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The existence of the universe is a proof of the existence of our god and our life that we live is not sebagaimn we expect also adlh evidence of the intervention of the will of god which we can not deny
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Actually, my links don't have anything to do with debunking the scientific proof that God exists. You simply say they do. And your links don't debunk the scientific proof that God exists. You simply shove into them a bunch of things, written by others, that you can't explain, yourself. If you want to debunk the scientific proof that God exists, find a point in the proof, explain your debunking point in simple language, and let's take it from there. The scientific proof, again, is: 1. cause and effect, combined with; 2. entropy, combined with; 3. complexity; and the explanation is found here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380. Certainly if you need more info, you can research beyond the links.  |
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Actually, my links don't have anything to do with debunking the scientific proof that God exists. You simply say they do. And your links don't debunk the scientific proof that God exists. You simply shove into them a bunch of things, written by others, that you can't explain, yourself. If you want to debunk the scientific proof that God exists, find a point in the proof, explain your debunking point in simple language, and let's take it from there. The scientific proof, again, is: 1. cause and effect, combined with; 2. entropy, combined with; 3. complexity; and the explanation is found here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380. Certainly if you need more info, you can research beyond the links. You don't know if everything has a cause, you just simply say that's the case but as I said several times there are physicists that would claim that radioactivity decay doesn't have a cause. Now even if we agree that everything has a cause, the argument of cause and effect stops there. You established that everything has a cause. Now to jump from that conclusion to the conclusion that God did it, it's a leap of faith and you have nothing to back up that claim, sure the universe is complex but that still doesn't prove God made it. |
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Actually, my links don't have anything to do with debunking the scientific proof that God exists. You simply say they do. And your links don't debunk the scientific proof that God exists. You simply shove into them a bunch of things, written by others, that you can't explain, yourself. If you want to debunk the scientific proof that God exists, find a point in the proof, explain your debunking point in simple language, and let's take it from there. The scientific proof, again, is: 1. cause and effect, combined with; 2. entropy, combined with; 3. complexity; and the explanation is found here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380. Certainly if you need more info, you can research beyond the links. You don't know if everything has a cause, you just simply say that's the case but as I said several times there are physicists that would claim that radioactivity decay doesn't have a cause. Now even if we agree that everything has a cause, the argument of cause and effect stops there. You established that everything has a cause. Now to jump from that conclusion to the conclusion that God did it, it's a leap of faith and you have nothing to back up that claim, sure the universe is complex but that still doesn't prove God made it. Today, the topic of asceticism and other trends, which reject any religion and existence of God, is developing very strongly. The impression is that people are mistakenly introduced specifically and want to make people more without figurative in this regard. |
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Actually, my links don't have anything to do with debunking the scientific proof that God exists. You simply say they do. And your links don't debunk the scientific proof that God exists. You simply shove into them a bunch of things, written by others, that you can't explain, yourself. If you want to debunk the scientific proof that God exists, find a point in the proof, explain your debunking point in simple language, and let's take it from there. The scientific proof, again, is: 1. cause and effect, combined with; 2. entropy, combined with; 3. complexity; and the explanation is found here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380. Certainly if you need more info, you can research beyond the links. You don't know if everything has a cause, you just simply say that's the case but as I said several times there are physicists that would claim that radioactivity decay doesn't have a cause. Now even if we agree that everything has a cause, the argument of cause and effect stops there. You established that everything has a cause. Now to jump from that conclusion to the conclusion that God did it, it's a leap of faith and you have nothing to back up that claim, sure the universe is complex but that still doesn't prove God made it. Cause and effect act in everything that we see, understand. Arguments against it haven't been substantiated. The links attempt to show you that no matter what the source of cause and effect is, it is God. Let me state several very goofy things to show you what I mean:1. If cause and effect were put into place by a certain microbe, then that certain microbe is God; 2. If cause and effect were put into place by Zeus, then Zeus is God; 3. If cause and effect were put into place by a salamander, then the salamander is God; 4. If cause and effect were put into place by big bang, then big bang is God; 5. Whatever put cause and effect into place, that "thing" is God. Get the idea? We don't know what it is that set up cause and effect to work way it works. But whatever did it, it is God. We see this by the ultra-complex way that cause and effect act. Entropy shows us that there was a beginning, so that we can't say that everything always acted this way for no reason we can put our finger on. My links explain this. But you are having so much trouble forcing yourself to understand the stuff in the links because you don't want to, that I see that I have to force you to understand it. The only way that you can NOT understand is to be gone from this and similar threads. |
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Ok my friend, seeing how you're so adamant that science proves god exists, (and please you don't need to paste your stupid links for the sixty billionth time) how about you post your scientific definition of God ? Incoming idiotic.... "beyond our thinking" or "outside our universe" or "undefinable" etc etc etc bla bla bla".... cop out drivel of a reply (with his 3 links at the end of course) in 3....2....1 The Helix Nebula  (NOT "the "eye of god" ... that's insulting... albeit to be nice to my buddy BADecker, (and make him a meme) , I didn't crop out the G and d.)  |
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Science and religion need to work together more and focus on their similarities rather than their differences. If they do, they'll get more information like this out to us. It's for the benefit of mankind, not one side wanting to prove themselves right to the other side.
