Tau-Chain and Agoras Official Thread: Generalized P2P Network

[ohad]

[ohad]

[ohad]

[ohad]

So is it possible to roll everything back before you sent the 21m?

no rollback is possible. we just create new tokens and give them automatically to all current holders

[ohad]

So is it possible to roll everything back before you sent the 21m?

no rollback is possible. we just create new tokens and give them automatically to all current holders

Ok, will this now make the scammers holdings worthless? Apart from the BTC gained from the dump that is.

exactly

[mr.coinzy]

The important thing is that the thief wanted to be nice and just asked to receive something small for his kindness...
what a miserable impotent douchebag...
oh well, in any case, it's good there are solutions to all this unpleasant affair.

[klosure]

Poloneix ?
Someone else in nxtforum reported a similar phishing attempt one year ago.
https://nxtforum.org/trading-exchanges/phishing-email-coming-from-poloneix-exchange-note-it-is-misspelled

Ohad, can you confirm the scammer's email address?

[ohad]

Poloneix ?
Someone else in nxtforum reported a similar phishing attempt one year ago.
https://nxtforum.org/trading-exchanges/phishing-email-coming-from-poloneix-exchange-note-it-is-misspelled

Ohad, can you confirm the scammer's email address?

yes, same scammer, that's how i found out..

[ohad]

im not going to waste my time answering

[klosure]

Same scammer tried to scam another developer on the same day.
See conversation between the Xquadron dev and Polo moderator in the Polo trollbox log below (archives there)

54 Tournmaster 2016-03-30 00:54:57  GeezUp, how many time its gone take to add Xquadron?
M 2086 GeezUp  2016-03-30 00:55:16  Tournmaster, https://poloniex.com/coinRequest
54 Tournmaster 2016-03-30 00:55:39  GeezUp, already done im talking with tristan now
54 Tournmaster 2016-03-30 00:56:26  GeezUp, so how long it will take?
M 2086 GeezUp  2016-03-30 00:56:31  Tournmaster, are you sure?
M 2086 GeezUp  2016-03-30 00:56:41  Tournmaster, who are you talking too?
M 2086 GeezUp  2016-03-30 00:56:52  Tournmaster, did they ask you for funds?
54 Tournmaster 2016-03-30 00:57:10  GeezUp, Busoni
M 2086 GeezUp  2016-03-30 00:57:32  Tournmaster, and how are you talking to him right now?
54 Tournmaster 2016-03-30 00:57:49  GeezUp, gmail
54 Tournmaster 2016-03-30 00:58:48  GeezUp, do i send the fund?
M 2086 GeezUp  2016-03-30 00:58:58  Tournmaster, They are a scammer
M 2086 GeezUp  2016-03-30 00:59:05  Tournmaster, if they are asking you for money
M 2086 GeezUp  2016-03-30 00:59:14  Tournmaster, what is the email address for them?
54 Tournmaster 2016-03-30 00:59:20  GeezUp, really grrrr i hate this kind of peolpe
M 2086 GeezUp  2016-03-30 00:59:35  Tournmaster, did you send them any money?
54 Tournmaster 2016-03-30 00:59:46  GeezUp, not yet
54 Tournmaster 2016-03-30 00:59:58  GeezUp, poloneix@gmail.com
M 2086 GeezUp  2016-03-30 01:00:25  Tournmaster, ok please do not
M 2086 GeezUp  2016-03-30 01:00:30  that is an impostor
54 Tournmaster 2016-03-30 01:00:41  GeezUp, so xquadron is not gone be add today if i understand....
91 Blockcodes  2016-03-30 01:00:46  GeezUp, you guys didnt reserve your own gmail
91 Blockcodes  2016-03-30 01:01:10  its a made up word
M 2086 GeezUp  2016-03-30 01:01:23  Tournmaster, no
54 Tournmaster 2016-03-30 01:01:33  *bleep*t
M 2086 GeezUp  2016-03-30 01:01:42  Blockcodes, we have poloniex but not poloneix
M 2086 GeezUp  2016-03-30 01:01:47  check the spelling
54 Tournmaster 2016-03-30 01:01:47  GeezUp, can you do something
M 2086 GeezUp  2016-03-30 01:01:56  Tournmaster, there is nothing i can do
91 Blockcodes  2016-03-30 01:02:03  GeezUp, ahhh I did not catch it first time tricky phishes
54 Tournmaster 2016-03-30 01:02:13  GeezUp, what can i do?
M 2086 GeezUp  2016-03-30 01:03:49  Tournmaster, to have the coin added?
M 2086 GeezUp  2016-03-30 01:04:21  Blockcodes, yes very tricky
54 Tournmaster 2016-03-30 01:04:57  GeezUp, yes to add Xquadron to polo
M 2086 GeezUp  2016-03-30 01:05:44  Tournmaster, if you requested, we will review
54 Tournmaster 2016-03-30 01:07:11  GeezUp, i already did it but send me a link i will try again
M 2086 GeezUp  2016-03-30 01:07:19  Tournmaster, https://poloniex.com/coinRequest

[klosure]

Ohad, let's look at the SMTP headers.
Can you make a pastebin with all the raw emails he sent together with the headers?
(In gmail: click on the inverted triangle beside Reply. Select Show Original)

[ohad]

sure http://pastebin.com/RevjcQiU

[klosure]

Can you make a paste bins for all other emails as well?

