[ANN][VRC] VeriCoin Proof of Stake-Time Currency | New Roadmap Released

[barabbas]

@DEVS: The community has been asking for the FORUM button on the wallet to lead to a moderated thread. Is it possible to provide this? Thanks.

We are going to do this so that there can be a non-combative, non-vulgar link in the wallet for the average person. We do intend to keep this thread as well so that there is an unmoderated place to speak freely as well. The thing is we can't convince "Aunt Emma" to use digitalcurrency and then lead her to stumble on massive repetitive and sometimes vulgar fudding at times and is quickly turned off for good.

I may even suggest a link to a support section of the VeriTalk Forum. Perhaps call it "Support", "New to VeriCoin" or the generic "Forum" is fine to. Perhaps pull a dropdown menu up off of the forum, and give them a choice on where to go. A place where a moderator can help people in a reasonable amount of time. You have community members who have shown they are more than willing to give time to help others in the past. This small attention to detail across the board would solidify the brand and make sense to people new to virtual currencies.

What doesn't make sense to everyday people is looking at roadmaps of what vericoin is, and then looking for all the features that they expect to be out, and polished. Only to find that these big deals at the time turned out to be several rushed, premature projects that, once launched failed to meet every basic objective they set out to have. To this day they are not complete, embarrassingly so.

Good suggestion regarding forum link.

Now correct me if I'm wrong but the only thing that was released unfinished was the fiat feature. This was a misstep I agree. However VeriSMS, VeriBit, VeriSend and variable interest are done, were well tested and are used in practice.

 Our current roadmap is on track and reflects the new fiat feature, as well as everything else we are working on.
This leads us to the two biggest problems in crypto. Being able to easily buy it and spend it.


VeriBit solves the spending problem mostly for within crypto usage. This is key. However getting the regular non crypto person to spend is still a challenge. Therefore we will have an optional service for spending VeriCoin with a visa card.

Regarding the cozying up with banking system argument. Let those who do not cash out their crypto into the banking system throw the first stone. This just makes that process easier.

This is how it is and we can move forward faster by utilizing it optionally.

In this context new people can say I get how to use it, now lets start earning interest. Users and demand is what we need more than anything.

Regarding the card there is not too much I can divulge until Coinsis does. However I appreciate the constructive criticisms. I will answer anything I am at liberty to. Though I do not have time to read every single forum post and still be on track with the roadmap.

This is simply amazing. Our stooge #2 and new go-to man is openly accused of trying to con Aunt Emma and of committing fraud while doing so and answers with the usual disperse tactics and common places. Amazing, simply amazing.

Listen genius, there's no way -nor should be- that Aunt Emma is ever going to invest in digital currencies. Nor should she, ok? The digital currencies are not for the consumption or investment of Aunt Emma or even -save for exceptions- baby boomers. At all. Not even remotely close to safe for them to even step timidly into that territory. What your genius idea proposed was that Aunt Emma would invest let's say $1,000 in a "convenient Vericard" and when she decides to use it, a couple of weeks later, discover that she can barely buy 1/10th of what she was able to buy two weeks earlier with her $1,000. And that is NOT INCLUDING FEES either. Get it now, genius??

When I and others refer to Joe and Jane Sixpack we are referring to active members, middle class 15-50 people that has never heard of digital currencies. Get the demographic now? Aunt Emma is not even a consideration, ok? And of those 15-50 people, you first create awareness and hope for piquing the interest of 2-3%. And you have to hit them in the gut... but with TRUTH (what a concept, ah?). They already KNOW and have painfully experienced and continue experiencing the bad that banks and credit cards have/continue inflicting in them. They WILL LISTEN to anything that claims to baypass those. whether they understand the baypass process or not.

But I am shouting in the freaking desert here, so no more. You just don't get it because you are so full of... well, it.

Now sinkraven or whatever, lets make it very clear: Not everyone in advertising is a creative person. First. Then, not everyone in advertising, who is also creative, is good, or talented, ok? That should hit home quite straight. One of the main principles in advertising, true and proven, is that repetition is the most efficient of tactics, bar none. So there.

