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1541  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: FIFA World Cup 2026 :Canada/Mexico/United States: Discussion Thread on: November 23, 2023, 12:40:56 PM
Well, if we assume that Brazil cannot beat Chile and Bolivia, then they probably do not deserve a place in the final part of the World Cup and there is no tragedy here. But there are really still many games ahead - 12 and Brazil has a huge number of opportunities to both improve its position and simply maintain its 6th place, which gives a direct ticket to the World Cup.
In general, this is a rather funny competition: 10 participants, 6 of whom receive a direct ticket and another one gets into the play-offs, that is, out of 10 participants, 7 teams can get to the World Cup at once. Incredibly difficult tournament!  Grin

I know, I know... It is not that I really believe Brazil could miss this qualification, but you are certainly right with what you said. If they fail, or any team that fails, does not deserve to participate in the World Cup regardless of their name and history as a football nation. And there are so many games to go, which I believe still calms down the Brazilian team and they think nothing bad happened thus far.

But this is where I start developing this tiny doubt about them. If they still think this is not a dangerous situation for them, it could backfire. It is all still good and 12 games to go. But when they now lose two or three more games against opponents from below them in the table, this could really become a tough qualification for them. At first you lose a game because you play bad, but then, you know, the games go against you for unexpected reasons. Brazil dominates, but then there is this red card and the penalty. 20:1 shots but that one shot of the opponent hit the upper right angle of the goal... You know what I mean Wink

Yes, I understand, sometimes absolutely incredible results happen, but the longer the distance, the more unlikely they are. There are 12 games ahead, which is 5 games more than in the Champions League playoffs. And as we know, the Champions League is always won by the same clubs, although the distance is shorter and we can assume that the dispersion will be greater.
In general, I have not checked, but I am sure that the bookmakers quote the probability of Brazil qualifying as 1.01. Moreover, taking into account the fact that the bet will be played only in 2025, we can say that this is a negative coefficient (lower than inflation).
1542  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ UEFA Euro 2024 in Germany ⚽ - Qualifiers on: November 23, 2023, 12:33:22 PM
Wow! So, if Italy plays like garbage and Albania is good, then Albania should suffer based on some crap ratings, and Italy should make a profit? And you apparently assume that this will be “in the interests of everyone”?  Roll Eyes This point of view seems a bit arrogant to me.
First of all, if Italy was a total garbage, they woulnd't even qualify for Euro. 2nd, 8 or 10 games is imho not a sample enough to determine the strength of each of the teams. Ask anyone from the Pot 1 would they rather play vs Albania or Italy on Euro and let me know.

Don't get me wrong, seeding based on FIFA ranking ain't perfect either but is imho much better than what UEFA is using as it increases chances for either too weak or too strong groups where some of the favorites might meet too early.

And why do you think UEFA switched to this system? I think because, with all its disadvantages, it will now better reflect the strength of teams - have you seen how teams play in the Nations League? Nobody gives a damn about this tournament but the results are taken into account and this distorts the rating.
And I think even more important is the question of fairness: if a team plays poorly in this particular tournament, then let it go to the basement, that’s its problem. Yes, maybe as a fan it will be more interesting for me to watch the Germany - Italy game in the playoffs, but if Italy cannot be better than Albania, then let them fall into the group of death and fight there.
1543  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2023/24 Season on: November 23, 2023, 12:22:36 PM
The major surprise for me in this group stages has been Benfica. They sit bottom of the group after losing all their four games and are already out of contention for a round-of-16 slot and will need a huge turn around to make it to the Europa league.

This is a stark difference from their last season campaign where they topped the group with PSG coming second and went on to reach the quarter finals, only to be knocked out by eventual finalist in Inter Milan. Somehow their league performance have not dipped at all and they sit tup of the liga Portugal.

- Jay -

In general, I'm also surprised that they are in last place, but this is a common situation for underdogs - sometimes they can soar much higher than average, and sometimes they can fall just as much. If they didn’t have such volatility, they would be almost top clubs. However, they still have the opportunity to bypass Salzburg and get into the Europa League.
1544  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ UEFA Euro 2024 in Germany ⚽ - Qualifiers on: November 23, 2023, 08:35:05 AM
Well, in fact, this is a completely logical system and in fact it works 100%.
This new system is pure shit and it will only increase chances of having a very strong or a very weak group in Euro and I don't think that its anyone's interest. Thanks to the geniuses at UEFA we may have group with France, Denmark, Croatia and Italy and at the same time we could have a group with Belgium, Albania, Slovenia and Greece. They should imho just stick to seding based on FIFA ranking instead of this mess.

