This is nonsense, do you think Bitcoin is a logo? Its a protocol that no one controls, that's the whole point. No one can fool anyone, its in the public domain. I'm sorry but when I see people crawl out from under rocks on this forum calling for regulation and legal frameworks so we can be as 'good' as the real financial world I say BS. I personally would prefer you not only drop the notion but also that you leave the 'foundation' I'm sounding harsh but I don't trust someone who sounds like someone trying to strangle a project about freedom with legality at such an early stage as well. I feel like you acting like a Financial Lawyer on steroids with a suspicious agenda. Bottom line if something is owned and can be pinned down a government of large money interest can buy it and control its use. Run away from this stuff people... AND if you are genuinely concerned for the logo and name then I suggest you get Qora or someone to put it in the public domain just like Satoshi did.. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bitcoin.png |
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Guys, we need more opinions. Hyperphrenia is all for a legal foundation, Smaragda is against it. I'm hesitating  It sounds reasonable but having a legal orgazisation for a decentralized currency is kinda odd. Qora, what do you think? Difficult to say. You can become 'legal' when you have the need for it. qora dev, That is why I was asking you to become a member of the foundation (if it is ever created), because you're the owner and creator of qora project. You need to take possession of it in a legal way. I'm not sure you understand the culture of Crypto and I'll be honest I don't trust anyone waving legality issues around. Do you want to give us your name and address? You are going to smother this coin if you are not careful.. |
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I think a lot of people in this community are used to doing things in a amateurish way, but they fail to realize a lot of legal problems can arise in later stages.
For instance, in UK, a man tried to register a trademark for Bitcoin...
We need to prevent that from happening by acting first. Setting up a legal foundation is a good option.
By having a legal foundation, we can move all assets (ie. domain names, trademark) under one umbrella.
That's what I was talking about..
Guys, we need more opinions. Hyperphrenia is all for a legal foundation, Smaragda is against it. I'm hesitating It sounds reasonable but having a legal orgazisation for a decentralized currency is kinda odd. Qora, what do you think? legal foundation smells of decentralisation to me. I mean if you copyright something etc somewhere someone down the line needs to have their real name slapped on it. |
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Qora will reach NXT one of the eight points of market value，will start at 100 sta when On the platform. so 80 sta is still cheap.  After a month will reach 400 sta no problem.only half of nxt. do you remember: nxt only have one billion,qora have 10 billions. so nxt is 800sta,qora is 80sta.and this condition is qora is same famous as nxt. now ,what do you think? now I think that you are not just annoying but also stupid nxt price is around 8000 satoshi atm He is just trying to buy some cheap Qora. BTW, Qora bid price is even higher than offer price now: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=613750.msg6795226#msg6795226Actually it doesn't look like he's trying to do anyhing, that's why he's freaking me out Just look through his posts. It's just a bunch of crap masked at some valuable thoughts about algorythm, decentralization, prices. Looks like dumb 11 years old trying do discuss such things and doesn't even realise his dumbness. When I read him say about transactions leading to decentralisation I stopped reading... |
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Qora will reach NXT one of the eight points of market value，will start at 100 sta when On the platform. so 80 sta is still cheap. After a month will reach 400 sta no problem.only half of nxt. do you remember: nxt only have one billion,qora have 10 billions. so nxt is 800sta,qora is 80sta.and this condition is qora is same famous as nxt. now ,what do you think? now I think that you are not just annoying but also stupid nxt price is around 8000 satoshi atm He is just trying to buy some cheap Qora. BTW, Qora bid price is even higher than offer price now: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=613750.msg6795226#msg6795226people are going to regret not taking some of these sell offers. Conservatively I would say a 10x increase is very likely and a 20x is still not crazy even at the highest sell offers. |
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@qora
why blocks generator's balance totally has millions coins.
other people have a few coins has no chance to generating block.this will only make qora to be centralised.
i think you should change your code to make that people have a few coins have same chance to generate block.