Your advocacy or good will, team spirit and all is great... for going straight to doomdom. Just being enthusiastic, an idiotic cheerleader, doesnt give you any skills, let alone talent, ok? It doesn't matter how enthusiastic anyone is, if you send all the cheerleaders here to the US Open to compete, none will be selected even to serve as ball boys, ok?

So what we have here? Devs that have no talent/skills to technically -financially much less, marketing-wise even less- do anything for Vericoin. exhibit A. Exhibit B a graphics designer that can't get any work in the real world, exhibit B. A dev, stooge #1 that believes he's so fucking bright he can easily moderate a Google hang out, exhibit C. A guy somewhere that fancies himself as a radio host that puts up a "show" that even in this nest of delusional, demented cheerleaders gets a top audience of ...4. Exhibit D. Another "leader" that purports to publish Vericoin news that only posts exercises in nothingness that clear nothing and confuse people even more... never providing any news. Exhibit E. Stooges #1 and 2# that even after all these weeks and numerous posts still hadn't learn to reflect, restrain and only open their mouth publicly when they have something informative to communicate and do it so in a manner that resembles some intelligence and a hint of professionalism. Exhibit F... I could go on. Is this the "team" you want to assemble? It is already assembled (and I haven't even mentioned toxic boy). And already firmly on the train to Palookaville, ok?

Listen, first attempt at any, ANY solution, when you have problems, the very first step, is to recognize that you have problems. Without that, any progression is impossible because, well, you are convinced you are doing things like gangbusters. Which is the case, amazingly, in spite of the overwhelming evidence.

Stooges, all over the place, running amok.

[BitcoinPorn]

Buy4Crypto did the research and posted here a few links about pnosker 3-4 days ago. According to Buy4Crypto the links indicate pnosker is a pumper and involved in every P&D so far. Buy4Crypto seems a solid supporter, unbiased and the evidence he had collected strongly suggest something is fishy. 

Where are the links you are talking about or a post that he made with these accusations?  I just did a search of Buy4Cryptos recent/last messages ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=263360;sa=showPosts ) and couldn't find it, genuinely curious to see this. 

Hey asshole... Do you hold VRC? NO? Then fuck off little insignificant piece of shit

Bullshit, he posted here yesterday. Do your research correctly before fudding idiot

lol, did CodeHunter get reincarnated as ofp

[Shinraven]

@DEVS: The community has been asking for the FORUM button on the wallet to lead to a moderated thread. Is it possible to provide this? Thanks.

We are going to do this so that there can be a non-combative, non-vulgar link in the wallet for the average person. We do intend to keep this thread as well so that there is an unmoderated place to speak freely as well. The thing is we can't convince "Aunt Emma" to use digitalcurrency and then lead her to stumble on massive repetitive and sometimes vulgar fudding at times and is quickly turned off for good.

I may even suggest a link to a support section of the VeriTalk Forum. Perhaps call it "Support", "New to VeriCoin" or the generic "Forum" is fine to. Perhaps pull a dropdown menu up off of the forum, and give them a choice on where to go. A place where a moderator can help people in a reasonable amount of time. You have community members who have shown they are more than willing to give time to help others in the past. This small attention to detail across the board would solidify the brand and make sense to people new to virtual currencies.

What doesn't make sense to everyday people is looking at roadmaps of what vericoin is, and then looking for all the features that they expect to be out, and polished. Only to find that these big deals at the time turned out to be several rushed, premature projects that, once launched failed to meet every basic objective they set out to have. To this day they are not complete, embarrassingly so.

Good suggestion regarding forum link.

Now correct me if I'm wrong but the only thing that was released unfinished was the fiat feature. This was a misstep I agree. However VeriSMS, VeriBit, VeriSend and variable interest are done, were well tested and are used in practice.

 Our current roadmap is on track and reflects the new fiat feature, as well as everything else we are working on.
This leads us to the two biggest problems in crypto. Being able to easily buy it and spend it.


VeriBit solves the spending problem mostly for within crypto usage. This is key. However getting the regular non crypto person to spend is still a challenge. Therefore we will have an optional service for spending VeriCoin with a visa card.

