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March 19, 2016, 05:52:10 AM
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Agoras marketplace is close to Elastic project, isn't it?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1396233.0

elastic is unsuccessfully trying to fulfill zennet's vision, in which we understood a year ago that ends up as a small feature in agoras
What about this one,seems like elastic and zennet.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1401477.0

looks even worse than elastic
Another,why you think unsuccessfully trying?
They tried to realize it with a NXT style POS.

elastic's under-construction design doesnt seem to converge to something that makes sense
scn doesnt seem to even have that

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March 19, 2016, 05:55:47 AM
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Agoras marketplace is close to Elastic project, isn't it?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1396233.0

elastic is unsuccessfully trying to fulfill zennet's vision, in which we understood a year ago that ends up as a small feature in agoras
What about this one,seems like elastic and zennet.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1401477.0

looks even worse than elastic
Another,why you think unsuccessfully trying?
They tried to realize it with a NXT style POS.


elastic's under-construction design doesnt seem to converge to something that makes sense
scn doesnt seem to even have that
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March 19, 2016, 02:44:16 PM
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whether the currently available android wallet ?

Thanks before


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March 19, 2016, 03:18:29 PM
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whether the currently available android wallet ?

Thanks before

there exists this one https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.meshcollision.wallet.omnicoin
but i have no experience nor knowledge regarding it so don't take this as a recommendation

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March 19, 2016, 05:03:48 PM
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whether the currently available android wallet ?

Thanks before

there exists this one https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.meshcollision.wallet.omnicoin
but i have no experience nor knowledge regarding it so don't take this as a recommendation

Oh...thanks mate!  Smiley


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March 22, 2016, 08:52:17 AM
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What about this project? It is similar to Ta-Chain?

https://www.bigchaindb.com/

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March 22, 2016, 09:01:02 AM
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What about this project? It is similar to Ta-Chain?

https://www.bigchaindb.com/

it's similar to tau's dht layer.
can be viewed as some upgraded design of storj.
yet tau is mainly about running code, rather storing and reasoning over it which are important parts as well.
tau's code is written in rdf (facts and rules) which is "the new sql", and tau's reasoner is basically querying a database. so-called "rule engine". just existing rdf rule engines don't have MLTT logic, as they're Turing complete.

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March 22, 2016, 09:08:19 AM
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English translation of a Hebrew talk I gave on a Bitcoin conference recently https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Utggm7cuGbo (enable subtitles)

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March 22, 2016, 10:57:47 AM
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Great lecture!

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That was indeed a fantastic lecture, thanks for posting.

Please excuse my lack of knowledge of semantic web at this point but will there be a way for developers who are familiar with other OO languages to write code into the tauchain? It seems like it would be a huge mainstream adoption hurdle to overcome if all people have to write/find in the RDF family. I understand that having provable code is the whole point of Tau and RDF allows that, I just see limitations if anyone who wants to adopt has to understand RDF to write it or create the requirements to check if it is already in the chain.

Other than dogma, is there a reason to make this a public project? What is stopping Ohad from going private with this once it gets close and keeping this incredible technology to a business of his own? I generally don't understand why this needs to have a public element to it at all other than having strong ideals.

I think Im going to gamble and invest a lot in this, the payoff is huge.
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March 24, 2016, 02:13:36 AM
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That was indeed a fantastic lecture, thanks for posting.

Please excuse my lack of knowledge of semantic web at this point but will there be a way for developers who are familiar with other OO languages to write code into the tauchain? It seems like it would be a huge mainstream adoption hurdle to overcome if all people have to write/find in the RDF family. I understand that having provable code is the whole point of Tau and RDF allows that, I just see limitations if anyone who wants to adopt has to understand RDF to write it or create the requirements to check if it is already in the chain.

Other than dogma, is there a reason to make this a public project? What is stopping Ohad from going private with this once it gets close and keeping this incredible technology to a business of his own? I generally don't understand why this needs to have a public element to it at all other than having strong ideals.

