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June 19, 2016, 06:18:42 PM
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This is as interesting as confusing to me. Im still trying to learn what's the point.

I may be interested to invest, but as an investor, I see a fundamental risk and that is the fact that this doesn't even have a proper way to store the tokens locally, so you would need to hope that bitfinex doesn't run away with your tokens during an unknown amount of time (no one knows when a local wallet will be released to download). This may damage the project eventually. Another interesting project (Maidsafe) had problems to deliver a software that would allow you to have the definitive tokens (Safecoins) in your hard drive instead of in Poloniex or whatever, they have been delaying this since forever, so far as I know they are still with the non-definitive tokens (MaidsafeCoins) which means you have to have those tokens in Poloniex or whatever exchange you are using. This is suicidal for any long term investment. This is why I ask, how long until we can carry the private keys ourselves to not depend on an exchange?

I also want to know why would this Agoras token have any relevant increase in value in the future. You also mentioned that Tauchain "may or not may have its own token". Would this other token be separate token from Agoras token? Im just unsure about the whole thing.
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June 19, 2016, 08:52:08 PM
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Ohad, could you please post the an update of the presale?
it would be awesome to know exactly how many AGRS are in circulation...

Ex:
Claimer 1   -   2/15/2016     30.000AGRS
Claimer 2   -   5/15/2016     400.000AGRS

I see an adress in Bitttrex with 447k AGRS  Shocked
that's 447k*40ksat = 178 BTC   Shocked   Shocked


btw, what do you think about getting into Keiser Report to explain Tau?
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June 19, 2016, 10:07:44 PM
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Ohad, could you please post the an update of the presale?
it would be awesome to know exactly how many AGRS are in circulation...

Ex:
Claimer 1   -   2/15/2016     30.000AGRS
Claimer 2   -   5/15/2016     400.000AGRS

I see an adress in Bitttrex with 447k AGRS  Shocked
that's 447k*40ksat = 178 BTC   Shocked   Shocked


btw, what do you think about getting into Keiser Report to explain Tau?

I would like to see Ohad talking about Tauchain in the Keiser Report, Max Keiser always tries to make the right questions to make complex things understandable for the laymen and he's always a fun guy.

In any case, im surprised no one else is asking what im asking... how can we trust exchanges to hold our tokens? When can we have software to hold tokens ourselves?

Imagine that guy with 178 BTC invested for example. Bitfinex decides to pull a Mtgox/Mintpal/Cryptsy (so many examples of exchanges failing...) and he would be fucked big time since we all know once an exchange runs you are not seeing the money again. Thats why we need software to hold coins ourselves quick.
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June 19, 2016, 10:47:36 PM
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Ohad, could you please post the an update of the presale?
it would be awesome to know exactly how many AGRS are in circulation...

Ex:
Claimer 1   -   2/15/2016     30.000AGRS
Claimer 2   -   5/15/2016     400.000AGRS

I see an adress in Bitttrex with 447k AGRS  Shocked
that's 447k*40ksat = 178 BTC   Shocked   Shocked


btw, what do you think about getting into Keiser Report to explain Tau?

I would like to see Ohad talking about Tauchain in the Keiser Report, Max Keiser always tries to make the right questions to make complex things understandable for the laymen and he's always a fun guy.

In any case, im surprised no one else is asking what im asking... how can we trust exchanges to hold our tokens? When can we have software to hold tokens ourselves?

Imagine that guy with 178 BTC invested for example. Bitfinex decides to pull a Mtgox/Mintpal/Cryptsy (so many examples of exchanges failing...) and he would be fucked big time since we all know once an exchange runs you are not seeing the money again. Thats why we need software to hold coins ourselves quick.

I do agree with you, we can not trust exchanges. The problem is, until the code is finished and pre-sale finished, there is no wallet.

Two ideas for that problem

1) Devs holding investors coins
Dev set up an address and people send there their coins. Dev relates each deposit to a name/btc address of choice

2) Devs hold a list of AGRS addresses related to a name/btc address of choice
Dev set up a list of all AGRS addresses and each owner proofs their ownership
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June 20, 2016, 01:25:33 AM
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There is already a wallet for Agoras tokens in Omnichest: http://omnichest.info/lookupsp.aspx?sp=58
They offer a web-wallet and also a standard desktop wallet that can be used for the tokens: http://omnichest.info/wallets.aspx

When buying from Ohad directly he also gives the option to leave the tokens with him to wait until the actual Agoras coins are released. If I remember correctly he even gives additional discount if one takes this option.

