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2141  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2023/24 on: October 26, 2023, 12:44:35 PM
The El Clasico match between Barcelona vs Real Madrid will be the match we are looking forward to. In the midst of Barcelona players being hit by a storm of injuries, Xavi needs to take over the game from the academy. The young players he played with in the Champions League didn't seem to have too much difficulty facing their opponents. On the other hand, Madrid currently has a complete roster of players and Bellingham is still in top condition.
In your opinion, playing at home to Barcelona will be a challenge in itself for Madrid, because in my opinion this match will be quite difficult to predict who will emerge as the winner, Barcelona without Lewandowski, Gavi, Frenkie de Jong, Raphinha and several key players who are absent makes the match difficult burden that must be carried by the host.

Due to the background, these games are always difficult to predict and injury factors or overall team readiness do not always matter. Personally, this season I have already suffered several times from the fact that Real won the game with a slight advantage in the score, although great results were expected, so I will probably bet on Real to win with a handicap in this game. I believe that Real Madrid have an advantage and it should finally be realized.
2142  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: French Soccer League Predictions and Discussion Thread (Ligue 1) on: October 26, 2023, 12:34:26 PM
I love how PSG played against Acmilan today in their UCL game,  at the earlier stages of the season they were inconsistent and it affected them to the point that got embarrassed by Newcastle, they were defeated 4-1 but after the international break it seems the whole squad have rediscovered their form cause they're currently playing very brilliantly and did very well today, i had doubts about them winning before the match started but suprisenly they did a good job and claimed 3points from Acmilan.

 PSG performance today was outstanding I think the players are now getting an understanding amongst themselves, it was their star player that scored the opener goal to boost their morale in the 1st half and the game would had ended in a 4-0 victory if not for Dembele's goal that was cancelled by VAR, PSG really deserved the victory they performed better, dominated mostly and even created more chances.

I already wrote that after PSG dropped the ballast in the form of Neymar and Messi, they potentially became a more dangerous team than in the previous two seasons, and in fact this worries me since I am rooting against them. But I can’t help but admit that the team has now closed the Galacticos project (which was not successful anywhere) and began development in the right direction. If they find their game, they will be able to compete even for the Champions League, League 1 is in their pocket as always.
2143  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Saudi Professional League 2023/2024 on: October 26, 2023, 12:23:45 PM
And this is the another guy where people said better than Ronaldo Tongue.



Sadly the football international award is full of corruption, this is why Ronaldo isn't included in Ballon d'Or nomination. If FIFA is fair, Ronaldo will always become a nomination in Ballon d'Or and won more than FIFA's child.

Damn  Grin
However, I don’t think Ronaldo should be nominated this year, age matters and Ronaldo is no longer playing in Europe, so any statistics are worthless.
Messi, in turn, should not be nominated either, since age has also affected him and he has not been playing at the top level for several years. But unfortunately, corruption has not gone away and this year the obvious number 1 Haaland will be robbed.
2144  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: October 26, 2023, 10:59:36 AM
as reported by the 'telegraph' on wednesday, the premier league has recommended to the relevant commission to punish fc everton with a deduction of twelve points. the reason is the violation of financial rules. the league accuses the club of having incurred losses of 304 million pounds in the past three years. according to the rules, a maximum of 105 million pounds is allowed. but a decision is not expected until later in this year...

Hmm... now it’s really impossible to apply this punishment because then Everton will have a negative number of points (-5)  Grin
Essentially, the question of whether this punishment will be applied means whether Everton will remain in the Premier League or not.
Well, as always, I am not surprised by such news - it reminds me of how UEFA punished Ludogorets for violating FFP, while the cheating clubs PSG and City completely avoided punishment in various ways.
2145  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: October 26, 2023, 10:53:24 AM
Finally I got the quotes for the Serie A title:

Inter 2.10

Ac Milan 3.25

Juventus 4.50

Napoli 9.00

For some reason Inter is still considered the big favorite, I think their advantage should be more modest. And I also noticed that apparently the bookmakers themselves are not sure of anything because even if you take these 4 teams and neglect the rest, the bookmakers’ margin will be more than 11%.