This is how it would look like if based on FIFA ranking as of November 2023. We could still get harder and weaker groups of course, but generally speaking it would be more balanced.

Pot 1: Germany, France, England, Belgium, Netherlands, Portugal
Pot 2: Spain, Italy, Croatia, Switzerland, Denmark, Austria
Pot 3: Hungary, Serbia, Scotland, Turkey, Czech Republic, Romania
Pot 4: Slovakia, Slovenia, Albania + 3 teams from the playoff.

Wow! So, if Italy plays like garbage and Albania is good, then Albania should suffer based on some crap ratings, and Italy should make a profit? And you apparently assume that this will be “in the interests of everyone”?  Roll Eyes This point of view seems a bit arrogant to me.
For the first time in a long time, UEFA did something reasonable, and you are defending the old corrupt system that increased the advantage of already strong teams and oppressed the weak ones due to some crap ratings based on games that had nothing to do with the tournament at all.
1545  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: November 23, 2023, 08:21:42 AM
Breaking News: Manchester United want to sign Thomas Müller in the January transfer window:
Erik ten Hag wants to sign Thomas Müller for Manchester United because he wants to make some new changes for the club. So I think it would be a good decision from Manchester United boss Erik Ten Hag because Thomas Müller is a very appropriate and well-experienced player, and his way of playing is world-class, which might be very helpful for the Red Devils. Thomas Müller's contract will expire in 2024, and Bayern Munich wants to get some benefits from him to sell them to Manchester United.
Thomas Müller is a very creative and possessive attacker as well as a midfielder who would make some good passes or make some creative chances, despite the fact that Manchester United needs this type of player who contributes all of his best performances.

What did you guys think? Would it be good for Manchester United or not?
Source

After what happened to other stars at United, Muller should think 100 times before agreeing to such a move  Grin
It would be legendary for Müller to end his career in Bayern at the club where he started and spent his entire career. As a last resort, he could go to Saudi Arabia; going to United means a high probability of ending his career in an unpleasant way in an atmosphere of scandals and a collapsing club.
For United, this is also a strange transfer - another temporary option, another straw that the head coach is trying to grab onto.
1546  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2023/24 on: November 23, 2023, 08:12:37 AM
The fact that Sociedad is the favorite is obvious simply from the fact that Sociedad have almost twice as many points and they are playing at home. In such a situation, Sociedad's win quote of 1.75 looks like a gift. Of course, as always, the bookmakers have more information, but I see no reason why Sevilla should have such high odds of a double chance in this game.
Maybe Sevilla's series of draws has made their double chances also increase, so maybe that's why Sevilla are quite the favorites if there is a draw again. But I think that will definitely not happen again and the series of draws will definitely end with Real Sociedad winning later. I'm not taking Sevilla lightly, it's just that they can't do much with their progress so far. They will not give any surprises other than defeat and it is quite difficult for them to be able to show positive results through this match. So at least there will be a narrow win in this match with a score of 2-1 or more than that.

In the last 10 games, Sevilla has 3 defeats and one victory (and against a no-name club in the Spanish Cup). From a double chance perspective, the stats for Sevilla may not be bad, but in fact we see how consistently weak this team is. Yes, most likely Sociedad will win with a minimal advantage, but I would not be surprised if it wins with a big one - in the end, the fluctuation could work out in a bad way for Sevilla.
1547  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Have you ever been a gambling addict? on: November 23, 2023, 08:04:02 AM
Probably. The question is what is considered an addiction. Some consider it an addiction when the negative consequences of this addiction have already manifested themselves and things are very bad. My assessment is more severe and when I notice that my brain is very absorbed in thinking about gambling, then I understand that the addiction is manifesting itself (even if I do not place bets). If I place bets and notice this, then I take a break from gambling until I begin to be almost indifferent to it again. Thanks to such caution, I never found myself in unpleasant situations that addicted people often find themselves in.
You have control over gambling that's why you can take a break from gambling and then gamble with a right decision but those who are addicted to gambling cannot take a break and gamble even if they want to. A gambling addict's brain may regulate gambling. Drug Addict When a person becomes crazy because he can't take drugs and his brain doesn't work like a gambler when he is addicted to gambling his brain doesn't work like a normal person because of what he decided or did at that time. He himself does not know. Just like you take breaks from gambling, I also decide to gamble only when my brain is fresh and when my brain is cold. When I feel that a bet or decision to gamble now may go against me, I take a break and decide to gamble again with a better mind set-up.