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I see an adress in Bitttrex with 447k AGRS
It's likely that this is the Agoras pre-sale wallet on Bittrex.

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it would be awesome to know exactly how many AGRS are in circulation...
As far as I know more than 5 million Agoras have already been sold and 1.26 Million of the 42 Million are earmarked for for project development and devs.
However, I don't know how many coins are free trading vs. reserved until Agoras launch.
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June 20, 2016, 08:40:21 AM
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There is already a wallet for Agoras tokens in Omnichest: http://omnichest.info/lookupsp.aspx?sp=58
They offer a web-wallet and also a standard desktop wallet that can be used for the tokens: http://omnichest.info/wallets.aspx

Can somebody explain us, how to send Agora Tokens from Bittrex to my Omni web Wallet?
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June 20, 2016, 09:15:14 AM
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There is already a wallet for Agoras tokens in Omnichest: http://omnichest.info/lookupsp.aspx?sp=58
They offer a web-wallet and also a standard desktop wallet that can be used for the tokens: http://omnichest.info/wallets.aspx

Can somebody explain us, how to send Agora Tokens from Bittrex to my Omni web Wallet?

Make a Bitcoin address on Omni, then withdraw the Agoras to a omni web wallet bitcoin address. Omni is a layer on top of Bitcoin used for storing assets of Omni you can send them to BTC addresses.

Go to my addreses > Create new address > Withdraw from bittrex to that address.

You will see your tokens in the omni wallet.

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June 20, 2016, 12:47:18 PM
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There is already a wallet for Agoras tokens in Omnichest: http://omnichest.info/lookupsp.aspx?sp=58
They offer a web-wallet and also a standard desktop wallet that can be used for the tokens: http://omnichest.info/wallets.aspx

Can somebody explain us, how to send Agora Tokens from Bittrex to my Omni web Wallet?

why you believe Omni web wallet is more secure than Bittrex?
Anyway they both use Omni Core (Desktop) to have a cold wallet right?
why not use Omni Core directly?
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June 20, 2016, 12:49:14 PM
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As far as I know more than 5 million Agoras have already been sold

more like 7M
can see the issuer's address that still holds ~35M tokens

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June 20, 2016, 12:50:10 PM
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why not use Omni Core directly?

indeed seem to be the safest out of the three options you mentioned, but will require a lot of disk space as a regular bitcoin node

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June 20, 2016, 07:05:28 PM
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why not use Omni Core directly?

Ok, but I do not have idea, how to use Omni Core.
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June 20, 2016, 07:24:22 PM
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why not use Omni Core directly?

Ok, but I do not have idea, how to use Omni Core.

begin with download install and run, and we'll keep going from there

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June 20, 2016, 09:39:09 PM
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the main differences I see between Tau and Ether are marketing and liquidity


Marketing
All the cryptocommunity know about Ether but only a few about TAU


Liquidity
Ethereum is on Polo, Kraken, Bitfinex, btc-e, GDAX, Yunbi, Bittrex, BitMex, Gemini, Yobit, Cex.io + 10 or more
AGRS is on Bittrex




My ideas:

Marketing
More interviews explaining how TAU is security (Turing completeness) and expressability (The new Tau language)     (correct if this is not true)
If you believe in Turing complete: Ethereum
If you believe in Turing completeness: Tau
If you're not sure: Diversify in both


Liquidity
Explain more exchanges the project and why they should add TAU

Hello,

I am Ronny Boesing from CCEDK and Openledger.


Just felt I wanted to share with you some information about how the tokens will soon be available on OpenLedger as well together with all OMNI assets actually, so now you have suddenly a way of getting the tokens into fiat as well as trading them on any other markets you wish for.

Just tweeted tonight, feel free to retweet and to go follow my twitter handle for news coming up.



CCEDK ApS ‏@CCEDK_  45m45 minutes ago North Jutland, Denmark
@TAUCHAIN #fiat #USD and #EUR #gateway, pairs with #EURT, #ETH, #DGD, #DASH, #BTC a.m. SOON on #OpenLedger #DC #startup #global #awareness




Who am I besides presenting you to these new trading options, well we are in connection with the revamp of CCEDK.com introducing a new conglomerate with OpenLedger as the host built on top of the BitShares platform.