Regarding the cozying up with banking system argument. Let those who do not cash out their crypto into the banking system throw the first stone. This just makes that process easier.

This is how it is and we can move forward faster by utilizing it optionally.

In this context new people can say I get how to use it, now lets start earning interest. Users and demand is what we need more than anything.

Regarding the card there is not too much I can divulge until Coinsis does. However I appreciate the constructive criticisms. I will answer anything I am at liberty to. Though I do not have time to read every single forum post and still be on track with the roadmap.

This is simply amazing. Our stooge #2 and new go-to man is openly accused of trying to con Aunt Emma and of committing fraud while doing so and answers with the usual disperse tactics and common places. Amazing, simply amazing.

Listen genius, there's no way -nor should be- that Aunt Emma is ever going to invest in digital currencies. Nor should she, ok? The digital currencies are not for the consumption or investment of Aunt Emma or even -save for exceptions- baby boomers. At all. Not even remotely close to safe for them to even step timidly into that territory. What your genius idea proposed was that Aunt Emma would invest let's say $1,000 in a "convenient Vericard" and when she decides to use it, a couple of weeks later, discover that she can barely buy 1/10th of what she was able to buy two weeks earlier with her $1,000. And that is NOT INCLUDING FEES either. Get it now, genius??

When I and others refer to Joe and Jane Sixpack we are referring to active members, middle class 15-50 people that has never heard of digital currencies. Get the demographic now? Aunt Emma is not even a consideration, ok? And of those 15-50 people, you first create awareness and hope for piquing the interest of 2-3%. And you have to hit them in the gut... but with TRUTH (what a concept, ah?). They already KNOW and have painfully experienced and continue experiencing the bad that banks and credit cards have/continue inflicting in them. They WILL LISTEN to anything that claims to baypass those. whether they understand the baypass process or not.

But I am shouting in the freaking desert here, so no more. You just don't get it because you are so full of... well, it.

Now sinkraven or whatever, lets make it very clear: Not everyone in advertising is a creative person. First. Then, not everyone in advertising, who is also creative, is good, or talented, ok? That should hit home quite straight. One of the main principles in advertising, true and proven, is that repetition is the most efficient of tactics, bar none. So there.

Your advocacy or good will, team spirit and all is great... for going straight to doomdom. Just being enthusiastic, an idiotic cheerleader, doesnt give you any skills, let alone talent, ok? It doesn't matter how enthusiastic anyone is, if you send all the cheerleaders here to the US Open to compete, none will be selected even to serve as ball boys, ok?

So what we have here? Devs that have no talent/skills to technically -financially much less, marketing-wise even less- do anything for Vericoin. exhibit A. Exhibit B a graphics designer that can't get any work in the real world, exhibit B. A dev, stooge #1 that believes he's so fucking bright he can easily moderate a Google hang out, exhibit C. A guy somewhere that fancies himself as a radio host that puts up a "show" that even in this nest of delusional, demented cheerleaders gets a top audience of ...4. Exhibit D. Another "leader" that purports to publish Vericoin news that only posts exercises in nothingness that clear nothing and confuse people even more... never providing any news. Exhibit E. Stooges #1 and 2# that even after all these weeks and numerous posts still hadn't learn to reflect, restrain and only open their mouth publicly when they have something informative to communicate and do it so in a manner that resembles some intelligence and a hint of professionalism. Exhibit F... I could go on. Is this the "team" you want to assemble? It is already assembled (and I haven't even mentioned toxic boy). And already firmly on the train to Palookaville, ok?

Listen, first attempt at any, ANY solution, when you have problems, the very first step, is to recognize that you have problems. Without that, any progression is impossible because, well, you are convinced you are doing things like gangbusters. Which is the case, amazingly, in spite of the overwhelming evidence.

Stooges, all over the place, running amok.

This is the example I mentioned above. Most of this was rehashing previous insults, seems to be about 90% pointing out perceived problems, laced with harsh comments with pretty much zero input on what, how to fix. what usually follows is some retaliation from some other member, then 10 pages later..more bickering. Yawn.

One of my main mantra in advertising : Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication.