Probably people do not immediately become completely addicted, so to speak, “on the first try,” so even if a gambler has reached such a state that his brain does not work, then “winding back time” you can come to the moment when signs of addiction were already there and the brain was working, but the gambler did not take any measures to prevent the habit from developing into a pathological form, right?
Therefore, I think that even if a gambler is already in a state where he cannot control himself and take a break, this is still his fault and area of responsibility.
1548  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Saudi Professional League 2023/2024 on: November 23, 2023, 07:58:01 AM
Showmatch named after two players  Grin The game, of course, will not have any sporting significance, but based on the venue, I can assume that the sheikhs want to see the results of their investments and the triumph of Saudi football, to begin with, at this level. I hope for a big victory for Al Nasr, maybe this will be another argument for them to move towards the European Champions League.
But what is certain is that this match will really be in the spotlight or become the center of attention for all football fans. And yes it would really succeed in bringing everyone's attention back to Arab football. Even I'm not talking about anyone else. But I also feel that I shouldn't miss watching the match. In essence, they have been successful when talking about business and attracting interest or promotion in the world. In fact, this match was also the answer to all the longings of Messi and CR7 fans who always wanted the two of them to meet on the field.

As long as Ronaldo and Messi play in national teams and in real national championships (and not in friendlies), these games will matter more in their correspondence dispute than even such friendly games where they meet on the field. But it is quite natural that this game will attract a lot of attention due to the confrontation between personal brands.
1549  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: When does the moment come when the gambler loses control? on: November 22, 2023, 07:21:18 PM
There is an opinion that the greatest dependence on gambling is formed at the moment of a big win. The player understands that money can be earned LIKE THIS. This is a fairly common opinion.

But I believe that the greatest dependence on gambling appears at the moment of loss, when the player admits in his head the idea that he could earn so much. He is disappointed, but wants to recoup. It is at this moment that the desire comes to play again and again in order to return to the previous state.

What do you think about it?

I think this happens when you were close to winning but didn't achieve it, for example when the last outcome in a multi-bet ruins it. This is a purely biological mechanism that forces you to try more, since the times when people hunted, the brain has become accustomed to giving strength for the last push (if the prey is close) so that a person achieves success. But now this is a trap that depletes gambling addicts.
1550  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Have you ever been a gambling addict? on: November 22, 2023, 07:15:43 PM
Probably. The question is what is considered an addiction. Some consider it an addiction when the negative consequences of this addiction have already manifested themselves and things are very bad. My assessment is more severe and when I notice that my brain is very absorbed in thinking about gambling, then I understand that the addiction is manifesting itself (even if I do not place bets). If I place bets and notice this, then I take a break from gambling until I begin to be almost indifferent to it again. Thanks to such caution, I never found myself in unpleasant situations that addicted people often find themselves in.
1551  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Saudi Professional League 2023/2024 on: November 22, 2023, 07:08:34 PM
The good news is that we will see Ronaldo and Messi meet again in a friendly match and it will be scheduled in February.

How not these star players will meet in one field with different clubs not in European matches anymore but Al Nassr vs Inter Miami which will be held in Riyadh as a season cup.

Obviously this is really interesting and seeing the ability of both of them again, statistically of course Al Nassr is superior to Inter Miami, it's interesting to wait.

Source: https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1727001326918504869

Showmatch named after two players  Grin The game, of course, will not have any sporting significance, but based on the venue, I can assume that the sheikhs want to see the results of their investments and the triumph of Saudi football, to begin with, at this level. I hope for a big victory for Al Nasr, maybe this will be another argument for them to move towards the European Champions League.
1552  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2023/24 on: November 22, 2023, 07:00:55 PM
It is clear that Real Sociedad is still the favorite against Sevilla because Real Sociedad has been able to surprise since last season and Sevilla is still with the same results and has not shown significant improvement. Apart from that, in the last 5 matches Sevilla got a draw for all of them and that made them only collect 5 points, it is very regrettable in total they could have achieved 15 points if they had swept clean with a win. Even though it will be quite difficult for Sevilla because they often play with draws, I don't think Real Sociedad needs to worry because they have a sharp attack line, especially as Takefusa Kubo is still consistent up to now and can be the deciding factor for the team's victory.

