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March 12, 2016, 04:06:02 PM
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I have been monitoring this thread almost from the beginning. First I need to apologize to Ohad for not having believed in the project.
It now looks like it's getting to places.

I would like to bring to attention the incentives that are associated with the pre-sale.
From a utility perspective, people have actually few incentives to buy tokens today, since supply is almost unlimited relative to demand (less than 4 million sold from 42 million) and they will be sold "up to Agoras' genesis" which is probably more than year away. This would make this the longest ICO ever.

People minimize their uncertainty by not buying now, since the genesis block is very far away and it's better to wait until shortly before launch. They lose nothing by this behavior since token price has been frozen and is no longer rising 2% per week. The people who have already bought tokens have no explicit incentive to spread word about the project, since this would dilute their own stake (maybe there is an incentive for people who are extremely rational and come to the conclusion that better capitalization and distribution increases the value of the project, but I would not count on this one.)

Project marketing and institutionalization are also still in their infancy and currently add not much yet in terms of reaching critical mass of awareness and the network effects associated with it. Nothing is known about other contributors than Ohad. I like the Youtube videos about Tau chain /Agoras /Zennet which did much to my understanding of the project, but they are not as professional as the videos that Ethereum did for their pre-sale (and even they did not convince me to buy into ETH ICO Wink ). The good thing is that this project has definitely more substance than semblance.

I think it's not so good to introduce a trading market (Bittrex) to the tokens while the pre-sale is still going on. There will be a equilibrium market price that has to be below the pre-sale price and  the pre-sale price itself acts as absorbing upward barrier while coins are still being sold. As more coins get available on the market, almost all transactions will take place below the barrier and fewer and fewer coins will be sold though the pre-sale. So the market results in less tokens sold though the pre-sale. I think it's better to first bring out an appealing website and marketing material to create enough awareness and only introduce a market once the pre-sale is over. Of course this is not an option now, but what can be done is publication of sufficient marketing materials and introduction of a definite time limit to the pre-sale.
 
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March 12, 2016, 06:57:25 PM
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I agree with the above. Declare a final presale for 30-60 days with increased price points. Increase devs share and also use (multi sig or escrow) a share of AGRS exclusively for a marketing fund.

So say you'll have for example 10M final coins, of which 1M for devs and 0.5M for marketing. then the market will determine the rest. I believe that just like the ETH foundation that now has x64 of the pre sale value so here the 1M will be worth a lot and enough to push the projects as more independent developers come on board.

This way what ever trading in bitterx and polo will be with existing post sale coins and the market will be built with the advancement of the project to serious value in which the 1.5M dev and marketing fund will become significant even if actual agoras take another year.

see eth that took a year from presale to launch and now augur that will also take almost a year (post beta in september or so).
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March 12, 2016, 08:21:09 PM
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Guys have you been reading too much Wolfram? This is awsome.
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March 12, 2016, 09:48:57 PM
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I think the project is going great considering the fact that it never halted and was always on a forward motion.
This is a BIG project, not something small and marginal like so many shameless examples - try to understand that and aim your expectations accordingly! It does not and should not take little time to build a grand innovative instrument!
Patience is needed and rewards will surely follow to those who are willing to wait.


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March 12, 2016, 11:28:54 PM
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Can I withdraw my Agoras Tokens from the bittrex somehow? Just in case it would be shut down. What wallet app do I need for that?

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March 12, 2016, 11:32:30 PM
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Can I withdraw my Agoras Tokens from the bittrex somehow? Just in case it would be shut down. What wallet app do I need for that?

omniwallet .

it's basically a token on omni(formerly mastercoin) currently
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March 12, 2016, 11:38:33 PM
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omniwallet .
it's basically a token on omni(formerly mastercoin) currently
Thanks! Could someone give a link to a blockexplorer page with distribution of these tokens among addresses?

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March 13, 2016, 12:03:25 AM
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Ohad recommended this one: http://omnichest.info/lookupsp.aspx?sp=35
However, I have not yet figured out how to view the token distribution.
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March 13, 2016, 09:36:36 AM
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Soon I'll upload a blog post discussing the raised subjects in length (and put a link here when ready)

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March 14, 2016, 01:23:38 AM
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Where can I buy coins via IPO?

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March 14, 2016, 02:17:58 AM
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Where can I buy coins via IPO?

Cheers

If you want to invest you should read the 1st post in the thread...


Presale
AgorasTokens (AGRS) are being traded on Bittrex https://bittrex.com/Market/Index?MarketName=BTC-AGRS
More information: http://www.idni.org/pre-sale


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March 14, 2016, 01:30:29 PM
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New blogpost (including modification of sale details) http://www.idni.org/blog/projectroadmap

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March 14, 2016, 04:07:56 PM
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Hi,
and what is the price now, till April 1?
But the market can overwrite this prices.

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March 14, 2016, 04:15:11 PM
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Hi,
and what is the price now, till April 1?
But the market can overwrite this prices.

The price we sell at now is 17 cents (USD) per token

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March 14, 2016, 05:24:41 PM
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Hi,
and what is the price now, till April 1?
But the market can overwrite this prices.

The price we sell at now is 17 cents (USD) per token
Do you accept BTC or Euro?

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March 14, 2016, 05:25:45 PM
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Hi,
and what is the price now, till April 1?
But the market can overwrite this prices.

The price we sell at now is 17 cents (USD) per token
Do you accept BTC or Euro?

BTC but the price is set in USD since the beginning

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March 14, 2016, 06:11:15 PM
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omniwallet .

it's basically a token on omni(formerly mastercoin) currently

Omniwalet is a browser wallet. Is there a local wallet?

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March 14, 2016, 06:12:09 PM
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omniwallet .

it's basically a token on omni(formerly mastercoin) currently

Omniwalet (https://www.omniwallet.org/about) is a browser wallet. Is there a local wallet?

yes, omnicore http://www.omnilayer.org/

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March 14, 2016, 06:13:30 PM
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Thanks!

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March 15, 2016, 12:12:49 AM
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What will be final amount of Agoras tokens 42 or 147 million?
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