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1321  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Europa League 2023/24 Season on: December 08, 2023, 05:19:02 PM
There is too much talk about who will take the title, and we don’t even know the composition of the participants in the 1/8 finals. I suggest you remember the bookmakers’ quotes before clubs from the Champions League enter the competition, which can seriously change the balance of power:

Liverpool 3.33

Bayer 04 Leverkusen 7.35

As Roma 14.70

Brighton And Hove Albion 16.66

West Ham United 20.58

Villarreal 22.54

Liverpool is the clear favorite, but the quotes show that the bookmakers have “reserved” significant odds for those who can get into the tournament from the Champions League.
Bookmakers make their predictions based on their own views on the teams performance and how they are expecting the outcomes.
I can see that they clearly favored Liverpool to be the top favorites to win the Europa League, but truth to be told, Bayern Leverkusen is more consistent than Liverpool even though I know that Premier League is tougher than Bundesliga because of the big teams in the league.

Again, some teams will join them from Champions League, most of these teams come with aggression to compete and win since they were unable to make it to the round of 16 in the Champions League group stage, therefore, I am still expecting more favorites since some good teams will be joining the Europ League from Champions League after the group stage matches.

Bayer looks more stable than Liverpool, but like Liverpool, I'm sure Bayer will focus primarily on the Bundesliga. One of the three PSG - Newcastle - Milan will get into the Europa League. Considering that PSG have the Ligue 1 title in their pocket without any problems, and Newcastle has no chance in the Premier League, like Milan in Serie A, any of these teams can concentrate on winning the Europa League. Therefore, one of these three may well become the new favorite.
1322  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Sportsbet.io ⚽ Bundesliga ⚽ Football Pool Discussion Thread 2023/2024 on: December 08, 2023, 04:07:15 PM
in less than 10 hours the 14th matchday in the bundesliga will start with the game hofenheim vs. bochum and therefore the next chance to win a sportsbet.io free bet in our bl-pool
so that everyone has the same opportunities and no one forgets their picks, here is my weekly reminder to all participants who have not yet submitted any picks:
Code:
KTChampions

Thanks again! I had a good chance to start the weekend without the Hoffenheim - Bochum game, but thank God I saw this thread  Cheesy
Interesting round ahead, isn't it? Teams from the top 7 play among themselves and the results are far from obvious, especially in the pairs Dortmund - Leipzig and Stuttgart - Bayer.
The last pair especially confuses me - both teams should not be so high... will It really be the most unpleasant result for both teams - draw?
1323  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 🏆Rollbit.com | Champions League Pool | $11,000+ in Prizes ⚽️ Discussion Thread on: December 08, 2023, 04:00:12 PM
I took another big risk at the end of the group games. I don't care if he comes or not because the gap has widened. If it comes I will get a nice point, but it won't be a surprise for me if it comes. As these are the last matches of the groups, I expect the teams to score goals against each other in most of the matches.

So what was the pick? In this round there are only two games with more or less large odds - the victory of Red Star against City and the victory of Antwerp against Barcelona. I bet on the first outcome, although in fact the bet against Barcelona looks more realistic. The team is not just in a temporary crisis (like City) but is experiencing systemic problems, so a motivated underdog can beat them.
1324  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2023/24 Season on: December 08, 2023, 03:53:53 PM
It cannot be said that Manchester United's performance in the Premier League is very bad. The team has won 9 out of 15 matches and is now sixth in the points table.
But the main problem is that I have not seen Manchester United team play well against any renowned team this season. Although they won 9 matches in the Premier League, they lost the remaining 6 matches. Can't draw any matches. Newcastle, Manchester City, Brighton, Tottenham and Arsenal have all been badly beaten by Manchester United.

Bayern Munich is a strong opponent. It is much more difficult to win against such a team. However, it is not impossible. If Bayern Munich rest their key players, and if they are not with the squad, Manchester United have a chance to win.

I'm sure you meant that United were beaten by them.
As for draws, such uncompromisingness probably plays into United's hands - after all, a draw with Bayern will be tantamount to defeat for them. So if this was poker and there was everything on the line with no chance of a draw then United would have to do it. But I’m still sure that Bayern will not lose this game.
1325  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: December 08, 2023, 03:44:43 PM
Tottenham!
Managed to pull off a dramatic 3-3 draw against the defending Champions Manchester City away from home and then 4 days later lose to West Ham United at home. In the last 5 games, they have lost 4 and drawn one. Tottenham has lost 14 points from winning positions in a game since November 6. This is a fast sinking ship that needs a quick solution before it's too late.

