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June 01, 2012, 05:37:40 PM
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June 01, 2012, 05:52:40 PM
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June 01, 2012, 06:23:39 PM
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+67!!  the collapse has inverted!!
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June 01, 2012, 06:25:22 PM
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get ready:

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June 01, 2012, 06:28:22 PM
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June 01, 2012, 06:30:55 PM
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there is absolutely no such thing in existence...
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June 01, 2012, 06:37:24 PM
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Yes there is but it has to be controlled by a horse type thing:


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June 01, 2012, 06:50:28 PM
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oh my.
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June 01, 2012, 07:40:07 PM
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I do have bitcoin... about 1.3 bitcoins... all of it donated, won, or from the faucets. The thing that has kept me back from buying is largely the security aspect, also MtGox was really expensive but isn't as much anymore. I still don't trust it very much because of the security issues it has had. What do people say about Intersango or any other exchanges?

Better get them while they are still around $5.


i've always used just mtgox.  wire them money, buy Bitcoins, and immediately transfer them to offline wallet.  pretty safe.  glad to hear the fees are better now.

yes, better get them. I use intersango regularly and am content all-in-all, but the volume there is probably not enough for your purposes.

If you think liquidity is an issue, you could try to find some big fish to sell to you without moving the markets.

Any way you do it, I'd recommend going slow and also distributing amongst different exchange mechanisms. Don't just upload 250K USD to mtgox and hope everything will be fine. Do it in batches and grab the coins to your secure location whenever there are some.

For secure storage a couple of possibilities in order of personal preference (ascending):

    * buy a couple of casascius 1 BTC coins and store your coins on them ((+), (-) you trust casascius, requires safekeeping (against theft and loss) of single coin)

    * use one of the brainwallet suggestions ((+) it's only in your brain, (-) but to sign you need to import into some client which is attackable)

    * use vanity-gen to generate random address, print the private key and put in safe location for later import into a wallet ((+) simple, low dependency impact, (-): requires safekeeping (against theft) of a non-encrypted private key)

    * improvement for vanity-gen-approach: encrypt the keys before you copy/store them.

    * use separate pc with armory, encrypted wallet (use long pw), make paper-backup of wallet seed, never connnect machine to internet, create watch-only-copy of the wallet and import that into another, this time well-connected instance of armory (allows to generate new addresses without also generating the private key). To transfer money, you'll need to generate a signing request, transfer that to the offline machine, sign it there, transfer the signed transaction back to well-connected armory for publishing.

just my 20 mikes...

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June 01, 2012, 08:22:28 PM
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    * use separate pc with armory, encrypted wallet (use long pw), make paper-backup of wallet seed, never connnect machine to internet, create watch-only-copy of the wallet and import that into another, this time well-connected instance of armory (allows to generate new addresses without also generating the private key). To transfer money, you'll need to generate a signing request, transfer that to the offline machine, sign it there, transfer the signed transaction back to well-connected armory for publishing.

Do this.  This is by far the safest and easiest way to secure a personal stash of bitcoins.
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June 01, 2012, 08:44:14 PM
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    * use separate pc with armory, encrypted wallet (use long pw), make paper-backup of wallet seed, never connnect machine to internet, create watch-only-copy of the wallet and import that into another, this time well-connected instance of armory (allows to generate new addresses without also generating the private key). To transfer money, you'll need to generate a signing request, transfer that to the offline machine, sign it there, transfer the signed transaction back to well-connected armory for publishing.

Do this.  This is by far the safest and easiest way to secure a personal stash of bitcoins.

What!! Just put them all in with Pirate and roll the dice baby!!

GO BIG OR GO HOME!!
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June 01, 2012, 08:49:52 PM
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Also a very complicated way that requires another computer to be left offline. Is there a real issue with creating a private key and storing it off the computer for a later import in which case the bitcoins can then be sold and the excess bitcoins can be sent to a new private key stored offline? I don't think my computer is vulnerable to any malware and is there even malware that can steal generated keys and send them when the computer is next connected to the internet?

Obviously, offline wallet devices would be nice like the card readers the banks use to protect cardholder data. I know people are working on these.

I need to have the keys on paper as my memory is not reliable.  Wink

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June 01, 2012, 09:15:17 PM
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So much for the gold bears:


Triple bottom bitches:

http://sovereign-investor.com/2012/06/01/how-to-get-ready-for-the-next-leg-of-the-gold-rally

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June 01, 2012, 09:16:14 PM
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If your dealing with less then 10k btc, standard client with encryption on a computer deemed "safe"  is probably all right..

The number of peeps who have lost btc to keylogger trojans that stole the encryption key is very small...
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June 01, 2012, 10:10:33 PM
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there is absolutely no such thing in existence...

The power of love alone can carry these things.....
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June 01, 2012, 11:06:41 PM
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Obviously, offline wallet devices would be nice like the card readers the banks use to protect cardholder data. I know people are working on these.

Yep, people are working on those.
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June 01, 2012, 11:25:00 PM
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If your dealing with less then 10k btc, standard client with encryption on a computer deemed "safe"  is probably all right..

The number of peeps who have lost btc to keylogger trojans that stole the encryption key is very small...

I primarily want offline storage in the case of hard drive failure.

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June 01, 2012, 11:42:44 PM
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If your dealing with less then 10k btc, standard client with encryption on a computer deemed "safe"  is probably all right..

The number of peeps who have lost btc to keylogger trojans that stole the encryption key is very small...

I primarily want offline storage in the case of hard drive failure.

Just copy the wallet.dat to a thumbdrive and store it offsite.
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June 02, 2012, 01:28:18 AM
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If your dealing with less then 10k btc, standard client with encryption on a computer deemed "safe"  is probably all right..

The number of peeps who have lost btc to keylogger trojans that stole the encryption key is very small...

I primarily want offline storage in the case of hard drive failure.

Just copy the wallet.dat to a thumbdrive and store it offsite.

Or create a paper wallet, laminate it, and store it offsite in a safe.
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June 02, 2012, 01:29:56 AM
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If your dealing with less then 10k btc, standard client with encryption on a computer deemed "safe"  is probably all right..

The number of peeps who have lost btc to keylogger trojans that stole the encryption key is very small...

I primarily want offline storage in the case of hard drive failure.

Just copy the wallet.dat to a thumbdrive and store it offsite.

Or create a paper wallet, laminate it, and store it offsite in a safe.

or create a paper wallet, memoriz the key and destroy the paper

Store your savings in your head! Cool

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