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March 27, 2016, 10:44:02 AM
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im removing the ask at .000465 from bittrex for a while (till Apr 1 or a few days later) in order to see how the market behaves without it

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March 27, 2016, 11:43:04 AM
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im removing the ask at .000465 from bittrex for a while (till Apr 1 or a few days later) in order to see how the market behaves without it
It is not wise to manipulate the price in this way. Why not sell all the tokens in ICO way before traded at exchanges?
What you are doing is leading us suspect you just want to get more BTC in a bad way. You should focus on the project more than price.

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March 27, 2016, 11:53:18 AM
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im removing the ask at .000465 from bittrex for a while (till Apr 1 or a few days later) in order to see how the market behaves without it
It is not wise to manipulate the price in this way. Why not sell all the tokens in ICO way before traded at exchanges?
What you are doing is leading us suspect you just want to get more BTC in a bad way. You should focus on the project more than price.

such a thing has never been done before, and is done now not for manipulation purposes but since several buyers thought it'll be better this way, i agreed to make this experiment for a short while to see where the market settles. i don't believe it'll change much

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March 27, 2016, 01:32:50 PM
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For all of you who may be invested in Ethereum , you should pay  close attention to what is said in this lecture while keep in mind that Etherume is Turing complete.

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Let us assume that we have a contract and I wish to ask – what will happen.
 Do I need to live through this contract to see what happens with it, or, can I know in advance, what will be it's outcomes.

Godel proved that if a language is rich enough to describe the arithmetics, it is complete, and can prove all the correct statements, and it can also prove all the incorrect statements, as we have just shown. If we have a language that is consistent, and can not prove statements that are incorrect, then it can not prove all statements, it is incomplete, can describe only part of the realities, not all of them.
And so, the world of mathematics, logics and philosophy where in crisis and did not know what to do in order not to be self contradictive. In the 70's till mid 80's came Martin Löf. He formalized a system for the foundations of mathematics. A logical system, that can not be called logics, because it is different. This system is consistent. I can not contradict myself with this system, and therefore, when I have a proof, I can rely on it. If I have a proof for a statement, it means that is it correct, because we can not prove incorrect statements in a consistent language.

And so, Martin Löf presented logics that is today viewed as the new basis for mathematics. It went that far as to be called the new foundation of mathematics. With this logic we can determine if a statement is true or false, including by a computer. Of course, it took time since the 80's to understand what it is all about, and until they verified Martin Löf is indeed correct. Slowly, programming languages were developed to use this trick. For example, we can mention Agda, or Idris.

In these languages we can write code, and ask what the code does, and even receive a mathematically proven answer with all the steps that led to the result. I can rely on that proof and know that it is impossible to prove an incorrect statement.
On the other hand, in Turing complete languages, which are most of the languages that are used today for programming, people do not know the concept of proof on code because it is simply not possible. In order to know if a code works, it is needed to run it. to live through it and see if it works.
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March 27, 2016, 01:38:52 PM
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im removing the ask at .000465 from bittrex for a while (till Apr 1 or a few days later) in order to see how the market behaves without it
It is not wise to manipulate the price in this way. Why not sell all the tokens in ICO way before traded at exchanges?
What you are doing is leading us suspect you just want to get more BTC in a bad way. You should focus on the project more than price.

such a thing has never been done before, and is done now not for manipulation purposes but since several buyers thought it'll be better this way, i agreed to make this experiment for a short while to see where the market settles. i don't believe it'll change much

hmm... it seams it will be a long time (sereral years) and risky investment for us.  Undecided

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March 28, 2016, 12:43:12 AM
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it seams it will be a long time (sereral years) and risky investment for us.
This is why you might get paid big bucks at the end.

Big asymmetric payoffs were what gave people the incentive to finance the ventures of the Henry Fords, the Thomas Alva Edisons, the Christian Barnards, who produced the miracles that have benefited us all.
Of course, there were lots of losers along the way. We don't remember their names, but they went in with their eyes open, they knew what they were doing, and win or lose, we as society benefited from their willingness to take a chance.

I wouldn't worry to much about exchange price at the moment. The market isn't even close to rationalizing this thing, let alone pricing it. This is nothing more than a idea and some code on github (both of which few people are able to understand).
Also should Tau become a success it doesn't automatically mean that Agoras will.

Something different:
In one video Ohad spoke about the "rules of rule making" for the Tau chain. I think initially these rules could be kept relatively simple to ensure flexibility and fast progress and only later should interest and importance of Tau increase, more sophisticated rules of mixed government type should be introduced. (I favor a mix of oligarchic, democratic and aristocratic elements).
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March 28, 2016, 04:29:54 AM
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offtopic but:
how hard would it be to get a running tally of agoras sold vs btc raised and maybe an average buy-in price.
coinmarketcap shows 42 million (=147billion/3500)but that cant be the number of coins out in the wild. i think its skewing the marketcap is like 5 million. but the btc address from the presale shows like 200BTC this likely + whatever sold on bittrex would give an accurate marketcap

$MAID & $BTC other than that some short hodls and some long held garbage.
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March 28, 2016, 05:11:03 AM
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Hi Ohad,

What is the current Price please of Agora coin when we buy it from you: Is it 17 cents or 10 Cents (US) ?
Thanks








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March 28, 2016, 05:15:41 AM
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when is this being created?