The fact that Sociedad is the favorite is obvious simply from the fact that Sociedad have almost twice as many points and they are playing at home. In such a situation, Sociedad's win quote of 1.75 looks like a gift. Of course, as always, the bookmakers have more information, but I see no reason why Sevilla should have such high odds of a double chance in this game.
1553  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: November 22, 2023, 04:45:50 PM
It seems to me on the contrary, Chelsea’s streak of success should end even despite the injuries to Newcastle players. Although, if we think differently: Chelsea is still in 10th place and this is clearly not where this club should be. But I still think that a double chance bet on Newcastle will be good. As for the City - Liverpool game, unfortunately, international games make this meeting very inconvenient for Liverpool - the players must return from the national teams and then go to Manchester. I don't think City will lose.

The Newcastle team is very strong this season as well. However, their performance is somewhat erratic. On the other hand, Chelsea has been performing very poorly since the beginning of the season. But Chelsea's performance in the last few matches has really impressed me. We have to admit that their performance has improved. Chelsea's front-line players in particular are able to perform very well.

Chelsea have scored 8 goals in the last two matches. But the important thing is that they scored these 8 goals against strong teams like Tottenham and Manchester City. If the Chelsea players can maintain the consistency of this performance, then I say Chelsea will win against Newcastle. Newcastle's defence is strong I know. But the Chelsea players are in a very good rhythm now. I believe they will be able to break Newcastle's defence.

Newcastle are not nearly as strong as they were last year. Due to injuries and a gambling scandal. Chelsea were good against Tottenham and City, but I draw the opposite conclusion from this: they are not a team that can be consistently good against good teams. Therefore, after good games, they should have a less successful one, and here I expect Newcastle to win.
1554  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ UEFA Euro 2024 in Germany ⚽ - Qualifiers on: November 22, 2023, 04:38:31 PM
UEFA has come up with an unusual grouping system that could lead to a "group of death" scenario at Euro 2024. Following last night's matches, the Union of European Football Associations (UEFA) identified the 21 teams that have secured spots in Euro 2024, including the host team Germany and the top two teams from each of the 10 groups (making a total of 20 teams). The remaining three spots will be determined through the UEFA Nations League.

What's noteworthy is that UEFA didn't seed the teams based on FIFA rankings or their performance in previous Euro finals. Instead, they introduced a peculiar seeding rule, considering teams' performances in the Euro 2024 qualifiers to determine the seedings.

This led to the reigning Euro 2020 champions Italy being pushed down to the fourth seed group because of a lackluster performance in the qualifiers. Other formidable teams in Europe, such as Croatia and the Netherlands, find themselves in the third seed group. Conversely, underdog teams like Albania have been elevated to the second seed group.

The Euro 2024 seeding groups are as follows:

Group 1: Germany, Portugal, France, Spain, Belgium, England

Group 2: Hungary, Turkey, Romania, Denmark, Albania, Austria

Group 3: Netherlands, Scotland, Croatia, Slovenia, Slovakia, Czech Republic

Group 4: Italy, Serbia, Switzerland, three playoff winners from the Nations League

With this seeding outcome, Euro 2024 might witness some challenging groups, with potentially intense matchups between England, Denmark, the Netherlands, and Italy. Similarly, formidable opponents like Croatia (Group 3), Switzerland, and Serbia (Group 4) could pose challenges to other strong European teams.

Well, in fact, this is a completely logical system and in fact it works 100%. Look at group 1 and name at least one that is not a top team? Everyone was great and came through the tournament very strongly. The fact that Italy, Croatia or the Netherlands ended up so low is their fault and a simple statement of facts: they played poorly and got the result they deserved (Italy actually seems to have qualified thanks to the blindness of the referees).
I wonder why the lists of those who qualified for the losers tournament have not yet been published?
1555  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Would You Crowdfund for a Gambler Who Has Gambled Irresponsibly? on: November 22, 2023, 04:27:59 PM
Stupid choices. The people themselves made a bad decision, so why should we collectively support and endorse such kind of behavior? The important project as you said is a basic need or necessity, and if someone loses money from gambling instead of preserving the funds for that purpose, then surely it is foolish behavior.

It is not a matter of empathy, but if someone donates to such kind of people, they would rather feel safe and still neglect their responsibility. They would simply think that if they all lost the money, they still get the community back up funds. Which is absurd. Nevertheless, it is a whole completely different problem, if the person itself is heavily addicted so their psychology is affected.