The other might help you: If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. since someone previously quoted Albert Einstein

I am not one for many words, my patience ran out. This is no longer amusing or productive. If this was your goal to turn people away, mission accomplished. You win.

Good day sir !

[souljah1h]

So far I've never heard a proper explanation of why he had to move his coins to Bittrex when VRC was @30k. The only logical answer is to sell them.

It has been posted a few times in this thread. Search for yourself.

...and the answer is?

The answer is use the search button.

[snakesoft33]

Where is our super secret weapon   can't feal the heat!!!!!!!

[snakesoft33]

Where is our super secret weapon   can't feal the heat!!!!!!!

Need help ? where is our secret wepon ?

[sdmathis]

Where is our super secret weapon   can't feal the heat!!!!!!!

Need help ? where is our secret wepon ?

What are you talking about?

[ereborltc]

the hate is hilarious and all they can say at this point is "look at your cheerleaders or all your good for is +1,+1... or the visa is useless.. get a life scraping at anything you could bash lololol... i will be on veritalk from now on this place is a cesspool of ppl who want vrc to die cause of their losses or cause no one is interested in their ideas ... even if barabbas was smart he's def not a ppl person and is def a negative to be part of anything vrc... i literally scroll through his pages of useless repetitive fud ... WHY U STILL HERE loll don't u see no one cares and no one wants a part of any of your ideas ... your either a kid that got bullied or a nerd that lost btc or an adult with absolutely no life ,sitting in front of your computer for hrs on end publishing books probably in your tighty whities with cookie crumbs all over u ... the only time we have constructive convos is when your sleeping lol... anyhow enjoy replying with another full page response ... i won't even read it lol just like the rest...

with that said we should all be on the veritalk thread discussing real things and keep this thread here for the fudders to get their daily fix...

I'm happy with the visa ,and it does help, anyone who deosnt see that is ridiculous and their dreams are in the wrong place , no crypto alt will ever become mainstream without going through steps that gets in into regular ppls hands... even with the fees! so what that there are fees its a fee so that u can go and shop at walmart or louis vitton... or u can use veribit where btc is accepted without the fees or online ... so theres a way to spend vrc in every way possible, which to me is a great step in the right direction to the masses awareness... people bashing the look of the add is even funnier.."you can get that done anywhere or you could of chose a better looking girl" lololol you guys will say anything! To me, and i run a clothing line which requires photo shoots advertising etc.. this visa ad is fresh, clean, informative ,absolutely beautiful looks very vericoin! i like the look on all the vericoin banners adds etc.. clean and proper. i don't see any other coin besides the very very few that have this kind of image that can be taken seriously ... i remember the days APPLE went through something like this...hmmm

anyhow ill let barabbas start his essay, while i work on accumulating, see you all on veritalk!!!!

oh ya and I can't go with out a little cheerleading!! GREAT WORK @effectsToCause and everyone who put in work and continues to! looking forward to accomplishing this roadmap and creating great events for vericoins vision!!

++++++1

[ereborltc]

anyone sick of these pages of nonsense ...bring your convos and questions and ideas to http://www.veritalk.info ... i will keep reposting this so everyone can move the convos to a refreshing place with no fud...

go check it out i was overwhelmed with how ppl are there and being positive and constructive .. verileaders group is outstanding the response its getting from around the world!!

[socal]

Work is still being done there are a few more releases slated for the near future, I will also state the level of stupidity here is now reaching astronomical levels and we need a moderated forum/thread to silence the idiots that drown out real discussion. Barabbas while every once in awhile he does have a good idea he is personally so insufferable and spews so much bile that I'm sure most people that actually are working on furthering Vericoin have ignored him he needs an attitude adjustment and quick.

[luisb]

@DEVS: The community has been asking for the FORUM button on the wallet to lead to a moderated thread. Is it possible to provide this? Thanks.

We are going to do this so that there can be a non-combative, non-vulgar link in the wallet for the average person. We do intend to keep this thread as well so that there is an unmoderated place to speak freely as well. The thing is we can't convince "Aunt Emma" to use digitalcurrency and then lead her to stumble on massive repetitive and sometimes vulgar fudding at times and is quickly turned off for good.