[ohad]

Can you make a paste bins for all other emails as well?

you mean including the headers of each?

[klosure]

Can you make a paste bins for all other emails as well?

you mean including the headers of each?

yes

[ohad]

Can you make a paste bins for all other emails as well?

you mean including the headers of each?

yes

tauchain.org/emails.tar.gz

[elliwilli]

the coin is no good to him/her/them so it us just stupid to keep it

EDIT, the guy who said he got dumped on what happens his coins?

[klosure]

tauchain.org/emails.tar.gz

Thanks Ohad.
I've sent you a private msg.
Let me know how you want to proceed.

[yuyu123]

Wow man, this is like a mexican novel, no offense to mexicans.

Bittrex should roll back all trades with stolen coins. Ohad should recompense them for the amount withdrawn by the scammer and for their fees earned from those trades. 

There is no way to reverse the trades.  By the time we were notified, the coins were dumped and the BTC had been withdrawn

thanks,
richie@bittrex

I second that. If possible, bittrex should make a roll back and get compensated for any financial damage caused by withdrawals and such.

I too agree that this is the best and simplest way to handle this matter.

I second that.

What is the goal?  Reversing the trades is a big task and i don't it's worth it given what I think you are trying to accomplish.  If the goal is to get the 500k back, why not just arrange an off exchange purchase where ohad buys the coins back from the members that purchased them?  It seems like all the majority of the coins ended up at buyers are known on this thread already and are willing to cooperate.

thanks,
Richie

There are only few trades involved with stolen tokens. Why reversing them is a big issue?

There are still 57295.22 token which are in unknown hands.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=950309.msg14378761#msg14378761

Another solution:
Does all the 500,000 stolen AGRS tokens are still in Bittrex? Can you distinguish them from the other (legitimate) AGRS tokens in Bittrex accounts? If true, Ohad can send you replacemnt IDNI tokens only for the legitimate tokens + the amount in bitcoin paid for the stolen tokens. Users that hold stolen tokens will receive the amount they spent in bitcoin, instead of replacement IDNI tokens.   

[Counterfiat]

Hi everyone,

I would like to put forward an idea to see what everyone thinks.

We know that Ohad, HMC and co devTeam are working very hard on this groundbreaking project.
It has been announced that Tau will be ready in a few months.
Agoras coin will then take 12months to launch.

My suggestion is that all test coins be allocated to Agoras investors (less scam purchases) as a bonus altcoin.
A two-for-one deal if you like.

Let's say the low utility BetaAgoras (can be renamed) blazes a path (for the 12 month in the future) premier Algoras coin.
It would be sad for investors to see other alt-coins compete on Tau platform with rising mkt caps in this 12 month waiting period.
Ofcourse various other altCoins can be developed on Tau by random individuals, BUT through this strategy we get a head start in  building brand recognition and value that otherwise would be forfeit. Or give unnecessary ground to an Agoras competitor, however inferior and unlikely that may be. Also we gain greater cryptocoin market share overall by existing in BOTH the altcoin space, AND the premier high-utility space.

So in summary holders of Agoras could also receive a second coin BetaAgoras as a free bonus that launch from the genesis of Tau.
I believe that this initiative will help to maximise the creation of wealth from the Tau enabled cryptocurrencies, going to the primary investors associated with the Tau project - the Agoras token holders.

I also believe that for many potential investors the concerns of the 12 month delay will be allayed. Creating a positive and proactive investment platform for a successful pre-sale.

Thoughts?



Note: I am JackPeasant on freenode irc.

freenode#zennet
7:09 PM <JackPeasant>   <HMC_a> at least two coins will come first:
7:11 PM <JackPeasant> If there was a couple of test coins, a betaAgoras - low utility, and deltaAgoras high utility test
7:13 PM <JackPeasant> coins. Could these be issued to agoras token holders (but not those who benefited from scam) ?
7:23 PM <JackPeasant> Their continuation may have residual value as an alt coin in the Tau space. 
7:24 PM <JackPeasant> They would assist in the agoras  presale, countering the concern of having to wait 12months.
7:25 PM <JackPeasant> And tangibly establish the pre-eminent  status of the agoras coin as a shield against quick-start competitors.
7:30 PM <JackPeasant> This in term will create a greater mkt share in the Tau Crypto-currency alt space rewarding Agoras investors.
7:32 PM <JackPeasant> A bonus residual alt coin or two, on top of the Agoras coin.
7:46 PM <JackPeasant> This would regain a very positive footing, generating substantial goodwill, and sales momentum.