yes exactly, these are the real odds, in the end they reflect how strong the teams facing this season are
notice how Napoli has dropped a lot in prices, there must be a reason, right?
It bothers me to say, I said it

Napoli are always the underdogs in the big four, plus they have a new coach, plus tensions with Osimhan, plus their results have dropped sharply compared to last season and are now tied for 4th-5th place with Fiorentina. The fact that their quotes are as such does not raise any questions at all. The beauty of Serie A is that the randomness here is very large and who knows, maybe Napoli will return to the race for the title, not only because of the radical improvement of their own game but also due to the failures of their competitors. For example, Milan yesterday showed itself to be an extremely weak-willed team.
2146  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Are you a Top-down or Bottom-up bettor? on: October 26, 2023, 10:41:17 AM
Bottom-up. In the end, we are fighting with the bookmaker's opinion (even if it is based on cash flows = the opinion of other players) and the margin which is against us. If I see distorted bets, then I easily bet on them. Placing bets according to a top-down scheme is very difficult, almost impossible, since you do not have accounts with each bookmaker and round-the-clock time to track quotes and catch a change of 1-2%.
Yes, trying to make multiple accounts just to hedge out with those minimal percentage differences would really be that needing that effort and somewhat really that tiring
on just trying to see those differences on which not really that worth for the work and time but if you do have that sufficient time then you could
really be able to waste up on that manner.  Smiley

There is no point in hedging bets to get a guaranteed profit. You just freeze more money and the average profit is the same if you just look for value and place a bet. Somewhere on the forum I saw a topic in which this was shown purely mathematically. And do not forget that one way or another bookmakers do not like those who hedge bets, it is clear that it is up to the player where, how and how much to bet, but this can cause problems in some bookmakers.
2147  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Football Transfers Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: October 26, 2023, 10:31:52 AM
The question is also whether 115 million is hight amount now? Prices have risen not only because of inflation, but also because of the growth of football itself as a business (and thanks to the Saudis, of course). This is the reality, it must be accepted, even Bayern, which resisted for a long time, was able to do this and paid a lot of money for the not too young Kane, and even in conditions when his contract was expiring in just a year.

Also, everyone in the business knows how much money a club has that is interested. One good example is also the transfer of R. Kolo to PSG, when it was about to fail but in the last minutes when the transfer window was still open, PSG topped up their offer once more and Frankfurt cashed in a huge amount in transfer fees. I think Frankfurt once signed him as a free agent? I believe that was the case and since Frankfurt knew that PSG won't let a transfer fail for 10 million more or less, they really risked to wait until only minutes were left for the transfer to be finalized.

It was a risky gamble, but apparently justified, since if we talk about “average” prices, then for PSG there really is no difference +-10 million, they just take what they need. It is ironic that in the case of Mbappe, PSG also played this game but lost - they did not receive not only a lucrative offer from Real, but none at all  Grin
2148  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2023/24 Season on: October 26, 2023, 10:24:52 AM
The competitions between the teams in the group F looks very tight that after Dortmund beat Newcastle yesterday they had just open their opportunity to qualified and at least 3 teams who have equal chances to finish at top 2 but after the loses from PSG i think AC Milan are excluded however 4th matches also looks interesting because the schedules will be same that Dortmund vs Newcastle and Milan vs PSG and probably their position will be determined depend on the results of these matches later because if Milan lose again from PSG then they certainly will not be qualified and if Dortmund can able to beat Newcastle again then Dortmund most likely will be qualified and Dortmund has good chances to beat Newcastle in this match because this time they will playing as a host

