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September 05, 2016, 06:33:19 AM
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https://steemit.com/tauchain/@dana-edwards/how-to-prevent-tauchain-from-becoming-skynet

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September 06, 2016, 10:02:31 PM
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If Tau Chain crawls the internet, how will their results differ from Googles? If a person that nobody has ever heard off has a diary, can I for example, "What did persons name do on January 28, 1985?," and get the entry? Would it set rules based on what it crawled?
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September 06, 2016, 10:04:02 PM
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If Tau Chain crawls the internet, how will their results differ from Googles? If a person that nobody has ever heard off has a diary, can I for example, "What did persons name do on January 28, 1985?," and get the entry? Would it set rules based on what it crawled?

tau will not magically structure unstructured data (unless one day someone will come up with natural language comprehension algorithm). but consider the following "simple" fact: what if everyone had access to google's raw database?

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September 06, 2016, 10:13:50 PM
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If Tau Chain crawls the internet, how will their results differ from Googles? If a person that nobody has ever heard off has a diary, can I for example, "What did persons name do on January 28, 1985?," and get the entry? Would it set rules based on what it crawled?

tau will not magically structure unstructured data (unless one day someone will come up with natural language comprehension algorithm). but consider the following "simple" fact: what if everyone had access to google's raw database?

But what do you mean by Google's raw database? Don't we have access to it when Googling? Do you mean without the filters, rankings, etc? It's over my head perhaps. Wouldn't Tau Chain do the same, search for keywords? So what exactly can Tau Chain do in a special manner with Google's raw database?

Edit: It's difficult concept to understand for a regular person, but that's what makes it interesting.
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September 06, 2016, 10:25:20 PM
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If Tau Chain crawls the internet, how will their results differ from Googles? If a person that nobody has ever heard off has a diary, can I for example, "What did persons name do on January 28, 1985?," and get the entry? Would it set rules based on what it crawled?

tau will not magically structure unstructured data (unless one day someone will come up with natural language comprehension algorithm). but consider the following "simple" fact: what if everyone had access to google's raw database?

But what do you mean by Google's raw database? Don't we have access to it when Googling? Do you mean without the filters, rankings, etc? It's over my head perhaps. Wouldn't Tau Chain do the same, search for keywords? So what exactly can Tau Chain do in a special manner with Google's raw database?

Edit: It's difficult concept to understand for a regular person, but that's what makes it interesting.

the access we get to google's database is very limited. if you had it available you could for example search by regular expression, or write any program that uses the database in any way you like. google only gives you a small edit box to enter few words with very limited options.
but this is not what tau is really about, is only one use case. on tau everyone can share and use structured data, which may represent programs as well, or already-structured knowledge written in e.g. rdf triples (cf dbpedia for example). the main difference is in the former example: tau is not only about having knowledge (and reasoning about it in a decidable framework), but is also about running the knowledge, namely executing computer programs in which we can also decidably reason over and make sure they are safe and meet given specification. this all, in a decentralized, trustless, yet secure p2p network.

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September 06, 2016, 10:36:25 PM
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But what do you mean by Google's raw database? Don't we have access to it when Googling? Do you mean without the filters, rankings, etc? It's over my head perhaps. Wouldn't Tau Chain do the same, search for keywords? So what exactly can Tau Chain do in a special manner with Google's raw database?

Edit: It's difficult concept to understand for a regular person, but that's what makes it interesting.

Basically, Google presents the search results in a way that it benefits them the most, while also displaying a lot of related ads. All this at the expense of other online businesses. Additionally, the results get censored, they track your search queries etc. But what if some bright developers could take the crawled data and implement internet search in a more fair way. Personally, i find it very intriguing and was/am waiting until the blockhain and decentralization technology will overthrow Google. It seems unrealistic today, but you never know what innovation will bring.  Cheesy
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September 07, 2016, 01:43:36 AM
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All too interesting. I just hope it's available soon, since then I will truly be able to understand it.

Just too many questions.

So users will be continuously feeding Tau Chains facts. Like "Cat is mammal," "Cat is pet," "President runs country," "President runs company." And Tau chain is going to connect it all together?
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September 07, 2016, 02:46:05 AM
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Hm is the new video offline? Wanted to share it but could not find it anymore.

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September 07, 2016, 03:16:38 AM
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All too interesting. I just hope it's available soon, since then I will truly be able to understand it.

Just too many questions.

So users will be continuously feeding Tau Chains facts. Like "Cat is mammal," "Cat is pet," "President runs country," "President runs company." And Tau chain is going to connect it all together?

yes as in the vision of the Semantic Web


Hm is the new video offline? Wanted to share it but could not find it anymore.

same link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKhzo_60f6Y (another one is now being edited)

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September 08, 2016, 05:45:43 AM
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When will the new video that's being edited be available?
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September 08, 2016, 11:56:21 AM
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I'm interested. Thank's for the video.





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September 10, 2016, 02:48:35 PM
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When will the new video that's being edited be available?

i asked today and the answer i got is two weeks from now

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September 10, 2016, 03:03:51 PM
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Just want to bump this project before I log off.
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September 10, 2016, 06:29:13 PM
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new blogpost http://www.idni.org/blog/tau-and-the-crisis-of-truth

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September 10, 2016, 08:31:47 PM
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Any chance getting Agoras trading on decentralized exchange Bitsquare?
https://bitsquare.io/faq/#add_altcoin

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September 10, 2016, 09:21:57 PM
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How long will it take to implement that change?
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September 10, 2016, 09:52:44 PM
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How long will it take to implement that change?

i dont know, we're going where no one has gone before, but i'll push the hardest i can till it's ready

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September 12, 2016, 10:39:47 PM
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Great updated Ohad, fantastic stuff  Cool

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September 13, 2016, 03:20:43 PM
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great work ohad !!... this is a most underrated cryptoproject...
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September 15, 2016, 09:47:30 AM
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Okay that is reasonable. Are you familiar with the IOTA project and how they have created a blockless distributed ledger? It seems like if we do have to have blocks, and they have to be specific to doing Tau work, then the system design could be better. I have no practical experience in this, so my thoughts could easily be worthless on the subject.

distributed ledger is easy, the big question is how much it costs to break it. and as far as i know, nothing known to compete with traditional proof of work

Please i think this needs to be reviewed either to study firstly - Tendermint

Video here-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9krAQzN6tbc

Or look at HEAT Ledger and their blockchain protocol.

old POW is NOT the way to go.

Or indeed to get the security of BTC network by having both a POS then BTC POW to really go secure check out KOMODO

HEAT - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1543991.0

KOMODO - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1605144.700

Please do not use a standard POW as it will be slow and not scale.

becasue the TAU functional language is still in review do not commit to an old slow blockchain protocol.

At least review Tendermint or even newer POS systems.

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