The below is just a short intro to what we will soon be presenting on our site CCEDK.com, just felt for sharing with you on this first contact.


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"The Decentralized Conglomerate represents the new paradigm of organizational operations, by applying the theoretical construct of digital leadership to the conceptual design of the DC ecosystem."
The DC comprises of a series of linked services and assets"


Bitcoin, The Blockchain And The Future Of 'Decentralized' Conglomerates
http://www.forbes.com/sites/rogeraitken/2016/03/10/bitcoin-3-0-tech-bitshares-built-on-decentralized-conglomerate-platform-surges/#79f1e17439f8

Decentralized Conglomerate
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/decentralized-conglomerate-ronny-boesing?trk=mp-author-card

Why Decentralized Conglomerates Will Scale Better than Bitcoin – Interview with OpenLedger CEO
https://news.bitcoin.com/conglomerates-interview-openledger-ceo/


OpenLedger – The platform also called the DEX (decentralized exchange)

CCEDK – The brain introducing Campaigns or Services to bootstrap start-up's.

The Ecosystems

OBITS.io – the official token of the DC - Blockchain powered, people driven
BTSR.io – the digital token of BitTeaser  - The Blockchain Powered Smart Network  - Ad Tech 2.0
ICOO.io – the digital token of an Economic Enterprise Engine: Crowdfunding 3.0. Be the First to Trade Your ICO



Looking forwar to see you soon on OpenLedger and perhaps even look into som or all of our ecosystems

More information coming your way in coming days. This is just a welcoming message I felt I could connect with a question already put here.

Yours sincerely

Ronny Boesing
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Linkedin: https://dk.linkedin.com/in/ronny-boesing-65b61720




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June 20, 2016, 09:40:50 PM
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thanks Ronny! nice to meet you Smiley

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June 21, 2016, 03:44:31 AM
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https://blog.blockstack.org/solar-storm-a-serious-security-exploit-with-ethereum-not-just-the-dao-a03d797d98fa#.96k3gh84y

Wow, another exploit, not just in the DAO, but all of Ethereum.

I wonder what this means for Ethereum.

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June 21, 2016, 05:25:59 AM
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Tauchain seems to be as unsafe as Ethereum. Eth means unlimited sscripting. Tau is even more open. Anybody can do anything with it. I don't understand how this could be more safe. Even if the language is decidable, how can this prevent exploits like "the dao hack"? Anything can be buggy. Only humans (not machines) can distinguish what is a bug and what is a functionality. So I think the problem could be the same in tau - if not worse.
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June 21, 2016, 05:28:23 AM
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Tauchain seems to be as unsafe as Ethereum. Eth means unlimited sscripting. Tau is even more open. Anybody can do anything with it. I don't understand how this could be more safe. Even if the language is decidable, how can this prevent exploits like "the dao hack"? Anything can be buggy. Only humans (not machines) can distinguish what is a bug and what is a functionality. So I think the problem could be the same in tau - if not worse.
I thought tau-chain meant that code was determinable, as in, it would only do what you wanted and there would be no bugs.
That seems to be what this video is saying: https://youtu.be/1SXfYgQxsOA

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June 21, 2016, 12:34:30 PM
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Is there a real chance that Tau-Chain can overtake ethereum in the future?
I heard Microsoft is using ethereum. Why would it be better for them to use Tau-chain?

This has probably been answered before, sorry.

If Turing completeness is faulty and cannot be used appropriatley there will be no other option than to exit the position of using Turing complete technology.

For example you can see some examples of software that are accidentally turing complete my favourite example is Pokemon Yellow:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_completeness#Video_games

You can see how it is exploited here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UnB1fomvAw



This is great. Worth noting at 1:17 the user gets an offer to throw away all the ETHER. And does so.
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June 21, 2016, 01:32:43 PM
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Hi @ohad I get error when launching omni wallet core and wont start

https://imgur.com/8dnxT5t

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June 21, 2016, 03:53:11 PM
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Hi @ohad I get error when launching omni wallet core and wont start

https://imgur.com/8dnxT5t

omg Smiley this too is why we build tau!!
unfortunately all i can do is refer you to omni's dev
fortunately they're very nice and helpful people!

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