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1961  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2023/24 on: November 02, 2023, 03:56:50 PM
Real Madrid is not completely safe from leading the standings even though they currently have several points ahead of Barcelona. Girona are level on points with Real Madrid, as are Atletico Madrid if they win their postponed match. Game by game it will be tough for all the teams although for now Real Madrid, Girona and Atletico Madrid look unstoppable, but yes they may still drop points in some of their other games in November or December.

Right now Barcelona is 4 points behind Real Madrid and Girona, but there are many people who believe that Barcelona can close the point gap when the team above them slips. I don't know which team can beat the current leaders besides Atletico Madrid, but Real Madrid cannot underestimate Rayo Vallecano in the next match.

I don't really agree with you. I think there is currently no team to race with Real Madrid. In fact, Girona had good performances so far but compared to Real Madrid they do have not enough potential and I don't expect them to take the first pale in the La Liga from Real Madrid. On the other hand, Atletico Madrid is not in good form yet and the only team to race with Real Madrid is Barcelona while there is a four-point gap between these two teams.
    


Barcelona's big problem is that it loses points in games with outsiders, plus it lost a personal meeting with Real. At least temporarily, Real has eliminated the danger from Barcelona and now everything depends on Real.
As for Atlético, no one takes it seriously because in recent years they have consistently degraded, but in fact now they have equal points with Real (with a different number of games, lost points must be counted) and a won personal meeting.
1962  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Football Transfers Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: November 02, 2023, 03:49:34 PM
On the one hand, Vinny is right and maybe La Liga needs to be tougher with aggressive fans who make racist chants in stadiums (what are the damn stewards doing? Why don’t they identify these people?). But on the other hand, it seems to me that he needs to understand certain facts: if they want to insult you (fans of another team want this), then they will cling to anything and racism has nothing to do with it at all. If he was a believer, he could be insulted on religious topics, if he was gay, then on sexual topics, etc. Paradoxically, racist slurs do not indicate racism.

Vinicius Junior is going to stay there in Real Madrid and he is not going to change his team any time soon even because of the bad behavior they have with this player. I think there is racism every where and it's not just about La Liga to some a few teams. Changing the league or changing the team is going to help at all. On the other hand, Vini is an important player in Real Madrid and I'm sure they don't want to lose him at all.

I heard that he extended his contract with Real until 2027 so it is obvious that he is staying. But I would like him to concentrate more on football and not on racists (even if there are a lot of them in the football environment) - after all, he cannot change them and why waste energy on them if he needs to concentrate on football? He needs to accept the fact that any star football player lives his whole life under enormous pressure from haters and learn not to pay attention to it.
1963  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2023/24 Season on: November 02, 2023, 03:40:40 PM
I wouldn't say United are playing inconsistently. For example, now they are losing the second match in a row with a score of 0-3. Quite consistent  Grin The problem is that, after all, Copenhagen and Galatasaray are either equal to United or weaker, so in these pairs there can really be any result. As for the final game in the group stage, I don’t think that Bayern will play weaker than usual - they are disciplined and they have a tradition of winning all the games in the group stage, regardless of the significance of the tournament.

The chance for united to pass the group stage of UCL is still there. I meant im not being too pessimistic about manchester united. We have seen the latest result against newcastle if MU was losing in this game but im sure that the different result when it comes to the UCL.
MU was luckily having bayern as the only strongest team in the group while galatasaray and copenhagen must be rated in the same level as manchester united. It means if united has chance to pass the group stage.