Yes, it's a terrible fall from the very top. Unfortunately, in the next round Tottenham plays with Newcastle and again one of the two good clubs (in the sense that I sympathize with them) experiencing problems will again lose points. And I wouldn’t even be surprised if they play a draw and thus it will be a negative result for both clubs. But oddly enough, this whole trio of losers (Tottenham, Newcastle, United) is not so far from the tournament favorite City.
1326  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Sportsbet.io's English Premier League Football Pool Discussion Thread on: December 08, 2023, 10:33:05 AM
Can anyone explain this?

Winner

Manchester City 1.85

Liverpool 4.41

Aston Villa 25.48

Tottenham Hotspur 40.18

https://sportsbet.io/sports/event/soccer/england/premier-league/premier-league-23-24-64c766be49a198000153bbb8

It's quite funny that the bookmakers changed the City quote from 1.1 to 1.85 in just one round, but why can't they quote Arsenal? Is this a mystical team with unclear odds or is it some kind of technical error?

upd: I swear while I was writing this post, the quotes changed:

Manchester City 1.23

Arsenal 1.64

Liverpool 1.96

Aston Villa 10.78

Newcastle United 16.66

Tottenham Hotspur 20.58

Arsenal are back in business (apparently I got in at the moment when they changed the odds), but City's quote is again depressing - it seems to me that they are still overvalued.
1327  Local / Русский (Russian) / Re: 🚫Запрет миксеров на форуме Bitcointalk c 1 января 2024 on: December 08, 2023, 09:51:11 AM
Я реально не понимаю - это действительно непонятно что если что-то нецензурируемо то оно и для хакеров/педофилов нецензурируемо? Если децентрализованно, то и для хакеров/педофилов децентрализованно.
Объясните мне кто-нибудь на каком этапе понимания этого простого факта происходит ступор?

Это в значительной мере верно, но не до конца.
~ Есть разница между тем, чтобы отслеживать хакеров-педофилов и ловить их, и тем, чтобы вводить тотальный кусь и слежку за каждым владельцем биткойнов. Это совсем не одно и то же.

Так в чем же ошибочка? То самое "не до конца"? Пока что вы своими примерами повторили мои рассуждения.

Для меня это уже реально задачей тысячелетия становится: криптаны понимают что вилками могут свободно пользоваться хакеры/педофилы - ноль вопросов. Телевизор хакеры/педофилы тоже могут смотреть - ноль вопросов. Дрелью хакеры/педофилы тоже могут пользоваться - ноль вопросов.
А вот криптой хакеры/педофилы почему-то пользоваться не могут, да аж так не могут что всех остальных пользователей крипты надо поставить раком и заставить брать разрешение на каждый чих.
1328  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Sportsbet.io's English Premier League Football Pool Discussion Thread on: December 07, 2023, 10:14:26 PM
I predicted Everton to be able to win today. However a 3-0 score wasn't an expected result even for me. By the way the number of people who thought Everton would win was low and this made me surprised. If Everton won by 2-1 instead of 3-0 maybe I was going to win the yellow cap this week. Tongue



Nice! It’s a pity that such a bold prediction gives only 1 point of advantage against those who bet on the favorite. Although I remember that the odds were close, most people saw Newcals as the winner no matter what.
For me, this is an unsuccessful round, so I won’t even look at the details, but I think that those who predicted Tottenham’s defeat are even fewer, although the result is classic (2-1) and it will be a full three points.
1329  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: December 07, 2023, 10:07:49 PM
Wow what happened to Newcastle? I noticed that the quotes were suspicious and made a "safe" bet on Newcastle Double Chance. It was the first choice in a multi-bet of 8 events and it immediately burned out  Undecided
Apparently, Tottenham will also kill many bettors today, since it’s already 94 minutes and the score is 2-1 in favor of West Ham. It turns out to be a continuous round of surprises and defeats for the favorites.
1330  Other / Archival / Re: Таблица Подписных Кампаний за Bitcoin on: December 07, 2023, 10:03:05 PM
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    Но в целом забавно, Теймос работает на своих конкурентов. Такого подарка АТ явно не ожидал. Правда, АТ долгое время был пристанищем подписных спамеров, прикрываясь "дружелюбной атмосферой". Админ никак не боролся с юго-восточными-бангладешскими бото-фермами. В общем, свои приколы там были, конечно. совсем до недавнего времени здесь не знали даже про существование такого форума.