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March 28, 2016, 02:43:19 PM
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Hi Ohad,

What is the current Price please of Agora coin when we buy it from you: Is it 17 cents or 10 Cents (US) ?
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Current price is 17c
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March 28, 2016, 03:06:31 PM
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when is this being created?
Its being created right now, no one other than Ohad is really sure when the first part of it (the tau chain) will be released.
http://www.idni.org/blog/projectroadmap
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March 28, 2016, 04:59:12 PM
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Hi Ohad,

What is the current Price please of Agora coin when we buy it from you: Is it 17 cents or 10 Cents (US) ?
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Current price is 17c

Update price is 13c

It seems that the price is falling, I think that only when we can see something of the project in particular is that the price will increase.
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March 29, 2016, 05:18:33 PM
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Something different:
In one video Ohad spoke about the "rules of rule making" for the Tau chain. I think initially these rules could be kept relatively simple to ensure flexibility and fast progress and only later should interest and importance of Tau increase, more sophisticated rules of mixed government type should be introduced. (I favor a mix of oligarchic, democratic and aristocratic elements).

this is a possibility, and is left to the first users to decide. hope to see you there! Wink

offtopic but:
how hard would it be to get a running tally of agoras sold vs btc raised and maybe an average buy-in price.
coinmarketcap shows 42 million (=147billion/3500)but that cant be the number of coins out in the wild. i think its skewing the marketcap is like 5 million. but the btc address from the presale shows like 200BTC this likely + whatever sold on bittrex would give an accurate marketcap

will be done with the new website

when is this being created?
Its being created right now, no one other than Ohad is really sure when the first part of it (the tau chain) will be released.
http://www.idni.org/blog/projectroadmap

well i wish i knew Smiley i can only estimate very (too) roughly

Hi Ohad,

What is the current Price please of Agora coin when we buy it from you: Is it 17 cents or 10 Cents (US) ?
Thanks

Current price is 17c

Update price is 13c

It seems that the price is falling, I think that only when we can see something of the project in particular is that the price will increase.

the price we sell at now is 17 cents. the deals on the exchange were done by previous buyers, obviously, in prices lower than the official price. indeed when people ask me how to buy i refer them to bittrex if they want to buy in low amounts, as they'll get a better price there.

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March 29, 2016, 11:14:44 PM
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Hi Ohad,

I've been following this project for a while now and plan on buying some. I heard the price will increase soon. Can you specify when?

Also you say that having the coins available on bitterex is an experiment, but the price is lower than what you are selling them for. I don't think this experiment is working well for you as 1. It appears you are charging more than the market rate and 2. People who buy in large quantities should be the ones getting a better price.

I think it's in your and the projects interest to cease the bitrerex experiment as it confuses potential buyers and puts into question the pricing strategy.

Just suggestions from a potential investor.

Best of luck with the project.

I'll be investing.

Cheers Smiley



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March 30, 2016, 04:12:22 AM
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Look at the liquidity on bittrex, and judge how relevant the 'price' of this market is atm.
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March 30, 2016, 06:19:34 AM
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Hi Ohad,

I've been following this project for a while now and plan on buying some. I heard the price will increase soon. Can you specify when?

Also you say that having the coins available on bitterex is an experiment, but the price is lower than what you are selling them for. I don't think this experiment is working well for you as 1. It appears you are charging more than the market rate and 2. People who buy in large quantities should be the ones getting a better price.

I think it's in your and the projects interest to cease the bitrerex experiment as it confuses potential buyers and puts into question the pricing strategy.

Just suggestions from a potential investor.

Best of luck with the project.

I'll be investing.

Cheers Smiley



please have a look at the last blogpost www.idni.org/blog/projectroadmap
it refers to some of your points

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March 30, 2016, 01:48:13 PM
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most chances that the token will enter into Poloniex today, as we began speaking about it today and agreed very quickly. i'll keep posting here with progress. the number of tokens to be transferred there is 21M, while they'll destroy all unsold tokens.

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March 30, 2016, 02:45:08 PM
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most chances that the token will enter into Poloniex today, as we began speaking about it today and agreed very quickly. i'll keep posting here with progress. the number of tokens to be transferred there is 21M, while they'll destroy all unsold tokens.

What is gonna be the price that they sell the tokens, is the 17 cents or some other way /price?

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most chances that the token will enter into Poloniex today, as we began speaking about it today and agreed very quickly. i'll keep posting here with progress. the number of tokens to be transferred there is 21M, while they'll destroy all unsold tokens.

What is gonna be the price that they sell the tokens, is the 17 cents or some other way /price?

Thanks.

yes, and 20 cent in Apr 1, with +5% monthly, as planned.

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March 30, 2016, 02:54:20 PM
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most chances that the token will enter into Poloniex today, as we began speaking about it today and agreed very quickly. i'll keep posting here with progress. the number of tokens to be transferred there is 21M, while they'll destroy all unsold tokens.

What is gonna be the price that they sell the tokens, is the 17 cents or some other way /price?

Thanks.

yes, and 20 cent in Apr 1, with +5% monthly, as planned.

I own a small amount of AGRS, I think this project is very interesting and i follow this topic since the beginning, but for now, its only one idea. I have no doubt if you can build TAU to do what you say it's going to change a lot of things.

I wish you the best.
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