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Actually, my links don't have anything to do with debunking the scientific proof that God exists. You simply say they do. And your links don't debunk the scientific proof that God exists. You simply shove into them a bunch of things, written by others, that you can't explain, yourself. If you want to debunk the scientific proof that God exists, find a point in the proof, explain your debunking point in simple language, and let's take it from there. The scientific proof, again, is: 1. cause and effect, combined with; 2. entropy, combined with; 3. complexity; and the explanation is found here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380. Certainly if you need more info, you can research beyond the links. You don't know if everything has a cause, you just simply say that's the case but as I said several times there are physicists that would claim that radioactivity decay doesn't have a cause. Now even if we agree that everything has a cause, the argument of cause and effect stops there. You established that everything has a cause. Now to jump from that conclusion to the conclusion that God did it, it's a leap of faith and you have nothing to back up that claim, sure the universe is complex but that still doesn't prove God made it. Cause and effect act in everything that we see, understand. Arguments against it haven't been substantiated. The links attempt to show you that no matter what the source of cause and effect is, it is God. Let me state several very goofy things to show you what I mean:1. If cause and effect were put into place by a certain microbe, then that certain microbe is God; 2. If cause and effect were put into place by Zeus, then Zeus is God; 3. If cause and effect were put into place by a salamander, then the salamander is God; 4. If cause and effect were put into place by big bang, then big bang is God; 5. Whatever put cause and effect into place, that "thing" is God. Get the idea? We don't know what it is that set up cause and effect to work way it works. But whatever did it, it is God. We see this by the ultra-complex way that cause and effect act. Entropy shows us that there was a beginning, so that we can't say that everything always acted this way for no reason we can put our finger on. My links explain this. But you are having so much trouble forcing yourself to understand the stuff in the links because you don't want to, that I see that I have to force you to understand it. The only way that you can NOT understand is to be gone from this and similar threads. The problem with that is that the big bang is not something alive therefore you can't call it god, it is not something that is sentient or aware, it's just a process and the same thing happens with many other possibilities. |
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You don't really need a proof to believe that god exist. You will know that he exist when you are in hardship and praying for his help and there he will make you feel that he exist and will do miracle that will make you believe that he is really there and existing. Well, For me I believe that God is always there because i already felt and experience how god move and make miracles.
