So you say you're identity was stolen?  I wonder how that could have happened.  I mean it's not like you're sharing your personal documents with random anonymous strangers on the internet or anything.  

If those that you offer are actually yours to begin with. 

Also, this is not a charity board, it's a lending board.  None of your documents can be validated by any of the lenders here, so no one will accept them in lieu of collateral.  Most lenders will require an altcoin as collateral, and will request at least 120% of the amount you want to borrow.

Since you're broke, I'm guessing you have no collateral, so you're very unlikely to get a loan here.  Try the bank that allowed the thief to rob you, like normal people who have their identities stolen.  Only a scammer would show up on an anonymous forum asking for $5000 with an unbelievably stupid story such as yours.

Bisq is great.  Through my keen powers of observation I've gathered that you're a resident of Europe.  If I'm right, Bisq enables many payment methods that work well for European traders.  I see lots of offers for Revolute, Wise, Swift, and Instant Swift.  Revolute is kinda neat because it provides an affordable method of exchanging one fiat to another (if you need that.)  There are still pitfalls for selling BTC for fiat, but because of the way Bisq works (i.e. security deposits that the sammer may lose if the trade goes to mediation) it can be much safer than Paxful, HodlHodl, Localbitcoins, or Localcryptos.  The security deposit is a key factor that makes bisq less prone to scammers' succeeding.

The other advantage to Bisq is there are no KYC requirement. 

@citb0in, for a newbie you sure do know how to deal with trolls.  Good job.

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I don't use PayPal, and most members here are reluctant to accept it from newbies.  Even F&F payments through PayPal can be reversed, so it's still very dangerous for the seller.  I suggest you use a different payment service which is less dangerous for the seller.  Good luck.

Seriously?  Shit I better get crackin' if I want to get home in time.  It's been one of those frustratingly unproductive days at work.  Hell, the whole week seems to have been like this.  Running around busy as hell, and getting next to nothing done.

Why are there two games in competing time slots today?  And they seem to be starting a bit early, no?  I don't recall these odd hours last pre-season.


Lol, and it's shorter this year, but yeah pre-season always seems to elevate the anticipation of regular season.  Funny how that works.

It's not weird, it's trust farming.  The newbie is hoping to get positive feedback for repaying this loan, which will propel him on his way for an exit scam...  Interestingly enough all his posts so far have been in lending or currency exchange.  Not unlike another recently red-tagged would-be loan scammer.

I think you're missing BitcoinGirl.Club's point;  I interpret her post as speculation that JollyGood would accuse those listed as a clique, or trolls.  I don't think anyone has accused JollyGood (or you, for that matter) of trolling.

And, as for the communication about your trust exclusion; of course JollyGood is going to respond to you.  You're one of the older established members, a merit source, and a fixture in DT.  He knows, like any power hungry politician, he needs the help of the powerful to gain more power.  Anyone else who's critical of him gets ignored.  Like me, I'm a nobody so he thinks that maybe just maybe if he ignores my criticism of his trust abuses (like he's done for the last year) that I'll just go away.

I'm not going away.  JollyGood shouldn't take it personally, I would criticize any one who abuses the trust system regardless of who they are.  

I haven't been practicing my drafting skills at all, I've just been too busy.  I expect it to be a bit harder to get high-scoring players with ten teams in the league, certainly harder than it was last year.  Even picking up players on waivers will be a bit more difficult, but that's not necessarily a bad thing.  The difficulty will apply to all of us, so it may result in all of us being a bit more competitive, even if each of is scoring fewer points on average.  It could provide that ever elusive "parity" that the NFL is always striving for.

The system is most certainly not satisfactory for the exact reason you cited.  Any newbie can be added to DT2 just because one DT1 member includes him.  That is a recipe for abuse, and it's been happening a lot.  Go trough any drama thread and look for newbies that took the side of a DT1 member, next thing you know that DT1 member is adding that newbie to his trust list, and BAM newbie on DT2.  Suchmoon's proposal in the thread linked by Poker Player would mitigate a lot of that.  It won't prevent it from happening, but it would make much less likely.

Making it more difficult to be included in DT2 is very likely to prevent DT cliques from developing, and reduces any one DT1 member's ability to manipulate the system.

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^This!

@yahoo62278 and @dkbit98, I really hope both of you will reconsider.  I understand your rationale, and often I think being in DT1 is not worth the headache.  But that headache is exactly why we need people like you; rational, thoughtful, restrained individuals to counter balance those who revel in the power.  If more people like you quit DT you'll be leaving the trust system to the abusers.