Как-будто БТТ в период своего расцвета был чем-то иным  Grin

Да, и напомню что хоть Теймос и вводит цензуру (степень жесткости значения не имеет) скамы по-прежнему на БТТ не модерируются.
Так что вообще-то пользователи других форумов с иными правилами могут тоже так через губу говорить: а, биткоинтолк? помойка состоящая из мошенников и спамеров? Да слышал  Grin
1331  Local / Идеи / Re: Форк bitcointalk.org on: December 07, 2023, 09:48:04 PM
Ерунда. Пойдите поищите ЦА миксеров в тик-токе, крайне современная платформа, как думаете какова конверсия будет? М?
Что касается мощей накамоткина на них всем наплевать. Будут за контент платить 200 баксов в неделю - будет куча желающих (квалифицированных) этот контент делать и никакие мощи никого волновать не будут (как не волнуют и сейчас).
А для кого они контент будут делать? 1 Миксерам нужен приток новых клиентов для обеспечения ликвидности, но если подписанты будут общаться между собой, имитируя деятельность и оригинальность контента, то никакого притока не будет. 2 Новые пользователи хотя бы что-то оригинальное делают: задают вопросы, создают темы, провоцируют более-менее интересные дискуссии, а на новом форуме это не будет, потому что его никто не знает. 3 Зато все знают Сатоши Накамото и поэтому сначала пойдут сюда и будут создавать контент здесь.4 Это чем-то похоже на многочисленные форки битка, там тоже пытаются решить проблемы первой криптовалюты, и даже где-то решают их, но к популярности это не приводит, потому что всем нужен оригинал, а не форк.5

Дичь какую-то пишите. Попробую ответить все-таки.
1 Контент будут делать для тех же для кого делают и здесь - контентмейкеры квалифицированные и нет разницы где будет этот контент "лежать" он будет иметь ценность сам по себе.
2 Почему имитировать? Мы же уже определились с тем что контентмейкеры квалифицированные. А на хороший контент и его обсуждение и пользователи новые придут.
3 Ну так любой продукт когда-то был неизвестным. Наоборот хороший потенциал к развитию.
4 И получат нахуй бан потому что местные "криптаны" стухли и миксеры им не по нраву.
5 Да, да именно поэтому биток плетется за Эфиром нынче (с отставанием в два года - я про НФТ) потому что всем нужно старье.



Тем временем идея реализуется хотя и в другой форме: стало возможным "телепортироваться" на другой форум с сохранением ранга.
Посмотрю я где будет активность если там реально миксеры осядут и будут платить по 100-200 баксов в неделю, а здесь еще и казино хлопнут  Grin
1332  Local / Русский (Russian) / Re: 🚫Запрет миксеров на форуме Bitcointalk c 1 января 2024 on: December 07, 2023, 09:29:36 PM
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Более чем уверен, что руководители чипмиксера и синбада прекрасно знали о том, что хакеры КНДР регулярно использовали их миксеры для отмывания средств, но, видимо, их это устраивало.

Мыслепреступление совершили не иначе  Grin
Интересно, почему их должно было что-то не устраивать? Крипта она такая - "не ваши ключи не ваши биткоины". То что какие-то там обосравшиеся спецслужбы не могут хакеров угомонить, не означает что все остальные должны на каждый чих у них разрешение просить. Ну это если вы конечно вообще знакомы с идеологией крипты (ради чего все затевалось).

Я реально не понимаю - это действительно непонятно что если что-то нецензурируемо то оно и для хакеров/педофилов нецензурируемо? Если децентрализованно, то и для хакеров/педофилов децентрализованно.
Объясните мне кто-нибудь на каком этапе понимания этого простого факта происходит ступор?
1333  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2023/24 Season on: December 07, 2023, 09:19:21 PM
Bookmakers rate United's odds at 1 in 8. That's about a 12% chance of United qualifying. Maybe Bayern will not be in optimal shape because they have an away game against Eitracht Frankfurt the day after tomorrow, but I don’t think that will have a serious impact in the game against United. And I think that United should hope that Bayern beat Eintracht without any problems, because if they lose points they will be extra motivated (the game with Copenhagen where they could not beat Eintracht at home also probably left its mark).