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We currently don't have scientific proof of god, so it's more a topic of faith than science
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Actually, my links don't have anything to do with debunking the scientific proof that God exists. You simply say they do. And your links don't debunk the scientific proof that God exists. You simply shove into them a bunch of things, written by others, that you can't explain, yourself. If you want to debunk the scientific proof that God exists, find a point in the proof, explain your debunking point in simple language, and let's take it from there. The scientific proof, again, is: 1. cause and effect, combined with; 2. entropy, combined with; 3. complexity; and the explanation is found here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380. Certainly if you need more info, you can research beyond the links. You don't know if everything has a cause, you just simply say that's the case but as I said several times there are physicists that would claim that radioactivity decay doesn't have a cause. Now even if we agree that everything has a cause, the argument of cause and effect stops there. You established that everything has a cause. Now to jump from that conclusion to the conclusion that God did it, it's a leap of faith and you have nothing to back up that claim, sure the universe is complex but that still doesn't prove God made it. Cause and effect act in everything that we see, understand. Arguments against it haven't been substantiated. The links attempt to show you that no matter what the source of cause and effect is, it is God. Let me state several very goofy things to show you what I mean:1. If cause and effect were put into place by a certain microbe, then that certain microbe is God; 2. If cause and effect were put into place by Zeus, then Zeus is God; 3. If cause and effect were put into place by a salamander, then the salamander is God; 4. If cause and effect were put into place by big bang, then big bang is God; 5. Whatever put cause and effect into place, that "thing" is God. Get the idea? We don't know what it is that set up cause and effect to work way it works. But whatever did it, it is God. We see this by the ultra-complex way that cause and effect act. Entropy shows us that there was a beginning, so that we can't say that everything always acted this way for no reason we can put our finger on. My links explain this. But you are having so much trouble forcing yourself to understand the stuff in the links because you don't want to, that I see that I have to force you to understand it. The only way that you can NOT understand is to be gone from this and similar threads. The problem with that is that the big bang is not something alive therefore you can't call it god, it is not something that is sentient or aware, it's just a process and the same thing happens with many other possibilities. That's a problem for big bang. Big bang math doesn't account for the complexities of the universe, especially life, human intelligence, the human brain, the emotion, the spirit and soul. Since it doesn't account for these things, it is incomplete with regard to reality. BB might be complete regarding itself. But it isn't the way things work in reality. Thank you for pointing out that BB as it theoretically stands can't be God. But if it happened to be the source of cause and effect - cause and effect which produces life, human intelligence, the human brain, the emotion, the spirit and soul, and everything else as well - then it would be God. |
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Actually, my links don't have anything to do with debunking the scientific proof that God exists. You simply say they do. And your links don't debunk the scientific proof that God exists. You simply shove into them a bunch of things, written by others, that you can't explain, yourself. If you want to debunk the scientific proof that God exists, find a point in the proof, explain your debunking point in simple language, and let's take it from there. The scientific proof, again, is: 1. cause and effect, combined with; 2. entropy, combined with; 3. complexity; and the explanation is found here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380. Certainly if you need more info, you can research beyond the links. You don't know if everything has a cause, you just simply say that's the case but as I said several times there are physicists that would claim that radioactivity decay doesn't have a cause. Now even if we agree that everything has a cause, the argument of cause and effect stops there. You established that everything has a cause. Now to jump from that conclusion to the conclusion that God did it, it's a leap of faith and you have nothing to back up that claim, sure the universe is complex but that still doesn't prove God made it. Cause and effect act in everything that we see, understand. Arguments against it haven't been substantiated. The links attempt to show you that no matter what the source of cause and effect is, it is God. Let me state several very goofy things to show you what I mean:1. If cause and effect were put into place by a certain microbe, then that certain microbe is God; 2. If cause and effect were put into place by Zeus, then Zeus is God; 3. If cause and effect were put into place by a salamander, then the salamander is God; 4. If cause and effect were put into place by big bang, then big bang is God; 5. Whatever put cause and effect into place, that "thing" is God. Get the idea? We don't know what it is that set up cause and effect to work way it works. But whatever did it, it is God. We see this by the ultra-complex way that cause and effect act. Entropy shows us that there was a beginning, so that we can't say that everything always acted this way for no reason we can put our finger on. My links explain this. But you are having so much trouble forcing yourself to understand the stuff in the links because you don't want to, that I see that I have to force you to understand it. The only way that you can NOT understand is to be gone from this and similar threads. The problem with that is that the big bang is not something alive therefore you can't call it god, it is not something that is sentient or aware, it's just a process and the same thing happens with many other possibilities. That's a problem for big bang. Big bang math doesn't account for the complexities of the universe, especially life, human intelligence, the human brain, the emotion, the spirit and soul. Since it doesn't account for these things, it is incomplete with regard to reality. BB might be complete regarding itself. But it isn't the way things work in reality. Thank you for pointing out that BB as it theoretically stands can't be God. But if it happened to be the source of cause and effect - cause and effect which produces life, human intelligence, the human brain, the emotion, the spirit and soul, and everything else as well - then it would be God. No, it wouldn't. God is supposed to be the creator. The big bang is just a process, it's like calling a tsunami, God. God is supposed to be sentient and aware, not just a process or stardust as you say. Otherwise I don't know what your definition of God is, since you never really explained it. |