@suchmoon, we need you back too!

I really want to refrain from getting involved in this drama, but since I was called out by BitcoinGirl.Club I just want to vouch for what she said.  I have indeed, for months now attempted to have a discussion with JollyGood about his use of the trust system, but all attempts have gone ignored.  This includes one PM I sent regarding his tagging of Royse777.  His unwillingness to discuss the subject tells me that he has no defense for his abusive behavior.

I agree that once upon a time he was doing valuable work as a scam buster.  He was among quite a few members who (a couple of years ago) learned that they could build their accounts, and gain some recognition with merits or trust inclusions by exposing scammers, mostly bounty cheaters.  When they ran out of bounty cheaters to expose they started harassing anyone with alt accounts, regardless of whether they were cheating or not.  I suspect that most of these members recognized the folly of going after alts just for being alts, but not JollyGood.  He held onto the power which was given to him for longer than others.  Then he used the 1xbit excuse to spread his abuse of the trust system to any member that posted an applicaiton in their signature campaign thread.  

Many of these newbies were naïve to apply for the 1xbit campaign, but that does not make them scammers.  JollyGood would hold these tags over their heads, making demands of how they behave if he were to remove his tag.  This is extortion.

At one point (last year?) there was a thread in Reputation accusing a bunch of accounts as alts just for having misspelled the name of an athlete in the same way.  In that thread JollyGood said something that I found ridiculous, I rolled my eyes, he removed me from his trust inclusion.  During the recent Royse777 drama, after many ignored attempts to engage JollyGood in a rational discussion, I decided to exclude him from my trust network.  A couple of weeks go by, and he excludes me.  That's retaliation.

It's been made clear to me that JollyGood abuses the trust system.  He seems drunk with the power that he's been granted.  I don't know anything about starmyc's deal with JollyGood, and I haven't had time to dig too deep.  This however, has been my fear concerning many of the newly appointed DT members; i.e. that they'll use their power to harass and intimidate newbies in an effort to either extort them for money, or merely for more power.

Anyone who keeps JollyGood in their trust inclusions needs to know that they are enabling this behavior.

I like efialtis, I think he's a really good dude.  But at times I think his judgement on these issues can be a bit skewed.  It's not the first time that I've suspected him of having a conflict of interest when it comes to drama involving casinos.  Just my opinion.

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So, am I scammer or a defender of a scammer?  Make up your mind, already.  But, if you're going to call me a scammer then provide proof.  You wouldn't want anyone to think that you're just bitter because I've exposed your scam attempts.

Yeah, that's the one.  Maybe I misinterpreted the concern.  I want to use taproot also, but probably not enough to switch from electrum to another client.  I do run core on my PC as well, I can always grab a taproot address from there if needed.  But like you said, taproot will be more practical once more services and users have implemented it.  It took a while for most to adopt native segwit, so I imagine that we'll be waiting a couple of years before v1 addresses are ready for prime time.

It reminds me of Bill Clinton's impeachment.  What is the definition of "is?"


There are lot of differing opinions shared here, and I can see how that would be overwhelming for easternklaas.  I'm not sure that posting the address is a good idea, but it would go a long way to prove that easternklaas made a good faith effort to find the original owner.  If he chooses to cash the funds after waiting some time, that could help him avoid any local legal complications.  Obviously other more private and technical methods have been suggested, but if easternklaas were to find himself in a legal pickle, would the courts and the lawyers understand those technical methods and their value in informing the owner?  It's a dilemma, to say the least.


I think that's going to depend on jurisdiction more than anything.  I live in an area where harvesting mushrooms isn't banned, but trespassing is, of course.  As long as the property in question is public property, there are almost no restrictions.  There is a small state forest not far from me that does have restrictions on mushroom gathering, but the rule (not a law) is intended to keep that specifically delicate ecosystem in balance.


I tend to agree with this.  As long as everything is kept out in the open, things tend to go smoothly.  Any private communication can go sideways in a hurry.

