los Angelos said that he expects residents to have to stay in their homes for months rebutting what Trump said about reopening the economy by Easter. LA has about 650 cases, I would estimate that at most there are 130 people hospitalized in LA and the mayor is saying the hospitals are overwhelmed. I would say that claiming hospitals are overwhelmed with 130 patients and pre-judging the outcome before the data is available removes his credibility.

The orders are fairly transparently political when governments are allowing pot dispensaries to stay open while shutting down gun shops.

The governors are responsible for declaring a state of emergency, I don't think Trump would have the authority to over rule them as they aren't his subordinate.  A governor could over rule a mayor, but the president couldn't over rule a governor.

I'm sure there are some loop holes that Trump could find to exploit, or just simply start insulting/attacking a governor to get a similar effect, but that's definitely not the way the system was intended to work.

Trump and the local officials are saying the same thing. If Trump says it is safe to go to work, but the state/local officials are saying to stay home, a lot of people would probably ignore the lockdown orders, and it will start to cascade. The lockdown orders are unconstitutional, so any convictions of people violating them will be thrown out and ignoring the unconstitutionality of the orders, you really cannot enforce them if they are defied en masse.

In the current political climate I can see why people think all those blue states are just trying to fuck up the economy because they have TDS and are sick of hearing Trump bragging about how good his economy and stock market are....but if you are assuming that there is not a very real possibility that things could get very very bad, I think you're making a serious miscalculation.

My point is the officials are pre-judging the outcome before looking at the data. They don't know what things will look like in two weeks. The incubation period is about two weeks, so if everyone is isolating now and have been for a week and a half, there should be few new cases in two weeks.

If we can reasonably determine who will have mild/no symptoms

We already tried that, by not testing people for two months. The only missing part was a time machine to check those symptoms in advance.

The sad thing about these lockdowns is that if they're at least somewhat successful then every conspiratard will be claiming that we didn't need lockdowns.

There is no cure for the Chinese Coronavirus, so testing will not actually do anything.

The lockdowns may slow the spread, but it won't stop it because people still need to interact with others, for example, to buy food. People also need to go to work if they work in certain industries designed as critical, and cannot work remotely, and some of these people will spread the virus.

If you recover from the virus, you cannot get it again, and once you are recovered you cannot give it to anyone else. Once enough people are recovered from the virus, it will have no one else to spread to because it is only being spread to people who have already recovered.

If we can build up medical capacity, identify and protect those who are most likely to have serious complications from the virus, then we should get most everyone else infected, and the population as a whole will develop herd immunity. We will probably see this in third world countries that cannot effectively control their citizens, except the vulnerable will not be protected (very sad).

[suchmoon]

There is no cure for the Chinese Coronavirus, so testing will not actually do anything.

The lockdowns may slow the spread, but it won't stop it because people still need to interact with others, for example, to buy food. People also need to go to work if they work in certain industries designed as critical, and cannot work remotely, and some of these people will spread the virus.

If you recover from the virus, you cannot get it again, and once you are recovered you cannot give it to anyone else. Once enough people are recovered from the virus, it will have no one else to spread to because it is only being spread to people who have already recovered.

If we can build up medical capacity, identify and protect those who are most likely to have serious complications from the virus, then we should get most everyone else infected, and the population as a whole will develop herd immunity. We will probably see this in third world countries that cannot effectively control their citizens, except the vulnerable will not be protected (very sad).

I'm too tired to respond to this but it's just utter tosh.

We can't "build up medical capacity" to keep up with it, some states in the US (the country that spends the most on healthcare by quite a margin) are already beyond-Italy-level fucked - NY and LA, possibly FL. It's either comprehensive testing and selective quarantines (too late for that in the US), or total lockdown, there is no other strategy yet that has worked.

[fillippone]

There is no cure for the Chinese Coronavirus, so testing will not actually do anything.

The lockdowns may slow the spread, but it won't stop it because people still need to interact with others, for example, to buy food. People also need to go to work if they work in certain industries designed as critical, and cannot work remotely, and some of these people will spread the virus.