So you want to convince "aunt Emma" to use digital currency... so she will download the wallet and press the button "to the forum" because she is going to do some "research" about VRC first...

but before all that you should think what are you going to tell her when she says, in response to your suggestion of using VRC instead CCs or paypal, something like:


1. Why should I take the risk of using vericoin if I already have a credit card and a paypal account, which offers me security features like charge backs and advantages like credit (CCs) or zero fees for online payments (paypal)?

2. Didn´t lose vericoin 80% of its value in a month?(BIG TURN OFF) I think is very risky to send my FIAT and my passport copy to a website called moolah or mintpal or you name it (YES ANOTHER BIG TURN OFF) and buy a string of code that can loose 80% value in a month, dont you think nephew? or is it really worthy taking that risk??

3. I prefer spending 2$ a month and have the possibility to charge back and have credit if i need it or use my Paypal account at zero cost and no risk of losing any money for price fluctuations...



 

[buy4crypto]

Buy4Crypto did the research and posted here a few links about pnosker 3-4 days ago. According to Buy4Crypto the links indicate pnosker is a pumper and involved in every P&D so far. Buy4Crypto seems a solid supporter, unbiased and the evidence he had collected strongly suggest something is fishy.  

Where are the links you are talking about or a post that he made with these accusations?  I just did a search of Buy4Cryptos recent/last messages ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=263360;sa=showPosts ) and couldn't find it, genuinely curious to see this.  

Hey asshole... Do you hold VRC? NO? Then fuck off little insignificant piece of shit

Bullshit, he posted here yesterday. Do your research correctly before fudding idiot

lol, did CodeHunter get reincarnated as ofp

Let me clarify

I think he was so aggresive in marketing the coin he ended up pumping the coin for people like Wizrig, and Crindon, unknowningly. He kept the momentum going which helped the pumpers do there thing during the roadmap phase. I posted many links, and have many more I could post to show during points of weakness how a new piece of information regarding a future event would come out. I even logged the amount of twitter posts and date, incase things got weird I can tell if many posts go missing.

So, I am not accusing anyone. I'm just a very clever businessman trying to protect the coin from self inflicted harm relating to business matters. If I have made a error relating to numbers, I am happy to discuss them at length with other capable people relating to that subject. I can't do anything the developers can do capably like coding, ect which is one of many strengths they have, and need to continue focus on. They have connections. I think they are extremely passionate, good people, who may be in over their heads relating to business matters, and PR. I have been consistant with this view since I entered VRC, and I will not change that opinion until I am proven wrong.

I think what it comes down to is the developers have to stop treating this as a hobby, and decide if they can, or cannot live without vericoin being the number 1 virtual currency. If they can live without vericoin being the number 1 virtual currency, then this coin will have a mountain to climb over the hundreds thousands of developers in the world willing to make a coin their entire life.

[Wreathy]

A man who had wasted his fortune had nothing left but the clothes he wore. On seeing a swallow one Spring morning he decided the weather would be warmer, so he sold his coat. The weather however turned colder the next day and killed the swallow. When the shivering man saw the dead swallow he moaned, "Thanks to you I am freezing."

             

[altcoinUK]

A man who had wasted his fortune had nothing left but the clothes he wore. On seeing a swallow one Spring morning he decided the weather would be warmer, so he sold his coat. The weather however turned colder the next day and killed the swallow. When the shivering man saw the dead swallow he moaned, "Thanks to you I am freezing."

             

The moral of this story, which the FUDders must understand, if the man had a Vericoin VISA card he could buy a new coat.

[Wreathy]

A man who had wasted his fortune had nothing left but the clothes he wore. On seeing a swallow one Spring morning he decided the weather would be warmer, so he sold his coat. The weather however turned colder the next day and killed the swallow. When the shivering man saw the dead swallow he moaned, "Thanks to you I am freezing."

             

The moral of this story, which the FUDders must understand, if the man had a Vericoin VISA card he could buy a new coat.

Yup with several options including a new debit card.