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This topic has turned into an interesting study of human behavior.  It reminds me of an incident that also unfolded on a public forum many years ago;  On a firearms related forum that I frequent someone posted photos of an M14 rifle that he was considering buying, and wanted the opinion of forum members about the value of the gun vs. it's asking price.  The gunshop had misidentified the rifle as an M1 Carbine (a much less valuable firearm,) and it was priced way below the market value of a typical M14 clone in similar condition.  But that's not all: This was not a commercial, semi-automatic clone version.  It was an absolutely invaluable, 100% real government issued M14, which is a machine gun and illegal to poses.  It was not on the NFA (legal machine gun) registry, so it most certainly had "fallen off the back of a truck," (or, in other words, stolen from a government arsenal.)  The fact that it was a machine gun was plainly clear from the photos, and many forum members were able to identify the small gunshop where the photos were taken.  The responses to this post were mind-boggling; many were encouraging the OP to rush back to the gunshop and buy the rifle before someone else who had seen his post does.

Now I am a staunch defender of the 2nd amendment, and I believe that restrictions on fully automatic weapons are an infringement.  Yes, it's extreme, I know, but another extreme belief I harbor is that I am a law abiding citizen and the mere presence of a full-auto weapon won't change that.  I only bring this up to make the point that no matter what I feel about a specific law and the premise for it's existence, it is the law of the land in which I've chosen to live.

I guess that was the long way around to say that whatever direction easternklaas takes, it's only his business and the business of the legal authorities in his jurisdiction.  Once he's satisfied any legal obligations, he'll only be left to answer to any spiritual authority he subscribes to.

I've asked you stop spamming the lending board with your scam attempts, but you don't listen to me.  Why should I listen to you?  I'll tell yo what, you stop asking for loans that you obviously won't pay back, and I'll stop warning people that you're a loan scammer.  Deal?

It's because you're a wanna-be scammer.

So what?  Are you suggesting the OP has the ability to predict which asset is going to pump 30x?  How well have you been able to predict these things in the last 9 years that you've been around? 

I'll tell you what, feel free to lend the OP the $50 he's asking for, or better yet, $3000 and you can be his angle investor.  For the next six years you can enjoy 30x return on your money.  As you say, it's short-sighted to suspect he's lying, and he already said it's not a ponzi.

Here it is:

You've been asking for loans for months now, and you can't even get some one to lend you a single dollar.  You know you're not going to get a loan for $30 let alone $3000.  Now you're just trolling and spamming the lending board with your bullshit.  I'm going to start reporting all your posts in the lending board as trolling from now on, and I'll use this post as a reference.  It may take me 1000 reports, but if you keep it up I will get you banned eventually.

There's obviously a difference between finding something and stealing something.  But there're considerations that should be accounted for regarding the particular item found.  If I find a brick of gold that had been buried on my property which I've owned for many years, I'd consider that brick of gold mine, all mine.  But if instead, I found a piece of paper with a bank account number, username, and password, I would shred it.  There's obviously a difference between those items.

Of course I understand there's also a difference between blockchain and bank accounts, but in this case it's impossible to know whether the owner has a back up or not.  Assuming failure of any attempt to inform the owner of the breach, I'm of the opinion that the ethical thing to do is assume the owner does indeed have a backup, and leave the funds untouched.

Now having said that; I understand there's little overlap in mathematics and ethics, and I value the freedom blockchain has given us to choose.  But, that's freedom for you.  We all get the opportunity to choose how we behave, and the right choice isn't always clear.

Apparently the release was ready before Emzy had a chance to review and sign.  I think he's been busy lately with his work as a member of the Bisq team, from what I can tell. Emzy's signatures have been added to all the releases as of this morning.

You can see the timestamp of the files here: https://download.electrum.org/4.3.0/

I too was hoping for taproot integration in this release.  According to a previous post in that thread by sombernight, some work needs to be done to enable watch only wallets.  I imagine that without watch-only, taproot wallets wouldn't work with hardware wallets.  I haven't checked on the progress of that particular feature, but I do hope we don't have to wait much longer.

Another comment in that thread has me confused, unless I'm missing something; a user mentioned that he no longer wants to use segwit addresses.  Why?  I know about the bech32 v0 flaw with the checksums, but I reckon the chances of that resulting in a loss of funds are rather remote.  I don't think segwit addresses are any more vulnerable to clipboard malware than any other address, and if you don't go around swapping your p's and q's I think you'll be fine.  Again, I may be missing something, and if so I hope someone will enlighten me.

Speak for yourself.   



Arsenal looked good.  I was afraid I was being a bit preferential predicting 0-2 myself, but I couldn't imagine the Gunners starting like last year.  It took them long enough to get that second goal, but Palace did seem to wake up in the second half.  Great start to the season.