Theoretically, even if Milan scores not 12 points in the remaining games, but 9, they will qualify, but given the level of the opponents, this looks unlikely. It's funny that in just one round, Newcastle, which was the favorite of the group, changed places with Dortmund and is now an outsider (Milan is even worse, but we do not take it into account). But I wouldn’t be surprised if Borussia surprises us again in Dortmund, this time in a negative sense.
2149  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: 👑 CoinRoyale.com | Man United vs Man City ⚽ 29 October (FreeBet 1mBTC). on: October 26, 2023, 09:59:13 AM
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2150  Local / Идеи / Re: Хочу продать гениальную идею :) on: October 26, 2023, 06:50:55 AM
Есть способ гораздо проще: сделать свою идею достоянием общественности, а уже потом через суд требовать финансовой компенсации, когда компания ею воспользововшаяся озолотится. Но скорее всего они попытаются сначала предложить вам денег за право использования вашей идеи и здесь главное правильно оценить ее пользу и не просчитаться, потому что потом будете кусать локти узнав, что прибыль от реализации в миллион раз превышает ваши комисионные. Ну а как сделать идею публичной? Можно к примеру написать статью или книгу, опубликовать это все официально через известное издательство, заключить договор и поставить там свою подпись, дату и время. Авторство в этом случае гораздо проще доказать, также будет легко установить время публикации: если кто-то решит украсть идею, переписать и заявить, что он придумал ее раньше, то он не сможет это доказать. Даже если он НА САМОМ ДЕЛЕ придумал ее раньше.

Пока что в судах достаточным доказательством является емэил отправленный самому себе.
В остальном звучит утопично. Вы исходите из того что у вас вообще будет возможность с кем-то судиться, однако, это весьма и весьма сомнительно. Представьте два варианта после того как вы опубликовали идею:
1. Ее начинают реализовывать десятки мелких стартапов по всему миру. Ваши действия? Судиться? Так бабок уйдет больше чем если бы вы сами попытались свою идею реализовать (напоминаю что это не суд с Васяном с соседнего подъезда а суд например с каким-нибудь Хулио из Бразилии).
2. Корпорация заинтересовывается идеей, делает её рерайт (чтобы она выглядела уникальной и не вашей) и прекрасненько все реализует. Чтобы хоть что-то с них поиметь нужны снова миллионы баксов и годы на судебные тяжбы.

Так что я пока свои идеи складываю в ящик, либо сам реализую со временем либо пусть до них другие сами додумывается.
2151  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Football Transfers Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: October 25, 2023, 08:17:11 PM
The question is Liverpool afford to spend a high amount of money to sign Musiala? Their biggest transfer was Nunez which they spent for 85 Million Euros, Musiala's market value is 115 Million Euros, it's really big for Liverpool.

I think Klopp will try to find an alternative player which play in weak club or small league rather than sign a star player.

The question is also whether 115 million is hight amount now? Prices have risen not only because of inflation, but also because of the growth of football itself as a business (and thanks to the Saudis, of course). This is the reality, it must be accepted, even Bayern, which resisted for a long time, was able to do this and paid a lot of money for the not too young Kane, and even in conditions when his contract was expiring in just a year.
2152  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2023/24 Season on: October 25, 2023, 08:09:19 PM
I think Lazio has dropped form this season and Feyenoord are is good form this season scoring goals although I would not have played Feyenoord to win Lazio but I think they had the better chance to win.

But I am shocked about the Barcelona versus sharktar match, I think Barcelona weakness was exposed and they would have drawn the match, Barcelona is finding it hard to play football every match is becoming a struggle.

Feyenoord were slight favorites before the game (probably due to their Serie A status) but in fact they completely crushed Lazio. If now Celtic in the game with Atlético can bring the matter to victory, then this will be another group of death where everyone has a chance and in one round you can move from first place to 3rd place and vice versa.
There's nothing surprising about Barcelona's performance - they have a lot of games like this, and there were a lot of gut-wrenching games last season too, with narrow margins. That didn't stop them from winning La Liga. At these stages, none of this is important.
2153  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Are you a Top-down or Bottom-up bettor? on: October 25, 2023, 07:57:59 PM
The two methods in sports betting which most of use but are not aware of are the top-down or bottom-up betting method. In top-down betting you find a reliable source of information which is often sharp sportsbooks and look for better odds elsewhere which creates positive expected value bets. The advantages of top-down betting is that those who have used it have a proven track record of success, and with it, you only need minimal sports domain knowledge. The only disadvantages I have seen with this method is that it can be time-intensive and may lead to limitations with certain sportsbooks. In bottom-up betting method, you form your own opinion about the odds by building models or using qualitative insights and tools, which can be particularly useful in less efficient or derivative markets. The advantage of this betting method is that the bettor has a greater control over their analysis, it is suitable for inefficient markets. However, it can require more resources, domain knowledge, and may be harder to quantify the edge. I think most punters are bottom-up bettor. So which are you, a top-down or bottom-up bettor?