Compared with a 1 million account, a 100million Qora account has 100 times chance of generating block. We call that fairness. this fairness will make to be centralised. not real fairness. only decentralised world make qora coin developing well.we should find way to make it decentralised. Could you put your mind together before posting anything? Please. i think have coins (not care about coins num) and activity accounts(recently rec coins or send coins or register name,.etc) have the same chance to generate block. that's diff from nxt, and ahead nxt. 1. Someone with 1 coin shouldn't have the same forging power as one with 1 million coins. 2. The one with 10M coins can split coins between 100'000 accounts a buy names ones in a while. 1 through activity (recently rec coins or send coins or register name,.etc), account with 1 coin should have the same chance as one with 1 million coins.account with 1 coin after activity will be zero,then no chance. 2 split coins need fees.no one will do this things: 10M coins can split coins between 100'000 accounts. We don't know the algorithm Qora is using, we may find Qora puts some weight to usage and other variables. I haven't seen any defined thinking behind it yet. I'm sure he will tell us. I have a feeling he has a unique way of doing it that is different to simple stake size. But if you are really building a currency for the future stake size has to be a major variable. |
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Qora will reach NXT one of the eight points of market value，will start at 100 sta when On the platform. so 80 sta is still cheap. After a month will reach 400 sta no problem.only half of nxt. NXT was always held back by negative views on here. It didn't kill it but it's price was confidently heading much higher than it is even now before the clones and FUD onslaught happened, people forget how much negativity was thrown at NXT. Maybe NXT is not the best comparison even though it's done great it should really be number 2 on market cap IMO. In fact if we lived in a rational world where coins value was based on its utility and nothing else then probably it should of been at 1. |
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@qora
why blocks generator's balance totally has millions coins.
other people have a few coins has no chance to generating block.this will only make qora to be centralised.
i think you should change your code to make that people have a few coins have same chance to generate block.
Compared with a 1 million account, a 100million Qora account has 100 times chance of generating block. We call that fairness. I don't exactly the percentages but if things work in a similar way to NXT then you need to look at forging or whatever you want to call it as similar to interest on a bank account not mining. So of course if you have a balance of million dollars you get substantially more interest as someone with a thousand dollars. For one thing if Qora became mainstream it would make deposits inflation proof as much as possible. Saying that the algorithm is not known actually so we don't know exactly the odds of getting a block are calculated. |
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Everytime I restart the client, all addresses are gone, have to recover them again. But nevermind, I figured out what to do now. I'm setting up a wrapper so I can add Qora to ShareXcoin. Will let you guys know once it is finished. There is no need hurry to list it on exchange. The client is unstable ATM. Plea don't add the qora. The wallet is not stable. Are you afraid that the price will explode before you managed to buy enough? Nxt had update after update and it wasn't a problem. Come-from-Beyond even made a meme: I don't usually update the client, but when I do — I do it 4 times a day. are you serious?  We know someone else who updates a client almost daily too... |
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Interesting But Simcoin is not a scam? How is chance coin higher than Qora, seems like the guy is trying to push some gambling coin. |
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Everyone got their coins, every problem was quickly resolved, no real major problems.
Have a drink, its a success!
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+1
Good idea. I don't wanna send coins away by accident
Having to put a password in to send just gives another unnecessary step especially if your password is really long and needs to be cut and pasted or even just long enough to be a pain to type. As far as I know Bitcoin has never had this kind of password check on any of its wallets. If people want it I would prefer its an option that can be turned off and on otherwise for now I personally prefer not to have that extra step. I think what people are wanting really is not a password check but a pop up that gives them a chance to double check that they want to process a certain payment. Another password is just a drag. By the way no one has commented on how fast payments are sent. Almost instant, faster than I experienced with NXT even. Is this cause there are so few accounts or is Qora just lightning quick. |
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I believe clones work for original. When IPOs like Nfd gather 2000 people around it most of them become aware that it's a fork of Nxt, so Nxt's popularity grows.
Just you, I suppose. I'm sorry, dzarmush. While I respect your skills and your contributions to the community, I'm afraid we don't see eye to eye on most of the issues. I see there are currently two camps. I think nextgencoin and I belong to the same camp. and You're more like the libertarian kind of guy. EDIT: Oh wait! I forgot to add - I agree that we should not sell QORA for under 100 satoshi.. Well done for suggesting this. Good job  Edit 2: Maybe I misunderstood you.. I don't know. If that's the case, I apologize LOL.. it's too early for me. Is it the wrong time to say I tend to think of myself as a Libertarian. Actually libertarian doesn't mean give away everything it means competition, and freedom so holding or not holding onto the source code is up to the individual. Anyway Dzarmush is right no one is asking for an early release, I think we maybe just differ in timing and how. Like I said even NXT didn't release that early and only now are we seeing clones. It's not really a subject we need to focus on right now. Keep would be cloners guessing I say. It's actually better to have some long term guys on here to check the code rather than 'outsiders' cause then we can hold them accountable if a coin pops up with clearly stolen code. To be honest the qualified experts you are talking about all tend to be on this forum anyway. I mean who involved with the Bitcoin community wouldn't know this site..People like come from beyond etc would be great guys to have onboard IMO. |
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NextGenCoin, I'm in total agreement with you on this. The dev should postpone releasing the source for at least 6 - 12 months. The next step we need to take is " Qora Code Review" by independent 3rd-party devs. And I've got a few words to say about this. I'm wondering if we can get/hire a panel of devs for the code review, the panelists should fit the following profiles: 1. Programmers who are well known in academia or research community (I'm thinking of those Johns Hopkins guys who were working on ZeroCoin project, or professors of well known schools in the USA). 2. Programmers or devs who have connection to media. 3. Devs who might be interested in working for/on Qora (remember we need devs for lightweight mobile clients). 4. Devs who are just famous or well known in the bitcoin/cryptocurrency community. Those should be the only candidates. Is Qora an open sourced project?
and when will the source code be released?