If you recover from the virus, you cannot get it again, and once you are recovered you cannot give it to anyone else. Once enough people are recovered from the virus, it will have no one else to spread to because it is only being spread to people who have already recovered.

If we can build up medical capacity, identify and protect those who are most likely to have serious complications from the virus, then we should get most everyone else infected, and the population as a whole will develop herd immunity. We will probably see this in third world countries that cannot effectively control their citizens, except the vulnerable will not be protected (very sad).

I'm too tired to respond to this but it's just utter tosh.

We can't "build up medical capacity" to keep up with it, some states in the US (the country that spends the most on healthcare by quite a margin) are already beyond-Italy-level fucked - NY and LA, possibly FL. It's either comprehensive testing and selective quarantines (too late for that in the US), or total lockdown, there is no other strategy yet that has worked.

I am very scared by the US.
Not a big health expert, but as far as I know US health system is massively inefficient.
source:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-09-19/u-s-near-bottom-of-health-index-hong-kong-and-singapore-at-top

Thisis adding in a massively "unhealthy nation:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-02-24/spain-tops-italy-as-world-s-healthiest-nation-while-u-s-slips

In addition to that, the yesterday's massive Jobless number is adding 3 millions of people to the uninsured percentage of the population.
Probably those workers are already in the weakest hand-to-mouth part of the population, and , given the industries leading the layoff, the most exposed to contagion.

This is not going to ending well.

[Cryptotourist]

I am very scared by the US.

You are very scared. Period.

Not a big health expert, but as far as I know US health system is massively inefficient.
source:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-09-19/u-s-near-bottom-of-health-index-hong-kong-and-singapore-at-top

Thisis adding in a massively "unhealthy nation:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-02-24/spain-tops-italy-as-world-s-healthiest-nation-while-u-s-slips

Don't worry, DoomBerg is not an expert either.

In addition to that, the yesterday's massive Jobless number is adding 3 millions of people to the uninsured percentage of the population.
Probably those workers are already in the weakest hand-to-mouth part of the population, and , given the industries leading the layoff, the most exposed to contagion.

As you frequently mention, they will print themselves out of this. Simple.

This is not going to ending well.

So is our Sun, what's your point?

[Tash]

San Marino is health hell on earth.
More deaths with a population of 30000 than India with over a billion. For India to have the same in % terms it would mean almost a million death (854 089). Whatever you do, dont get sick in San Marino.

[Cryptotourist]

San Marino is health hell on earth.
More deaths with a population of 30000 than India with over a billion. For India to have the same in % terms it would mean almost a million death (854 089). Whatever you do, dont get sick in San Marino.

Yeah, lets go bananas over a banana.

[Lauda]

San Marino is health hell on earth.
More deaths with a population of 30000 than India with over a billion. For India to have the same in % terms it would mean almost a million death (854 089). Whatever you do, dont get sick in San Marino.

You are the literal definition of an idiot. Are you aware of this?

Yeah, lets go bananas over a banana.

This forum has some very bad policies for certain things unfortunately. This corona stuff is proving it all over again.

[fillippone]

So is our Sun, what's your point?

When Mr. Trump Says: " The cure cannot be worse than the disease" he has no idea of what he's saying.
Reopening the nation before the end of the contagion is madness.
People are not kamikaze.
You don't go to work when everybody is dying around you, they will eventually self isolate on their own.
So you are going to have the worse of both systems: economic failure AND massive death count.

[Cryptotourist]

So you are going to have the worse of both systems: economic failure AND massive death count.

Aren't you extrapolating a little fast here fillippone?
Show me the massive death count when all this is said and done, and I'll show you the economic failure next year.

Out of respect for the dead, or those who are about to financially die, I'm going to leave this here.
Besides, you are my brother.

PS: Trump WHO?

[tvbcof]

San Marino is health hell on earth.
More deaths with a population of 30000 than India with over a billion. For India to have the same in % terms it would mean almost a million death (854 089). Whatever you do, dont get sick in San Marino.

You are the literal definition of an idiot. Are you aware of this?

Go ahead and make an argument that contests the guy's observations.

Yeah, lets go bananas over a banana.

This forum has some very bad policies for certain things unfortunately. This corona stuff is proving it all over again.