Bottom-up. In the end, we are fighting with the bookmaker's opinion (even if it is based on cash flows = the opinion of other players) and the margin which is against us. If I see distorted bets, then I easily bet on them. Placing bets according to a top-down scheme is very difficult, almost impossible, since you do not have accounts with each bookmaker and round-the-clock time to track quotes and catch a change of 1-2%.
2154  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: October 25, 2023, 07:52:01 PM
Finally I got the quotes for the Serie A title:

Inter 2.10

Ac Milan 3.25

Juventus 4.50

Napoli 9.00

For some reason Inter is still considered the big favorite, I think their advantage should be more modest. And I also noticed that apparently the bookmakers themselves are not sure of anything because even if you take these 4 teams and neglect the rest, the bookmakers’ margin will be more than 11%.

Im dropping my expectation for acmilan after it was losing against juventus. Acmilan was only able making one goal attempts against juventus which is so garbage as one of good team this season.
Acmilan will be facing PSG then napoli as the upcoming fixtures in serie a. Im doubting that odds my friend. It's likely that juventus shall get less than it but it seems like that quotes also based on the current standing of serie a.
Lautaro martinez was performing so crazily by scoring as many goals as possible. Intermilan looks like a scary team for me this season. This club can beat everything in serie a. I must be honest if the loss against sassuolo looked so stupid for intermilan but it was the reality that must be accepted.

It's hard to know which team that potentially to win the throphy as any team has the same chance this time. The gap is pretty small between one to the each other in the current standing. Intermilan looked very promising for me to be honest.

It’s too early to write Milan off. I remember the season before last when the bookmakers' opinions were constantly changing (like the leaders in Serie A), but towards the end of the season Inter was considered the favorite. But in the end Milan became the champion. Now a little less than a quarter of the championship has passed and the difference in results is not so great as to single out someone (unless one can recognize Napoli as an outsider). Inter is an interesting option and now they are the leaders, but I remember how many defeats they had last season and it seems to me that they have not yet proven their stability.
2155  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: October 25, 2023, 04:28:15 PM


Source: https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1717113419696902352

Breaking News!

Sandro Tonali has been banned from playing for 10 months due to his gambling scandal and this will certainly be very detrimental to Newcastle because his role is really needed to strengthen the midfield this season. Even though Newcastle are in their best performance, they have lost key players who were brought in from Milan last summer. On the other hand, it is possible that Sandro Tonali will get an additional month during his ban for the rehabilitation process. I think what Sandro Tonali has done can be a lesson for other players not to carry out similar activities and if this is the case, of course the club will be the one who suffers the most.

A mild disqualification as expected. But that’s okay, it couldn’t have been any other way. But as I understand it, given the fact that Tonali was punished for the violations that he committed as part of Milan, Newcastle now has good grounds to demand compensation from Milan. Moreover, if it is proven that Milan was aware that Tonali was breaking the law, then Milan itself should be punished.
2156  Local / Разное / Re: Форум недоступен из России on: October 25, 2023, 04:21:01 PM
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По стоимости vps самый дешевенький, простенький  обойдется наверное баксов 6-7 в месяц, я так примерно понимаю ?  
Ну подороже чем платные впн, которые пока работвют. Хотя тема и метод конечно понадежней будет. Может и придется перепрыгнуть ?

