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March 31, 2016, 04:53:12 PM
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Those numbers dont scare me, thanx for elaborating. Waiting for further info regarding this unfortunate incident.      
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March 31, 2016, 04:56:55 PM
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nothing to do with bittrex. omni dev writing a script for automatic distribution of the new token

how does omni dev know, which of the bittrex coins were sold of the scammer?

all the scammer got is known, and he transferred 500K to bittrex


But the calculation is somehow wrong. You can't calculate 500K out of 42M but 500k out of the sold coins...
How much are sold actually? Lets say 10M, then we are already at 5%...

see my demo proposal again, i edited it a minute later

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March 31, 2016, 05:02:39 PM
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nothing to do with bittrex. omni dev writing a script for automatic distribution of the new token

how does omni dev know, which of the bittrex coins were sold of the scammer?
all the scammer got is known, and he transferred 500K to bittrex
yes and they are mixed up with others on bittrex. Only bittrex knows, which coins were the scammers, and which were there already before or did I miss something?



But the calculation is somehow wrong. You can't calculate 500K out of 42M but 500k out of the sold coins...
How much are sold actually? Lets say 10M, then we are already at 5%...

see my demo proposal again, i edited it a minute later

ah ok sorry. So coins are 10% cheaper then. You could decrease the selling price by 10% as well for now. But not necessarily from my side Wink
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March 31, 2016, 05:13:46 PM
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nothing to do with bittrex. omni dev writing a script for automatic distribution of the new token

how does omni dev know, which of the bittrex coins were sold of the scammer?
all the scammer got is known, and he transferred 500K to bittrex
yes and they are mixed up with others on bittrex. Only bittrex knows, which coins were the scammers, and which were there already before or did I miss something?

right, bittrex can tell if there were bid-sales then other than the scammer

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March 31, 2016, 06:01:15 PM
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Here are two screenshot of the trade history of Bittrex that show the two largest dumps for a total of 493773.96452308 tokens.
Aside from these two dumps that occured over a 1-second timeframes, there are other sell orders that could account for the missing 6k but it's more difficult to be sure which belong to the scammer.
Red frames correspond to the dump.
The 3 lines circled in blue are Elokane/Dor's orders as mentionned below.

03/30/2016 23:47:00   03/14/2016 17:25:40   Limit Buy   0.00011581    14860.70417639   14860.70417639   0.00011580   -1.72532069
03/30/2016 23:46:59   03/17/2016 20:05:02   Limit Buy   0.00020140    14858.49056604   14858.49056604   0.00020139   -2.99998125
03/30/2016 11:46:37                                                             0.00000212   406759.55205231   0.86233025 [this one is incomplete.]

First dump at 03:47:13


Second dump at 04:46:37

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March 31, 2016, 06:12:35 PM
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I run the data through a spreadsheet. Here are the results:

Elokane/Dor's purchased quantity = 436478.75 AGRS
Elokane/Dor's total spend              = 5.58 BTC
Elokane/Dor's price per AGRS     = 0.00001278
 
Others purchase quantity = 57295.22 AGRS
Others purchase spend    = 9.50 BTC
Others price per AGRS    = 0.0001658
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March 31, 2016, 06:17:00 PM
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I run the data through a spreadsheet. Here are the results:

Elokane/Dor's purchased quantity = 436478.75 AGRS
Elokane/Dor's total spend              = 5.58 BTC
Elokane/Dor's price per AGRS     = 0.00001278
 
Others purchase quantity = 57295.22 AGRS
Others purchase spend    = 9.50 BTC
Others price per AGRS    = 0.0001658

thanks!

by the way i talked with Dor again and he stressed the point that he'll do everything i tell him to do. i didn't really raise proposals here and trying to keep it neutral so far because i want the final decision to be accepted (or better, also offered) by the coin holders. i guess this is the project's best interest, as any resolution won't really change the course of anything.

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March 31, 2016, 06:46:16 PM
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Makes sense. I'm confident that we'll converge to a solution that satisfies everyone.
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March 31, 2016, 09:05:10 PM
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Bittrex should roll back all trades with stolen coins. Ohad should recompense them for the amount withdrawn by the scammer and for their fees earned from those trades. 



There is no way to reverse the trades.  By the time we were notified, the coins were dumped and the BTC had been withdrawn

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March 31, 2016, 09:13:40 PM
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Bittrex should roll back all trades with stolen coins. Ohad should recompense them for the amount withdrawn by the scammer and for their fees earned from those trades. 



There is no way to reverse the trades.  By the time we were notified, the coins were dumped and the BTC had been withdrawn

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I second that. If possible, bittrex should make a roll back and get compensated for any financial damage caused by withdrawals and such.

