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March 15, 2016, 12:41:32 AM
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What will be final amount of Agoras tokens 42 or 147 million?
On the link the amount is 147 billions

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March 15, 2016, 12:44:13 AM
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What will be final amount of Agoras tokens 42 or 147 million?
On the link the amount is 147 billions

42M is the amount of the intermediate tokens that represent 100% of future coins. 147B is the planned amount of future coins.

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March 15, 2016, 02:38:17 AM
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What will be final amount of Agoras tokens 42 or 147 million?
On the link the amount is 147 billions

42M is the amount of the intermediate tokens that represent 100% of future coins. 147B is the planned amount of future coins.

So 1 of the Tokens will be worth 3500 coins correct?

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March 15, 2016, 02:38:56 AM
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What will be final amount of Agoras tokens 42 or 147 million?
On the link the amount is 147 billions

42M is the amount of the intermediate tokens that represent 100% of future coins. 147B is the planned amount of future coins.

So 1 of the Tokens will be worth 3500 coins correct?

right

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March 15, 2016, 05:19:14 AM
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@ the recent wave of posters bickering about the fund raiser:
Not every human endeavor is driven by greed.
Although it's in short supply nowadays, what you are seeing here is the footprint of purpose.
Do yourself a favor and go read carefully the Zennet thread and this thread, and in particular the dialogue between HMC and Ohad.
Once you really understand what is at stake, your only concern will be that Ohad doesn't get hit by a bus before he delivers Tau.
Everything else will come in time.
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happy to hear from you klosure

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March 15, 2016, 08:53:39 AM
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This picture increases FUD for me:



Sorry for complaining Cry .

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This picture increases FUD for me:
The graph on your screenshot is commit activity on master (see caption).
At the moment, most of the work is being commited to another branch.
Look at the commit history on branch univar4 and you'll see plenty of activity.
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@ the recent wave of posters bickering about the fund raiser:
Not every human endeavor is driven by greed.
Although it's in short supply nowadays, what you are seeing here is the footprint of purpose.
Do yourself a favor and go read carefully the Zennet thread and this thread, and in particular the dialogue between HMC and Ohad.
Once you really understand what is at stake, your only concern will be that Ohad doesn't get hit by a bus before he delivers Tau.
Everything else will come in time.


My post was that sentiment only a bit more tactfully stated. Tongue

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Who else is working on this other than Ohad and HMC? This project really seems like it needs more developers. If you look at the comments throughout the thread dating back 1+ year the big work is 'only few months away from being done'.

How do you plan to beat out these projects? They arent all trying to achieve the same thing as Tau but why invest in Tau over them?
https://github.com/odipar/spread/
https://github.com/unisonweb/unison
http://ceptr.org/

Id like to put a lot of money into this as I believe in the idea but there really needs to be a team on this. I almost feel guilty writing asking for response because this is valuable time that should be used to develop.
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Who else is working on this other than Ohad and HMC? This project really seems like it needs more developers. If you look at the comments throughout the thread dating back 1+ year the big work is 'only few months away from being done'.

How do you plan to beat out these projects? They arent all trying to achieve the same thing as Tau but why invest in Tau over them?
https://github.com/odipar/spread/
https://github.com/unisonweb/unison
http://ceptr.org/

Id like to put a lot of money into this as I believe in the idea but there really needs to be a team on this. I almost feel guilty writing asking for response because this is valuable time that should be used to develop.

Totally agreed.
BTW, where I can find info about amount of coins which is already sold?

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Who else is working on this other than Ohad and HMC? This project really seems like it needs more developers. If you look at the comments throughout the thread dating back 1+ year the big work is 'only few months away from being done'.

How do you plan to beat out these projects? They arent all trying to achieve the same thing as Tau but why invest in Tau over them?
https://github.com/odipar/spread/
https://github.com/unisonweb/unison
http://ceptr.org/

Id like to put a lot of money into this as I believe in the idea but there really needs to be a team on this. I almost feel guilty writing asking for response because this is valuable time that should be used to develop.
With 7 mill market cap it should be possible to get more devs.

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there are more developers, but the project will need much more developers after tau is ready. moreover, i have to write the code myself in order to fully understand it and support it over time.
maco144: the projects you mentioned doesn't seem to need someone external to beat them Wink
and yes, i thought i'd finish the compiler sooner, and it didn't happen. still, the compiler isn't really a large or too complex project. every cs student writes a compiler to a more complicated language. the difficulty on tau is that it must be perfect for genesis (can't fix bugs later as proof of execution depends on the execution path).
for the total amount sold, see "presale snapshot" in the blog. we'll have a more accurate count on the new website.
and the project doesn't have $8M or even $100K.