Платные ВПНы стоят все примерно одинаково - 10-11 баксов в месяц. Цену в 5-6 можно получить только если вы покупаете на срок типа в два года (как я и сделал с ПротонВПН), но такая покупка крайне рискована так как не факт что этот ВПН хотя бы несколько месяцев гарантированно проработает.
Поэтому возникает такая вот неприятная ситуация когда одного ВПН мало, а сразу за два платить помесячно не то чтобы накладно, но психологически неприятно.
2157  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Ballon d'Or discussion and odds on: October 25, 2023, 04:15:04 PM
You say that Messi did not help PSG much, but how do you explain that Messi was the second best scorer in Ligue 1 with I think 1 point behind Mbappe? Do you call that "not much of a help"? I think that is a huge exaggeration and Messi did contribute a lot to PSG's small successes, but they did not win the Champions League and this is what the fans blame him for, which is of course ridiculous.
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You pretend that you don’t understand the problem - the one who is recognized as the best should show not just “average” results in the farm league, but something truly amazing, as Haaland did. Messi was knocked out of the Champions League in the 1/8 finals two times in a row without scoring or assisting. The fact that he will receive another stolen Ballon d'Or is only evidence of ongoing corruption.
2158  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: October 25, 2023, 02:40:08 PM
Finally I got the quotes for the Serie A title:

Inter 2.10

Ac Milan 3.25

Juventus 4.50

Napoli 9.00

For some reason Inter is still considered the big favorite, I think their advantage should be more modest. And I also noticed that apparently the bookmakers themselves are not sure of anything because even if you take these 4 teams and neglect the rest, the bookmakers’ margin will be more than 11%.
2159  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Saudi Professional League 2023/2024 on: October 25, 2023, 02:33:16 PM
Al nassr was able to win this match with a score of 4-3 and in my opinion this was not an easy match for them because their opponents were able to play quite well in balancing their resistance. I think Al nassr must improve their defense in the winter transfer window because in several previous matches I noticed when Al nassr was taking the lead but the opponent was able to respond and equalize like Al nassr match against Abha.

However, today's match was full of emotional because we saw that Al nassr really pressed their opponents hard in the first half. Ronaldo has always been a hero for Al nassr, even in this match he contributed 2 goals. This season, ronaldo is performing quite well, he seems to be able to beat many of the other young players playing in the Saudi Arabian league this season.

Defense is really the last problem for Al-Nasr that needs to be solved, if they can do this then perhaps I will even think that they have reached the level of a medium-strong European club.
Ronaldo continues to amaze, but besides the beauty of the goals (especially the first one scored from outside the penalty area), I was struck by how he assisted - it’s a pity that Mane missed twice when he headed after Ronaldo’s passes, those would have been masterpiece goals too.
2160  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: French Soccer League Predictions and Discussion Thread (Ligue 1) on: October 25, 2023, 02:27:51 PM
Yes, these are very unusual results for them. Moreover, if you look at other statistics, it looks natural - they scored goals at the level of the worst team and conceded one goal less than the worst team in this indicator. Now their chances for the title are assessed at the level of odds of Toulouse, Nantes, Strasbourg, etc. 1 in 501. It is unlikely that they will be able to rise to the European Cup zone, but at the same time I am sure that they will remain in League 1.

My guess if lyon was facing the same problem as what happened to the chelsea. The only big problem if lyon will be relegated if the club keeps play like shit in the french league. It was only collecting three points.
Lyon need win streak to leave from the relegation zone which is impossible to achieve it for now.

I will mention this
https://www.ft.com/content/23d10633-b66b-4ea1-8001-cae3b62f81f6

That article has been fully explained what was happening with lyon. Lyon being acquired by the new owner and it seems like that the club feels difficult to adapt with the new owner. This is the same problem like what todd boehly did to the chelsea.
It may require more than a season to solve the problem in the club. The new owner is also expecting to sell a lot of core assets too.

This brings additional problem for lyon. It seems like this team will be relegated.

A change of ownership can have a big impact on a club, there have been many examples of this. Unfortunately, right now I don’t see any quotes on which team will leave Ligue 1, but I’m sure that this event for Lyon has a 50 to 1 chance and most likely even higher. Even Chelsea, which played horribly poorly last season, was infinitely far from leaving the Premier League.
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