Hey Theymos, you heard the man.  Censorship please...for the good of the collective.  The collective of Western-based corp/gov mouthpieces that is.

[Lauda]

San Marino is health hell on earth.
More deaths with a population of 30000 than India with over a billion. For India to have the same in % terms it would mean almost a million death (854 089). Whatever you do, dont get sick in San Marino.

You are the literal definition of an idiot. Are you aware of this?

Go ahead and make an argument that contests the guy's observations.

If you do not see what the obvious nonsense conclusion is based off of the data, then you are part of the problem. His post is one of the stupidest I have read recently. Go figure.

So you are going to have the worse of both systems: economic failure AND massive death count.

Aren't you extrapolating a little fast here fillippone?
Show me the massive death count when all this is said and done, and I'll show you the economic failure next year.

It will be a false flag later: The big banks and the debt explosion and insane QE didn't cause economic failure, but corona did!

[DaveF]

I'm too tired to respond to this but it's just utter tosh.

We can't "build up medical capacity" to keep up with it, some states in the US (the country that spends the most on healthcare by quite a margin) are already beyond-Italy-level fucked - NY and LA, possibly FL. It's either comprehensive testing and selective quarantines (too late for that in the US), or total lockdown, there is no other strategy yet that has worked.

Nah, NY and CA (full disclosure I'm NY based) are somewhat fucked.
FL is probably somewhat more because of the general age of the population.

It's probably going to worse in some of the low population, middle of the country states. Some of them are going to be ultra fucked.
We have hospitals, we have people to help out, we have businesses that can support things.

Picking on Kansas: population = 3,000,000 number of hospital beds = 6500 or 461 people per bed.
Suffolk and Nassau county NY combined population = 2,900,000 number of hospital beds = 7250 or 400 people per bed. NOT including ~ 1000 at a hospital on the Nassau / Queens border because they are at the moment mostly getting NYC cases.  And Long Island has some of the lowest beds to people ratio in NY.

And we are scrambling to get more setup and have the governments screaming for help and getting in everything they can.

Kansas kind of doing the everything is fine routine.
With it's lower population density they might get away with it.
On the other hand, if they are wrong it's going to be to late.

Just my view and I hope I wrong, but I see the big cities getting hit and getting hit hard and then the smaller urban and rural areas getting it. The advantage smaller places will have is the fact that there will be more "stuff" around be it ventilators or meds or support or whatever. The disadvantage will be that if it hits them a bit sooner the big cities will still have to deal with their own cases and there will NOT be more stuff around there might be less.

-Dave

[franky1]

the numbers of cases vs deaths stated above of USA, india, san marino. have no context

for instance in san marino. the amount of tests or even when they are tested may vary to america
america can be very test crazy and even test people with a cough. where as san marino might only test the more serious symptom people this the context would be that san marino have more deaths vs diagnoses.

other things to take into account is when they publish news about young people dying with no underlying problem.. this is not no underlying problem.. but no pre-diagnosed and treated medical problem before corona
many people old and young can have health conditions undiagnosed. whether its no significant symptoms to raise their own fear/want to cost them money/time to get checked. or just some nutty religious reason to not want to go hospital unles on deaths door.

so when you want to try twisting things to try to make it sound like the death rate is huge and make it sound like everyone can die. understand your just trying to cause unwanted/unhelpful panic.

to all those that think they are supermen/immortal. by you avoiding healthcare. doesnt mean your immortal. you might actually have a condition that you have not been assessed for. and if or when you do get the virus. you may get more symptoms than others.
so just stop kissing peoples asses and licking door knobs. stay 2metres away from people(easy for basement dwellers) and when you do research. actually think of the real context and not try to sway it into a context that fits your pre-thought/pre-researched idea

[fillippone]

So you are going to have the worse of both systems: economic failure AND massive death count.

Aren't you extrapolating a little fast here fillippone?
Show me the massive death count when all this is said and done, and I'll show you the economic failure next year.

It will be a false flag later: The big banks and the debt explosion and insane QE didn't cause economic failure, but corona did!

Of Course this is not unintentional.
This is THE plan.