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there are more developers, but the project will need much more developers after tau is ready. moreover, i have to write the code myself in order to fully understand it and support it over time.
maco144: the projects you mentioned doesn't seem to need someone external to beat them Wink
and yes, i thought i'll finish the compiler sooner, and it didn't happen. still, the compiler isn't really a large or too complex project. every cs student writes a compiler to a more complicated language. the difficulty on tau is that it must be perfect for genesis (can't fix bugs later as proof of execution depends on the execution path).
for the total amount sold, see "presale snapshot" in the blog. we'll have a more accurate count on the new website.
and the project doesn't have $8M or even $100K.

Thanks for responding. I understand that once Tau is completed that is the real accomplishment (and that it can be done by yourself/small team). My concern extends to two things. The first is to how critical you state the setting up of rules by the foundation users once genesis block is available, without a PR team bringing in a lot of intellectual talent, is it possible that genesis rules can be corrupted by selfish parties? I think cultivating a lot of deep thought on what you expect good genesis rules to be and fostering that discussion needs to be on the road map soon. Also, I see the time gap between Tau launch and Agoras implementation is where the team is really necessary. You have said this time period may be as long as year which seems like a huge hindrance to both development and to the investors interests. Do you have more specific ideas with what you'd do with the 2%/1% that the foundation will keep?
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there are more developers, but the project will need much more developers after tau is ready. moreover, i have to write the code myself in order to fully understand it and support it over time.
maco144: the projects you mentioned doesn't seem to need someone external to beat them Wink
and yes, i thought i'll finish the compiler sooner, and it didn't happen. still, the compiler isn't really a large or too complex project. every cs student writes a compiler to a more complicated language. the difficulty on tau is that it must be perfect for genesis (can't fix bugs later as proof of execution depends on the execution path).
for the total amount sold, see "presale snapshot" in the blog. we'll have a more accurate count on the new website.
and the project doesn't have $8M or even $100K.

Thanks for responding. I understand that once Tau is completed that is the real accomplishment (and that it can be done by yourself/small team). My concern extends to two things. The first is to how critical you state the setting up of rules by the foundation users once genesis block is available, without a PR team bringing in a lot of intellectual talent, is it possible that genesis rules can be corrupted by selfish parties? I think cultivating a lot of deep thought on what you expect good genesis rules to be and fostering that discussion needs to be on the road map soon. Also, I see the time gap between Tau launch and Agoras implementation is where the team is really necessary. You have said this time period may be as long as year which seems like a huge hindrance to both development and to the investors interests. Do you have more specific ideas with what you'd do with the 2%/1% that the foundation will keep?

there is a PR team working hard right now on new materials.
and indeed the initial tau rules may fail and we may need to restart the network. this can happen. though no loss in such case, since tau doesn't have any coin.
about publishing thoughts for what to be done after genesis - we have a principle not to do it now, as we don't want to affect or bias in any way what will happen post-genesis.
regarding specific long term dev plans, i guess replacing google, amazon, traditional dev hiring, the QA methodology, and some more published ideas are specific, long, and significant enough. besides anyone who knows me knows that we have more no-less-big plans for agoras that weren't published yet.
about the time between tau and agoras, the truth is that tau offers such a big change in how to develop software, that we don't know how things will look afterwards, but we do know that dev will get much easier over tau comparing to the traditional way.

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March 18, 2016, 07:39:43 PM
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Agoras marketplace is close to Elastic project, isn't it?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1396233.0

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March 18, 2016, 07:59:51 PM
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Agoras marketplace is close to Elastic project, isn't it?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1396233.0

elastic is unsuccessfully trying to fulfill zennet's vision, in which we understood a year ago that ends up as a small feature in agoras

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March 19, 2016, 05:34:12 AM
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Agoras marketplace is close to Elastic project, isn't it?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1396233.0

elastic is unsuccessfully trying to fulfill zennet's vision, in which we understood a year ago that ends up as a small feature in agoras
What about this one,seems like elastic and zennet.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1401477.0
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March 19, 2016, 05:36:55 AM
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Agoras marketplace is close to Elastic project, isn't it?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1396233.0

elastic is unsuccessfully trying to fulfill zennet's vision, in which we understood a year ago that ends up as a small feature in agoras
What about this one,seems like elastic and zennet.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1401477.0

looks even worse than elastic

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March 19, 2016, 05:48:33 AM
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Agoras marketplace is close to Elastic project, isn't it?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1396233.0

elastic is unsuccessfully trying to fulfill zennet's vision, in which we understood a year ago that ends up as a small feature in agoras
What about this one,seems like elastic and zennet.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1401477.0

looks even worse than elastic
Another,why do you think they are just unsuccessfully trying?
They tried to realize it with a NXT style POS.
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