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March 31, 2016, 09:43:24 PM
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btw as i said above, compensation from my side is not an issue.

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March 31, 2016, 09:53:41 PM
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Bittrex should roll back all trades with stolen coins. Ohad should recompense them for the amount withdrawn by the scammer and for their fees earned from those trades. 



There is no way to reverse the trades.  By the time we were notified, the coins were dumped and the BTC had been withdrawn

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I second that. If possible, bittrex should make a roll back and get compensated for any financial damage caused by withdrawals and such.


I too agree that this is the best and simplest way to handle this matter.

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March 31, 2016, 09:56:50 PM
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Wow man, this is like a mexican novel, no offense to mexicans. Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked

Bittrex should roll back all trades with stolen coins. Ohad should recompense them for the amount withdrawn by the scammer and for their fees earned from those trades. 



There is no way to reverse the trades.  By the time we were notified, the coins were dumped and the BTC had been withdrawn

thanks,
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I second that. If possible, bittrex should make a roll back and get compensated for any financial damage caused by withdrawals and such.


I too agree that this is the best and simplest way to handle this matter.
I second that.
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March 31, 2016, 10:17:57 PM
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hello ohad, i feel sorry for what happened here, it only reveals that you are a person that trusts the others. How did the scammer played you and you didn't suspect?

Unfortunately this only brings confusion and delay for you and the project.

From my point of view all this mess increases my confidence in you. You are a good human being.

The scammers always scam good people. Angry
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March 31, 2016, 10:20:07 PM
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hello ohad, i feel sorry for what happened here, it only reveals that you are a person that trusts the others. How did the scammer played you and you didn't suspect?

Unfortunately this only brings confusion and delay for you and the project.

From my point of view all this mess increases my confidence in you. You are a good human being.

The scammers always scam good people. Angry

thanks. that was a good social engineering. the scammer impersonated Tristan from Poloniex both in front of me and in front of Judith (who has no fault or blame at all on this story), both on skype and in email.

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March 31, 2016, 10:57:55 PM
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Wow man, this is like a mexican novel, no offense to mexicans. Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked

Bittrex should roll back all trades with stolen coins. Ohad should recompense them for the amount withdrawn by the scammer and for their fees earned from those trades. 



There is no way to reverse the trades.  By the time we were notified, the coins were dumped and the BTC had been withdrawn

thanks,
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I second that. If possible, bittrex should make a roll back and get compensated for any financial damage caused by withdrawals and such.


I too agree that this is the best and simplest way to handle this matter.
I second that.


Bittrex has the technical capability to do this roll-back and as Ohad can fully compensate them, they'll lose nothing. I wrote them an e-mail to suggest this solution, with a copy to Ohad. I hope bittrex would cooperate with us to resolve this issue, but if not – I'll withdraw all my funds from my account there. 
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March 31, 2016, 11:01:32 PM
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I have info on the scmmer and i heard from a source of him. he was contacted him to give back all coins and he saids he is will return the coins if he keeps 3m token ... i tink fuck himmm     Huh Huh Huh
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March 31, 2016, 11:09:05 PM
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Bittrex should roll back all trades with stolen coins. Ohad should recompense them for the amount withdrawn by the scammer and for their fees earned from those trades. 
There is no way to reverse the trades.  By the time we were notified, the coins were dumped and the BTC had been withdrawn

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I second that. If possible, bittrex should make a roll back and get compensated for any financial damage caused by withdrawals and such.
I too agree that this is the best and simplest way to handle this matter.

So is it possible for bittrex to roll back trades, ohad compensates lost BTC, then he also rolls back the blockchain before the stolen 21m?

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April 01, 2016, 12:19:25 AM
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Wow man, this is like a mexican novel, no offense to mexicans. Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked

Bittrex should roll back all trades with stolen coins. Ohad should recompense them for the amount withdrawn by the scammer and for their fees earned from those trades. 



There is no way to reverse the trades.  By the time we were notified, the coins were dumped and the BTC had been withdrawn

thanks,
richie@bittrex






I second that. If possible, bittrex should make a roll back and get compensated for any financial damage caused by withdrawals and such.


I too agree that this is the best and simplest way to handle this matter.
I second that.

What is the goal?  Reversing the trades is a big task and i don't it's worth it given what I think you are trying to accomplish.  If the goal is to get the 500k back, why not just arrange an off exchange purchase where ohad buys the coins back from the members that purchased them?  It seems like all the majority of the coins ended up at buyers are known on this thread already and are willing to cooperate.

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