Not yet. Not yet decided. The community will make the decision based on the situation. Nobody wants early clones. I think open source as a marketing tool is essential. Without a code review people worry about how safe their money is. Yeah, but BCNext has his own way I believe nobody wants to publish source too fast. It's better to wait till Qora is well known enough so clones won't hurt it. Agree,I dont want to see tons of suck coins,open source must to do,but it is not the time I would go further and suggest the community votes for the code to be checked over by a number of trusted third parties. Open source made sense in the Bitcoin era but not anymore. Blindly doing something because it is the 'done thing' is not smart. The fact is the only people who want the source and will be complaining on here that its not released are those hoping to make a quick clone. Sensible people will vote for a new way of doing things. We need experts to look at the code not cloners... At the very least an expert check when the coin has gained some maturity and then a health long gap to opensource. I'm talking a year or more. Good you agree. But I think you idea is a little bit grand. There are plenty of trusted talented coders here on this forum. Some involved with NXT development would be good. |
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Is Qora an open sourced project?
and when will the source code be released?
Not yet. Not yet decided. The community will make the decision based on the situation. Nobody wants early clones. I think open source as a marketing tool is essential. Without a code review people worry about how safe their money is. Yeah, but BCNext has his own way I believe nobody wants to publish source too fast. It's better to wait till Qora is well known enough so clones won't hurt it. Agree,I dont want to see tons of suck coins,open source must to do,but it is not the time I would go further and suggest the community votes for the code to be checked over by a number of trusted third parties. Open source made sense in the Bitcoin era but not anymore. Blindly doing something because it is the 'done thing' is not smart. The fact is the only people who want the source and will be complaining on here that its not released are those hoping to make a quick clone. Sensible people will vote for a new way of doing things. We need experts to look at the code not cloners... At the very least an expert check when the coin has gained some maturity and then a health long gap to opensource. I'm talking a year or more. I believe clones work for original. When IPOs like Nfd gather 2000 people around it most of them become aware that it's a fork of Nxt, so Nxt's popularity grows. It's a valid viewpoint but we can't really know if it benefits beyond a bit of PR and a possible price bump cause we haven't ever experienced the flip side where there is are no clones of a major new coin. And who knows NEM might overtake NXT, it's possible. I just know there are people just itching to make a scammy clone that makes it worth their while to then to go on a campaign to FUD all over Qora. At least lets be cautious especially as Qora said it's dead easy to clone. Even NXT put some road blocks up like asking people to find flaws in code. |
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Is Qora an open sourced project?
and when will the source code be released?
Not yet. Not yet decided. The community will make the decision based on the situation. Nobody wants early clones. I think open source as a marketing tool is essential. Without a code review people worry about how safe their money is. Yeah, but BCNext has his own way I believe nobody wants to publish source too fast. It's better to wait till Qora is well known enough so clones won't hurt it. Agree,I dont want to see tons of suck coins,open source must to do,but it is not the time I would go further and suggest the community votes for the code to be checked over by a number of trusted third parties. Open source made sense in the Bitcoin era but not anymore. Blindly doing something because it is the 'done thing' is not smart. The fact is the only people who want the source and will be complaining on here that its not released are those hoping to make a quick clone. Sensible people will vote for a new way of doing things. We need experts to look at the code not cloners... At the very least an expert check when the coin has gained some maturity and then a health long gap to opensource. I'm talking a year or more. |
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Just so you know I didn't receive coins yet.
Please developer take your time and don't feel pressured. Better to do it right that too quickly.
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You need to get ahead of the curve.
The old battle was with simple bitcoin clones.
The battle is now between 2nd Gen coins. Like NXT, NEM, EXOCOIN, QORA, and ETHERUM.
KEEP UP...
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before i did so the height is 53, and now it is 66.
but my balance is still 0.
I am checking if everything is stable first before sending the transactions again. The problem isn't that it forks. The problem is that it didn't synchronize to the longest fork. Dev, please confirm this: As long as I have my seed, I can recover my wallet whenever I what. I don't need to worry about my share, it will come eventually. I can confirm, you have your seed saved your golden. |
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To those who haven't gotten their transactions yet.
Are you getting any blocks?
It seems the servers are already fucked.
Why didnt this happen during beta.
Yeah, take your time no need to rush. Thanks +1 Jman |
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