I am not sure if Bayern Munich will play to win this match. If Bayern Munich is playing to win then I would say winning against Manchester United is not a tough task for Bayern Munich. I watched Bayern Munich's match against Copenhagen. There was no will to win in Bayern Munich's players. Bayern Munich players performed very badly. And if Munich's players perform similarly against Manchester United, then Munich has the possibility of losing points against Manchester United as well.

I didn't see the game against Copenhagen, but I read Müller's post-match interview and he was very angry that Bayern couldn't win. If you doubt that Bayern will play to win, remember last season - Bayern qualified after the 4th round (4 wins), but in the remaining games that were no longer important for it, it beat Inter 2-0 and Barcelona 3-0. And it was that crisis Bayern without a good striker.
1334  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 🏆Rollbit.com | Champions League Pool | $11,000+ in Prizes ⚽️ Discussion Thread on: December 07, 2023, 09:10:19 PM
Yes, I would really like to place bets in Pot B in advance as I'm already tired of missing out on it.
ain on the Champions League games, I prefer to either lose everything or bring the free bet to a significant amount.

I'll post it up tomorrow. It's been a crazy week, no excuse of course, but I noted posting a week in advance over 4 days in advance didn't really help/hurt submission rates.

Early morning my time -- roughly 15 hours from now, so don't worry!

Thanks in advance! I’m also having a crazy week, and given that I’ll be working 24 hours on Saturday, I have every chance of missing the forecast again if I don’t make it tomorrow  Grin
By the way, I think everyone who goes all-in will bet on Red Star? It looks as logical as possible (City cannot lose again after all the failures) and the coefficient is therefore normal (albeit less than 10). How funny it will be if Red Star really wins and half of the participants receive such a boost  Grin
1335  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Europa League 2023/24 Season on: December 07, 2023, 09:00:51 PM
There is too much talk about who will take the title, and we don’t even know the composition of the participants in the 1/8 finals. I suggest you remember the bookmakers’ quotes before clubs from the Champions League enter the competition, which can seriously change the balance of power:

Liverpool 3.33

Bayer 04 Leverkusen 7.35

As Roma 14.70

Brighton And Hove Albion 16.66

West Ham United 20.58

Villarreal 22.54

Liverpool is the clear favorite, but the quotes show that the bookmakers have “reserved” significant odds for those who can get into the tournament from the Champions League.
1336  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Italian League Prediction Thread (Serie A) on: December 07, 2023, 08:52:23 PM

This week i opt for this bet, just Inter (because can win easy with Udinese) and my beloved Juventus, can win versus Napoli.
  • Inter Milan - Udinese i will bet on Inter Milan
  • Juventus - Napoli i will bet on Juventus

My 3 euros on this bet.

The bet on Juventus seems logical, but what confuses me is that if Napoli actually loses, it will be their fourth defeat in five games (including the Champions League). And for Juventus the unbeaten streak will reach 10 games. Are these teams so different in class now that this has to happen? I might take a chance and bet on Napoli or at least a double chance on Napoli.
1337  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2023/24 on: December 07, 2023, 03:49:43 PM
Considering that, from the bookmakers' point of view, Barcelona has approximately a 30% chance of losing points, based on your assessment, you can safely bet on Barcelona. But I think it's too risky. Even though Barcelona wins tough games (eg against Atlético Madrid) they have too many tough games - even against outsiders. Girona looks like a more “vigorous” team and Girona’s goal difference is at least a little better than Barcelona’s. I see no reason why Girona cannot put up a serious fight in this game or even win it.

I think this betting is very difficult, because according to predictions the chance of winning could potentially be achieved by Barcelona but for some reason right now I prefer to bet on Girona winning because in essence I see Girona's performance is very good, and according to the standings alone because Girona is in the standings 2nd place he has 38 points but in the match when Girona faced Bilbao I saw that Girona's performance was slightly reduced because the result was a 1-1 draw but indeed Barcelona is a strong team and the proof is that when they faced Bilbao Barcelona won the match with a score of 1-0 so indeed Barcelona too has privileges that Girona doesn't have, but when facing Rayo Barcelona drew with a score of 1-1 but when Girona faced Rayo Girona won the match with a score of 1-2 yes this is a difficult situation to predict who will win later, it looks like we have to see Girona's performance tomorrow in the match against Orihuela in the Copa Del Rey league so that we can learn more and measure the extent of Girona's strength.