As long as manchester united can win the two matches against copenhagen and galatasaray and i think MU can do that. The main problem if the matches against galatasaray and bayern will become a very hard game for MU

Yes, there are chances, but it’s quite funny (how low United have fallen) that bookmakers see this event as a complete random event:

To Qualify From Group A - Manchester United

Yes 1.80

No 1.90

By the way, I would rather bet on No, since there is a possibility that the players are trying to get rid of Ten Hag and deliberately play poorly/lose. This theory cannot be confirmed or refuted, but it happens quite often in football.
1964  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: November 02, 2023, 03:10:39 PM
I don’t know how close Ten Hag is to being fired (but I hope that he is close), but those who know something and are ready to answer for their knowledge with money (bookmakers) accept bets on this event with odds of 9 to 1. Unfortunately, this means that for now it is not a very likely event. There may be an additional factor in Ten Hag's favor in that if United decide to sack him they will have to pay him 15 million in compensation.
I think Erik Teg Hag is the second version of Jose Mourinho to have issues with his players, the first was Cristiano Ronaldo, and the second was letting David de Gea go and now Jadon Sancho. Erik Teg Hag should settle his differences with Sancho and give him playing time at Machester United. The money that Erik Teg Hag used in signing Onana, Mason Mount, and Ramus Hojlund, could have been used to secure the signature of Harry Kane or Victor Oshimen maybe things could have been different for Manchester United.

I don't think so. They don't have anything even close. Mourinho could be very tough with players (this is justified when a player gets impudent), but he tried to find an individual approach to everyone and was a great diplomat and psychologist. I watched a lot of his interviews and interviews with those whom he coached, and all these points are revealed there. Ten Hag only cares about his image as the "top boss" and not about normal cooperation with the players. This is the approach of a provincial coach who has no place in a top club. In small clubs with young players this might work, but not in big clubs.
1965  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Ballon d'Or discussion and odds on: November 02, 2023, 03:01:49 PM
in the period 2008-2012, Xavi and Iniesta won at the club level everything that Messi won + the World Cup + 2 European Championships.
So did Sergio Busquets, so did Pedro, so did Pique, so did Puyol, so did David Villa (after he joined).
You are yet to explain how Xavi and Iniesta are personally better players than Messi. Football is not based on your perception, but on reality.

Exactly! Plus Sneijder, Forlan and others who in different years were stronger than Messi, but they did not receive a prize, but he did. That's right - Messi is an ordinary player who was promoted by corrupt officials.
It’s good that you talked about reality, because it was in reality that Xavi and Iniesta won the World Cup and two European Championships in just 4 years (a legendary achievement) and Messi failed without them.

Messi completely failed without them at the 2010 World Cup and was an ordinary player at the 2011 Copa America. But during this period, Messi received 4 Ballon d'Ors, and Xavi and Iniesta zero  Grin
Messi has won 3 balon d'ors without Xavi and Iniesta and 2 without Barcelona.

- Jay -

Yes, yes, you can repeat all this many times, but why can’t you explain what happened in the period 2008-2012? Xavi, Iniesta and Messi have the same achievements at the club level, and are absolutely cosmically different at the national team level. At the same time, Messi collected all the awards even though he was monstrously worse than Iniesta and Xavi.

~
I check Inter Miami position in MLS, currently they're in 14th position from 15 teams! what is this guy contributing to Inter Miami? Tongue

Better yet, ask what his contribution to PSG is  Grin PSG before Messi: semi-finals and finals of the Champions League, and with Messi, elimination in the 1/8 two years in a row. But they will tell you how many assists he made in the game with Claremont  Grin
1966  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2023/24 Season on: November 01, 2023, 10:12:36 PM
Man United is difficult to predict, they played inconsistently. Although they are not in a good shape, it doesn't mean they can't qualify for the next round. They actually still have a chance to qualify, they have many quality players. If they can improve their performance, it is not impossible that they will finish the group stage in the 2nd place. Moreover, the point gap between Man United and Galatasaray is only 1 point. If Man United can beat Copenhagen and Galatasaray in the next 2 matches, Man United probably overtakes Galatasaray position in 2nd place. Then, Man United must try to steal point from Bayern Munich in the last match. The match will be in Old Trafford, I think they can try to get a draw result.