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Actually, my links don't have anything to do with debunking the scientific proof that God exists. You simply say they do. And your links don't debunk the scientific proof that God exists. You simply shove into them a bunch of things, written by others, that you can't explain, yourself. If you want to debunk the scientific proof that God exists, find a point in the proof, explain your debunking point in simple language, and let's take it from there. The scientific proof, again, is: 1. cause and effect, combined with; 2. entropy, combined with; 3. complexity; and the explanation is found here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380. Certainly if you need more info, you can research beyond the links. You don't know if everything has a cause, you just simply say that's the case but as I said several times there are physicists that would claim that radioactivity decay doesn't have a cause. Now even if we agree that everything has a cause, the argument of cause and effect stops there. You established that everything has a cause. Now to jump from that conclusion to the conclusion that God did it, it's a leap of faith and you have nothing to back up that claim, sure the universe is complex but that still doesn't prove God made it. Cause and effect act in everything that we see, understand. Arguments against it haven't been substantiated. The links attempt to show you that no matter what the source of cause and effect is, it is God. Let me state several very goofy things to show you what I mean:1. If cause and effect were put into place by a certain microbe, then that certain microbe is God; 2. If cause and effect were put into place by Zeus, then Zeus is God; 3. If cause and effect were put into place by a salamander, then the salamander is God; 4. If cause and effect were put into place by big bang, then big bang is God; 5. Whatever put cause and effect into place, that "thing" is God. Get the idea? We don't know what it is that set up cause and effect to work way it works. But whatever did it, it is God. We see this by the ultra-complex way that cause and effect act. Entropy shows us that there was a beginning, so that we can't say that everything always acted this way for no reason we can put our finger on. My links explain this. But you are having so much trouble forcing yourself to understand the stuff in the links because you don't want to, that I see that I have to force you to understand it. The only way that you can NOT understand is to be gone from this and similar threads. The problem with that is that the big bang is not something alive therefore you can't call it god, it is not something that is sentient or aware, it's just a process and the same thing happens with many other possibilities. That's a problem for big bang. Big bang math doesn't account for the complexities of the universe, especially life, human intelligence, the human brain, the emotion, the spirit and soul. Since it doesn't account for these things, it is incomplete with regard to reality. BB might be complete regarding itself. But it isn't the way things work in reality. Thank you for pointing out that BB as it theoretically stands can't be God. But if it happened to be the source of cause and effect - cause and effect which produces life, human intelligence, the human brain, the emotion, the spirit and soul, and everything else as well - then it would be God. No, it wouldn't. God is supposed to be the creator. The big bang is just a process, it's like calling a tsunami, God. God is supposed to be sentient and aware, not just a process or stardust as you say. Otherwise I don't know what your definition of God is, since you never really explained it. Nobody has come near answering all the questions regarding how BB produced the universe. BB math has barely become strong enough to show that it might exist. The fact that it has been proven possible by lab experimentation actually creating a BB, shows that BB doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the creation of the universe. The point wasn't BB being the "creator." The point was that if BB WAS the creator, then it would be God. Why? Because only God, no matter what he/she/it is, could create the super-complexities of the universe... especially the mind-boggling massive amount of cause and effect that exists all over the place all the time. Why does the universe reflect God? Because we have found no other answer to where this "stuff" of the universe could come from. |
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I need no proof that God exists, you only need to believe in God and he will reveal himself to you in many wonderful ways.
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I need no proof that God exists, you only need to believe in God and he will reveal himself to you in many wonderful ways.
While this ^^^ is truth, this thread is about scientific proof. |
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People body, plant's body, cell's body and all other live organisms are physical proofs of God's existence.
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People body, plant's body, cell's body and all other live organisms are physical proofs of God's existence.
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I need no proof that God exists, you only need to believe in God and he will reveal himself to you in many wonderful ways.
While this ^^^ is truth, this thread is about scientific proof.  |
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