Personally, I decided to skip this game completely. Neither BTTS nor Total attracts me. I really have no idea how this game will go. And it’s not about Girona, if there was a game between Girona and the same team as Girona, then I would be sure that the total would be more than 2.5 and BTTS, even with odds of 1.5, would be profitable. The problem is in Barcelona. Maybe they will play the bus, maybe they will have problems converting chances. The score can be either 1-0, 0-0, 0-1, or 3-2. I won't risk it here.
1338  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Sportsbet.io's English Premier League Football Pool Discussion Thread on: December 07, 2023, 03:16:16 PM

Buwaytress likes bets with odds of 10, I’m not sure that odds of 4.70 (as the Aston Villa win is currently quoted) will attract him.
I hope City will lose points again and the bookmakers will understand that they were in a hurry to give the title to City with odds of 1.1.

I definitely wouldn't have seen this if not for the notify heh.

Correct on me missing this loss (I put a freebet on this but not any of my own money). Chelsea, Liverpool, Spurs all had better odds (yes, at Etihad of course) so those were bets I took easily.

Villa even at home, I can't be sure against City. It wasn't a value bet in my eyes. I don't mind City losing points, would throw money away for that heh.


Yes, it was not a value bet "before the game". But when I look at the statistics, I understand that Villa was undervalued:

Shots - 22:2
Shots on target – 7:2
Corners – 6:0

In fact, they simply destroyed City and the score 1-0 is a great success for the guests. As I heard throughout the game, only Haaland had one chance and nothing more.
I'm even more impatiently waiting for the tour to end and the bookmakers to update the quotes. It seems to me that we can already say that City were dethroned.
1339  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 🏆Rollbit.com | Champions League Pool | $11,000+ in Prizes ⚽️ Discussion Thread on: December 07, 2023, 02:41:34 PM
Nice to know you guys can still have fun with Rollbit betting when Champions League is "offline" but buwaytress needs to put the new links here soon as weekend is almost here!

Yes, I would really like to place bets in Pot B in advance as I'm already tired of missing out on it.

I'll spend my promo freebet (refund $50) on next game. So you can't use it for multibet? Means I need to bet on United to win lol Nah it goes to my fav French league Smiley



Yes, you can only use a free bet for a single bet, but in reality this is not a problem since there are always interesting outcomes that seem profitable. Apparently you are confident in Strasbourg and we will look at the result in a few hours. Good luck!
I plan to bet my winnings again on the Champions League games, I prefer to either lose everything or bring the free bet to a significant amount.
1340  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2023/24 Season on: December 07, 2023, 02:18:24 PM
Mathematically, it's still very much possible for Manchester United to progress to the next round of the UEFA Champions League competition and that's if they can beat Bayern Munich at home while Copenhagen play our a draw against Galatasaray but in my own opinion, they'll need a miracle to reach the round of 16 in the competition because the last two matches in the group is very unlikely to produce such results.  Bayern Munich has been very impressive since the start of the season and are one of the few clubs that are yet to lose a game in the competition so for Manchester United to beat them in that game at Old Trafford next week, they'll have to play to their full strength while hoping for Bayern Munich boss Thomas Tuchel not to field his strongest squad since they've already won the group.

Copenhagen home game against Galatasaray is also unlikely to produce a draw because the two teams knows what's at stake going into the game. Copenhagen will be playing in front of their home fans and that I think will give them extra motivation to win the game and progress to round of 16 while Turkish champions Galatasaray also will be seeking to win the game to reach the knockout stages. Any of the three teams between Manchester United, Copenhagen and Galatasaray can still qualify but Manchester United in my opinion are in a more difficult situation to make to the knockout stages of the competition.

Bookmakers rate United's odds at 1 in 8. That's about a 12% chance of United qualifying. Maybe Bayern will not be in optimal shape because they have an away game against Eitracht Frankfurt the day after tomorrow, but I don’t think that will have a serious impact in the game against United. And I think that United should hope that Bayern beat Eintracht without any problems, because if they lose points they will be extra motivated (the game with Copenhagen where they could not beat Eintracht at home also probably left its mark).
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