I wouldn't say United are playing inconsistently. For example, now they are losing the second match in a row with a score of 0-3. Quite consistent  Grin The problem is that, after all, Copenhagen and Galatasaray are either equal to United or weaker, so in these pairs there can really be any result. As for the final game in the group stage, I don’t think that Bayern will play weaker than usual - they are disciplined and they have a tradition of winning all the games in the group stage, regardless of the significance of the tournament.
1967  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: November 01, 2023, 10:02:34 PM
I understand the fact that this team is playing really bad but that doesn't remove the fact that this Newcastle team are no longer a small side and have truly transformed when it comes to their gameplay and share dominance in the field. Manchester united are really under performing and if someone isn't done about this team now then the team will just end up like their counter part London team "Chelsea" who have been struggling since and still haven't found a solution to the root of their problem.

Hmm... have you completely come to terms with the fact that United is a team from the middle/basement of the standings and even such upstarts (even with prospects) like Newcastle should butcher United? I don’t even know what to say in this case. Maybe it's time to change the head coach, and not "accept the new realities" in which United is a garbage dump.
1968  Local / Трейдеры / Re: доллар соскамят on: November 01, 2023, 09:49:26 PM
Я так понимаю вы на совковые штампы опираетесь в своих голословных (надеюсь пока что) утверждениях?  Roll Eyes
Даже в вики термин "тэтчеризм" подтверждает именно мою точку зрения, если у вас есть какие-то иные интерпретации или у вас свое мнение насчет этого термина, то с удовольствием ознакомлюсь

Тетчеризм – это неолиберализм. Мне нужно объяснять, что такое экономический либерализм и laissez-faire (где нет места государству в принципе)?

Вот и поговорили  Grin
Но на ваш вопрос все-таки отвечу, да объяснять нужно, особенно если уже об этом идет дискуссия, а закатывание глаз и пидарское манерное "ой а что надо объяснять" свидетельствует лишь о том что вы долбоеб и тот отзыв который оставил в вашем трасте DarkStar_ на 100% точен.
1969  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Tyson Fury vs Francis Ngannou Boxing October 28 on: November 01, 2023, 09:43:51 PM
The only excuse that can be accepted - if Ngannou really claim he won the fight, then he should have knocked out cold Fury. Even if your boxing is better, the fact that you cant show its fully and your opponent is a champ, judges will give him a victory anyway. That knockdown only changed fights result from UD to split. If you want to win a champion, then a knockout is the only solution or total dominance. Ngannou did not show total dominance during 10 rounds. So the result is fair.

P.S. For that clean elbow that Fury landed, Ngannou should have landed a lowkick in return Cheesy

You described an absolutely correct algorithm for how the winner is determined in title fights, but I would not say that the conclusion “everything is fair” is logical. I would say that this is a dirty business (where big brands are needed and not justice) so we have what we have.

Apparently the fight with Ngannou brought Fury back to earth (to the canvas haha) and he realized that a fight with Usik would be too risky. Now I again think that we will not see this fight because Fury will avoid it in all possible ways.
Exactly, fight with Usik will be super risky and will super negatively affect Fury's career. He has to either take fight seriously or continue drinking alcohol and doing coke.~

Perhaps Fury wants to catch a boar pumped full of nandrolone again and eat it whole  Grin Therefore, he will delay the fight with Usik as long as possible.
1970  Local / Трейдеры / Re: доллар соскамят on: November 01, 2023, 09:36:38 PM
Думаю Тетчэр имела ввиду лишь то, что нехрен охуевать и противопоставлять государство и налогоплательщиков так как в нормальных странах государство это и есть налогоплательщики/инструмент который представляет их интересы

Тетчер продвигала экономическую политику, ставшую впоследствии известной как "тетчеризм", и в рамках этой политики понимание приведенной цитаты однозначно и не представляет никакой сложности