I think Im going to gamble and invest a lot in this, the payoff is huge.

thanks, RDF doesn't have a decidable logic! it's tau's innovation to combine MLTT with RDF, which will allow provable code.
RDF is a family of languages, well known and one of the most widely used.
Tau is built in a way that it can have additional frontends, namely, every language will work as long as it is translated to triples/quads or equivalent.
the reason the project is public is that it is exactly what the project is about. it has nothing new to offer otherwise. more info is all around, but to name two posts: http://www.idni.org/blog/decentralized-democracy and www.idni.org/blog/projectroadmap

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March 24, 2016, 08:33:40 AM
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Ohad, when it comes time to create the Agoras token, would/could you consider CryptoNote? Perhaps a fork of Monero?
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March 24, 2016, 12:13:06 PM
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In Ethereum they have ConseSys group which consists of startups using smart contracts to build useful Dapps (decentralized applications). It is much more easier way to show the potential of the system to ordinary users or programmers. Are there any plans to create such start-ups which will use tau?

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March 24, 2016, 12:15:22 PM
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Ohad, when it comes time to create the Agoras token, would/could you consider CryptoNote? Perhaps a fork of Monero?

first we have to know the mining scheme on tau that will be determined by the first users. this will reflect agoras' mining scheme

why not distribute coin in ICO?


what do you mean? the coin distribution is via bittrex or email

In Ethereum they have ConseSys group which consists of startups using smart contracts to build useful Dapps (decentralized applications). It is much more easier way to show the potential of the system to ordinary users or programmers. Are there any plans to create such start-ups which will use tau?

tau is here to revolutionize the world of software development, indeed

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Ohad, when it comes time to create the Agoras token, would/could you consider CryptoNote? Perhaps a fork of Monero?

first we have to know the mining scheme on tau that will be determined by the first users. this will reflect agoras' mining scheme

I might not be understanding correctly, but I did not mean the mining algorithm. I was meaning, could you use the CryptoNote protocol to provide transaction privacy? Bitcoin is transparent, and this is not good. Sorry if I am mistaken.
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March 24, 2016, 12:45:18 PM
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Ohad, when it comes time to create the Agoras token, would/could you consider CryptoNote? Perhaps a fork of Monero?

first we have to know the mining scheme on tau that will be determined by the first users. this will reflect agoras' mining scheme

I might not be understanding correctly, but I did not mean the mining algorithm. I was meaning, could you use the CryptoNote protocol to provide transaction privacy? Bitcoin is transparent, and this is not good. Sorry if I am mistaken.

we do not plan to explicitly write this feature ourselves (though recently we had some interest in employing homomorphic encryption to the compiler's low level) but every such method could easily be implemented by the users, while fork is not necessary

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Will it be possible to use tauchain to determine when and where something on the internet was first posted? And more advance then that, the source of all new content published to the internet could essentially be indexed / found? When you say that this will complete create the next generation of search engines, I am a little unclear on what it is about this project that allows it to do so. I like to dream big, but I dont understand the mechanics behind what is possible yet.
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Will it be possible to use tauchain to determine when and where something on the internet was first posted? And more advance then that, the source of all new content published to the internet could essentially be indexed / found? When you say that this will complete create the next generation of search engines, I am a little unclear on what it is about this project that allows it to do so. I like to dream big, but I dont understand the mechanics behind what is possible yet.

indeed, storing huge amounts of data is possible on tau's dht, while it can be timestamped securely and compactly on the blockchain. this is part of how we plan to replace google. the main bottleneck in competing with google is to have 1M computers like google has. a decentralized network may grow way beyond that.

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March 27, 2016, 08:01:35 AM
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@ohad
I have bought some Agoras Token. some questions:
1) When and how can we get real coins?
2) What is the initial price of Agoras tokens? 0.0006+BTC?
3) How many Agoras tokens were sold?

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@ohad
I have bought some Agoras Token. some questions:
1) When and how can we get real coins?
2) What is the initial price of Agoras tokens? 0.0006+BTC?
3) How many Agoras tokens were sold?

hi,

1. the real coins are (by definition) only when agoras is ready. can take ~1y. we'll make an automated process of depositing the tokens and receiving the coins.
2. the sale began with 10 cents per token (prices in USD all along)
3. about 5M

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