[GaliX]

1. Why should I take the risk of using vericoin if I already have a credit card and a paypal account, which offers me security features like charge backs and advantages like credit (CCs) or zero fees for online payments (paypal)?

wow, you don't even know how much fee PayPal charges for their randomly freezing money system.
Everybody with 5 fingers on his hand should understand that you are just talking trash.

[altcoinUK]

A man who had wasted his fortune had nothing left but the clothes he wore. On seeing a swallow one Spring morning he decided the weather would be warmer, so he sold his coat. The weather however turned colder the next day and killed the swallow. When the shivering man saw the dead swallow he moaned, "Thanks to you I am freezing."

             

The moral of this story, which the FUDders must understand, if the man had a Vericoin VISA card he could buy a new coat.

Yup with several options including a new debit card.

Fully agree. Not to mention, using the VeriCoin VISA card the man could bring back the swallow from the dead. The FUDders don't get it how useful is the Vericoin VISA card.

[Wreathy]

A man who had wasted his fortune had nothing left but the clothes he wore. On seeing a swallow one Spring morning he decided the weather would be warmer, so he sold his coat. The weather however turned colder the next day and killed the swallow. When the shivering man saw the dead swallow he moaned, "Thanks to you I am freezing."

             

The moral of this story, which the FUDders must understand, if the man had a Vericoin VISA card he could buy a new coat.

Yup with several options including a new debit card.

Fully agree. Not to mention, using the VeriCoin VISA card the man could bring back the swallow from the dead. The FUDders don't get it how useful is the Vericoin VISA card.

They can bring bird back to life?. Any chance you could explain if you can veri interested.

[luisb]

1. Why should I take the risk of using vericoin if I already have a credit card and a paypal account, which offers me security features like charge backs and advantages like credit (CCs) or zero fees for online payments (paypal)?

wow, you don't even know how much fee PayPal charges for their randomly freezing money system.
Everybody with 5 fingers on his hand should understand that you are just talking trash.

Well I have always used Paypal and never payed a cent for doing so... no idea what you´re talking about. Could you explain me what "randomly freezing money system" is about instead of trolling and insulting...

https://www.paypal.com/webapps/mpp/paypal-fees

[Wreathy]

1. Why should I take the risk of using vericoin if I already have a credit card and a paypal account, which offers me security features like charge backs and advantages like credit (CCs) or zero fees for online payments (paypal)?

wow, you don't even know how much fee PayPal charges for their randomly freezing money system.
Everybody with 5 fingers on his hand should understand that you are just talking trash.

Well I have always used Paypal and never payed a cent for doing so... no idea what you´re talking about. Could you explain me what "randomly freezing money system" is about instead of trolling and insulting...

https://www.paypal.com/webapps/mpp/paypal-fees

It’s free to use PayPal to send or receive money between friends and family in the UK, as long as the payment is funded by a debit card, bank account or PayPal balance, and no currency conversion is involved.
If you fund the payment using a credit card or make an international transfer, we charge you or, in some cases, the recipient a small fee. A currency conversion fee may also apply.
We think that’s pretty fair.

This is just the UK terms conveniently placed to say we do this great reward SCHEME.

what you don't see straight away are costs in figures/numbers just text and misleading promotional speel.

I seldom use it for family use, think this is more of a bragging right than it serves, unless your sending to family all year long, and before you hit the max allowance of roughly 4.500£ worth of transactions when your promptly reminded its there duty to inform the inland revenue of your earnings.

Sending or receiving money between friends and family within the UK :Free for payments when the payment is funded by the sender’s PayPal balance, bank account or debit card. If you use a credit card, a fee of 3.4% + 20p applies. The sender usually chooses who pays the fee.
Sending or receiving money to/from friends and family outside the UK :
A small fee applies to cross-border payments, depending on where the sender and the recipient are based and how the payment is funded.
The sender usually chooses who pays the fee.
Sending or receiving money between friends and family within the UK (in foreign currencies) :Currency conversion fees apply. If you are using a credit or debit card, a fee of 3.4% + 20p will also apply.

Sellers Fees are also applied.

Look harder there are lots of fees. : (