И это точно не "государство и есть налогоплательщики"
~

Я так понимаю вы на совковые штампы опираетесь в своих голословных (надеюсь пока что) утверждениях?  Roll Eyes
Даже в вики термин "тэтчеризм" подтверждает именно мою точку зрения, если у вас есть какие-то иные интерпретации или у вас свое мнение насчет этого термина, то с удовольствием ознакомлюсь.
1971  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: November 01, 2023, 09:30:13 PM
                            Manchester United Vs Newcastle United

The game is currently 2-0 in favour of Newcastle United, as almiron put a beautiful goal against United. Though I believe the goal was a defensive error from United defence, as almiron took on Dallot on the run move towards the 18 yard box, before onana could rush towards almiron, he had to use his left foot to flip the ball pass onana.
The second goal as well, is a defensive error, This first half is devastating for united.

It seems that United started the match actively, but Newcastle have a coach, so they played smart and the result is as they say on the scoreboard. It’s unlikely that anything will change in the second half, so the only thing I’m looking forward to is listening to Ten Hag’s next excuses. By the way, before the game he said something about “last chance” and the like, trying to cheer up the team  Grin
1972  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Football Transfers Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: November 01, 2023, 08:47:12 PM
While I do agree that Vini will want to stay there, I also think that him being outspoken about la liga racism is another reason for him to maybe leave. Not that racism doesn't exist anywhere else, of course it has been noted that it happened in other nations too, but only in la liga it has been ignored, if you do anything racist in premier league as a fan, they will ban you for life, if you do that in bundesliga the same, it has happened before and people were banned.

In la liga though, teams have done very disgraceful stuff and la liga ignored it so far, and Vini has been outspoken about it, so people are aware how much he hates it and they do it more than other black players, this means that over course of some more time, Vini may face a lot more racism, and la liga may keep on ignoring, and he may leave because of it.

On the one hand, Vinny is right and maybe La Liga needs to be tougher with aggressive fans who make racist chants in stadiums (what are the damn stewards doing? Why don’t they identify these people?). But on the other hand, it seems to me that he needs to understand certain facts: if they want to insult you (fans of another team want this), then they will cling to anything and racism has nothing to do with it at all. If he was a believer, he could be insulted on religious topics, if he was gay, then on sexual topics, etc. Paradoxically, racist slurs do not indicate racism.
1973  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2023/24 Season on: November 01, 2023, 08:38:27 PM
In terms of scoring chances, the game with Dortmund was not as bad as the result. This time the random was on the side of Dortmund, but it is not a fact that it will be on the side of Dortmund in Dortmund. I think in the next round PSG will defeat Milan and, one might say, guarantees (at least dramatically increases the chances) a place in the 1/8. Thus, in the last game of the group stage for Newcastle, they will have to beat demotivated Milan at home. And take at least 3 points in one of the away games - against Dortmund or PSG. This is quite real.

When it comes to PSG to defeat Milan away I can't be much confident about that despite the look of the points in the group now. Because there are some pieces of the puzzle to piece together. One of them is that Milan were really effective against Newcastle in San Siro. They were in full control but couldn't finish any of their chances with a goal.

But maybe their luck can turn against PSG if they show a similar performance again. The other piece is that PSG lost hard to Newcastle away as I said before. PSG were really desperate against a team playing home really strongly.

If Milan also play as solid as Newcastle home then PSG might have big difficulties once again. They are already not a very consistent team. But this is only my thinking for this matchup so we will see.

Theoretically, it may even be that Milan will win the remaining three games and are guaranteed to advance to the 1/8, but practically for the upcoming match the bookmakers give the following quotes:

3.05 - 3.45 - 2.34

And I am inclined to agree with them. PSG failed once against Newcastle, but they beat Dortmund comfortably and destroyed Milan at home. I don’t remember any success for Milan this season at all (not against small clubs), they can’t even score goals. There is always room for fluctuations, but even here I think PSG will win.
1974  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: November 01, 2023, 08:29:22 PM
United's weakest line is Ten Hag himself  Grin He bought 1.5 squads at his own request (and it is suspected that there was a certain amount of corruption/conflict of interest there) and justifying the terrible results by the fact that they didn’t buy someone for him are just excuses. Each coach works with what he has - there are always unexpected injuries, transfers (sometimes to prison haha) but the team does not consist of 11 people and not from one scheme. A qualified coach constantly adapts to circumstances. Under Ten Hag's leadership, the players are deteriorating and the club has a toxic atmosphere.
I have to be agreed with you about this all as well because we have too many transfers which are not helping but having huge amounts and Ajax is also suffering due to this as well which is another story but currently this all is hurting badly to Manchester United and their fans which are suffering and having not positive real time chances for the improvement in their game Ten Hag is currently controversial person in this all because his leadership is also under threat with the things which he is doing and having no positive results in long run.

Hopefully we will have all things out in coming months with for me most chances if we have no change in Manchester United performance then he can lose his job as well because he is not capable of bringing changes and positive results even after having all players of his own request.

I don’t know how close Ten Hag is to being fired (but I hope that he is close), but those who know something and are ready to answer for their knowledge with money (bookmakers) accept bets on this event with odds of 9 to 1. Unfortunately, this means that for now it is not a very likely event. There may be an additional factor in Ten Hag's favor in that if United decide to sack him they will have to pay him 15 million in compensation.
1975  Local / Трейдеры / Re: доллар соскамят on: November 01, 2023, 08:20:49 PM
~Это есть те «государственные деньги», о существовании которых не подозревала М. Тэтчер.~

Думаю Тетчэр имела ввиду лишь то, что нехрен охуевать и противопоставлять государство и налогоплательщиков так как в нормальных странах государство это и есть налогоплательщики/инструмент который представляет их интересы.
Но в папуасиях всё иначе естесвенно, сам понятийный аппарат другой.

В случае, если она говорила о природе денег вообще.
   Ну тут даже смешно это обсуждать. То, что эмиссией денег занимаются центробанки и их аналоги = э то настолько общеизвестный факт, что обычно никто не требует его доказательств.  Налогопательщики к созданию денег не имеют ни малейшего отношения. Для того, чтобы заплатить налои деньгами, эти деньги предварительно должен кто-то создать. Их создают центробанки. У налогоплательщиков нет волшебного печатного станка. Но это распространённое когнитивное заблуждение — путать эмиссию денег с процессом сбора налогов.

Самое смешное в том, что вы ошибаетесь. Читаем про такую вещь как вексель. Даже в  рфии (не знаю как сейчас когда уже изнасиловали все законы), в свободные времена вексельное право было на уровне, что кстати порождало довольно интересные дискуссии на форумах на тему "частные деньги vs государственные" еще до битка.
1976  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2023/24 on: November 01, 2023, 08:05:24 PM
I think there is a big opportunity to bet on Atletico Madrid for the new game week. In two days they are going to be playing against Las Palmas away. Interestingly their odds are around 1.60. I wouldn't have expected them to have odds more than like 1.40 or maybe 1.45. When I checked the information about injuries and suspensions I didn't see anything different than the last game.

I believe Atletico Madrid would continue on their way with another win. Las Palmas are having a hard time against big teams. Besides Atletico Madrid have always been winning against them no matter home or away.

Yes, these odds look quite generous considering that Atlético is on par with Real Madrid and Girona. I think the point is that this is an away game, plus Las Palmas is extremely strong in defense = they conceded only 10 goals (they are third in the league by this indicator). Maybe the bookmakers think that this game is more likely to end with a score of 0-0 than a victory for Atlético.
1977  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Ballon d'Or discussion and odds on: November 01, 2023, 07:54:44 PM
All these are words, but in fact Messi without Barcelona is an ordinary average player.
Messi without Barcelona did not exist so we cannot make any assumption on what he was or would have been. The closest we can use is his National team and Messi without Barcelona in this situation is a,
- World Cup winner,
- Copa America winner,
- Olympic gold medalist,
- 2× World cup Golden ball,
- Two times world cup finalist.

A very fine record if you ask me.

If you watch football, then you must have heard about Iniesta, Xavi and others who were consistently better than Messi (and achieved the greatest achievements without him, while he failed without them) but did not win a single Ballon d'Or.
On what criteria are they better than Messi?
And what greatest achievement are you talking about, world cup? Yeah, he has achieved that.

- Jay -

Friend, did you spend some time in prison without the Internet? What you wrote looks like a malicious mockery of Messi’s “achievements.” Here are some small facts (which I’m already tired of writing about): in the period 2008-2012, Xavi and Iniesta won at the club level everything that Messi won + the World Cup + 2 European Championships. At this time, Messi completely failed without them at the 2010 World Cup and was an ordinary player at the 2011 Copa America. But during this period, Messi received 4 Ballon d'Ors, and Xavi and Iniesta zero  Grin

Messi as a brand is a PR product, but as a person he is simply a thief, as an athlete he is good, but far from the top.
1978  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Sportsbet.io ⚽ Bundesliga ⚽ Football Pool Discussion Thread 2023/2024 on: November 01, 2023, 07:49:28 PM
@all participants sportsbet.io sponsors 5x 20USDT free bets due to the top match dortmund vs. bayern. these 5 free bets will be credited on the next monday to the 5 participants who score the 5 highest points (after the matchday winner). if there are participants who have the same number of points, first the 4-pt matches, then the 3-pt matches and finally the 2-pt matches will be evaluated.

example: player a and player b both reach 14 points. player a has 3 correct results and player b only 2, then player a is the winner.

Great news! Thank you! By the way, I think it will be quite difficult to get into the top 5 since it coincided, but in this round almost all the pairs are very even and the result will be as random as possible. The only bets that look reliable are Leipzig and Bayer, but even here there is a catch since these are away games, plus will Bayer really remain unbeaten for that long?
1979  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Sportsbet.io ⚽ Bundesliga ⚽ Football Pool Discussion Thread 2023/2024 on: October 31, 2023, 09:18:10 PM
casperBGD and efialtis are the matchday winners with 18 points each. congratulations to both of you - the sportsbet.io free bets will be credited to you soon.
efialtis has even forgotten to give the picks for one game...
on the first three places all three participants have the same score
the overviews will follow soon...
~

He scares me. He has already earned three yellow caps and if he had not forgotten to make predictions, he would already be in first place  Shocked How can you make two predictions on a 2-2 score and get 7 points? I have no words. If he doesn’t change his averages, then in about 3-4 rounds he will be at the top. I would like to know how one can predict such a random league so confidently.
1980  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Ballon d'Or discussion and odds on: October 31, 2023, 08:58:48 PM
In general, it’s sad that Messi could have gone down in history as a great athlete even from “one team,” (far from the best, but at the level of Thomas Müller, Totti, etc.) but he went down as a great thief.
This is quite the take on arguably one of the greatest players that football has ever witnessed. Putting Messi at the level of Totti and Muller clearly shows that you do not watch the sport at all or you support a rival club/player which makes you blind to what goes on in it.

I am not even a fanboy, I just watch football neutrally and call what I see. It is debatable whether Messi won this Balon D'or just as the one that Modric one and some Ronaldo won as well. That is football, fans have their opinions and can go extreme with it, but saying he "could" have gone does as a great athlete... is ridiculous.

- Jay -

All these are words, but in fact Messi without Barcelona is an ordinary average player. If you watch football, then you must have heard about Iniesta, Xavi and others who were consistently better than Messi (and achieved the greatest achievements without him, while he failed without them) but did not win a single Ballon d'Or.
And yes, one thing most bright is always memorable, Messi was good, but one of the brightest “threads” in his career was being a favorite of football officials (you understand what kind of scum these are, you follow football, hehe?) and a thief.
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