Yes, such “help” only breeds scammers and dependents. I have seen several videos on YouTube about people living in tents on the street in California and Los Angeles. They do nothing but use drugs and live like vegetables. They don’t have to try because local municipalities spend 60 thousand dollars a year on them (lol more than some workers earn by honest labor). They are not disabled, they could work, but since there is an opportunity, they chose a parasitic lifestyle.
1556  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2023/24 Season on: November 22, 2023, 04:17:47 PM
Initial predictions in group A are about Bayern Munich, Manchester United, Galatasaray and also Copenhagen. But in reality, these predictions did not work well because yes, only Bayern Munich continued to succeed according to expectations and predictions but about Manchester United it was like a mistake. But in reality, at this moment Copenhagen is in second place with 4 points and then Galatasaray with 4 points too, at the bottom of the standings is Manchester United with 3 points. With the points achieved and the points gap being this close, it looks like they can still compete to finish as runners up. It will be interesting to look forward to, and maybe Manchester United will manage to recover, who knows.

Yes, they have chances, but their main problem is that in order to be guaranteed to get into the 1/8 they have to win both remaining games. Lagging behind two teams by one point, even taking into account the fact that on paper these teams are weaker, United is in a dependent position because in the last round one of these teams can win (in the Copenhagen - Galatasaray game this is very likely) and send United to Europa League. And as we know, even an unmotivated Bayern is difficult to beat, so United’s chances are slim.
1557  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: French Soccer League Predictions and Discussion Thread (Ligue 1) on: November 22, 2023, 04:10:41 PM
PSG vs Monaco game is coming up... Interestingly, bookmakers give a low odds of 1.5 for PSG to win... Although Monaco are now in third place in the standings, if they win, they will have the same number of points as PSG... I think it will be a difficult match for PSG...

If the standings reflected the strength of the teams, then PSG would be in first place, then about 6-7 places would be empty and only then would there be Nice and Monaco.
As for the coefficient, I am not surprised and consider it profitable - in fact, Monaco has only 2 days to collect the players after the international games and go to Paris. They are in a very awkward position.
1558  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: FIFA World Cup 2026 :Canada/Mexico/United States: Discussion Thread on: November 22, 2023, 04:01:38 PM
I don’t remember exactly, but throughout history, one of this pair failed to qualify for the World Cup final once (I think Argentina, but I could be wrong). There is always a ticket for these two teams because the level of the other opponents is low and even if someone has a strong team (like sometimes Uruguay/Paraguay) there will still be enough tickets for everyone. But the game has another equally important background - it is important for Brazil to show that South America still “belongs” to them despite the achievements of Argentina in recent years.

I know and I am certainly one of those guys who thinks that it is impossible for Brazil or Argentina to not qualify. Now there is no need to talk about Argentina as they are fine with their 15 points, but this situation could be out of control for Brazil very soon. Everyone thinks it is no issue because there are so many more games to go, but out of a sudden Brazil plays against Chile or Bolivia and what was supposed to be an easy game for them with a couple of beautiful goals in now a game that feels like a game in the knockout rounds. They shouldn't take this lightly anymore, it's getting complicated now.

Well, if we assume that Brazil cannot beat Chile and Bolivia, then they probably do not deserve a place in the final part of the World Cup and there is no tragedy here. But there are really still many games ahead - 12 and Brazil has a huge number of opportunities to both improve its position and simply maintain its 6th place, which gives a direct ticket to the World Cup.
In general, this is a rather funny competition: 10 participants, 6 of whom receive a direct ticket and another one gets into the play-offs, that is, out of 10 participants, 7 teams can get to the World Cup at once. Incredibly difficult tournament!  Grin
1559  Local / Юристы / Re: Отслеживание через блокчейн в суде on: November 22, 2023, 03:50:46 PM
И как бы что тут удивительного если разговор идет про фиат?

В смысле, про фиат? Там же, насколько я понимаю, выведены были именно криптовалюты на биржу, и любопытно в этом то, что пусть и достаточно очевидные транзакции, но были отслежены и трансгранично было решено, что средства должны быть отправлены в Казахстан до решения суда. В чём они потом переводились в Казахстан, не знаю, но это пока что вторично. Любопытно, как в принципе будут подобные вопросы решаться. Smiley

Ну в прямом смысле:

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схемы включают не только перекачивание средств в офшоры, но и вывод их за пределы страны посредством приобретения криптовалюты.

Видите, речь идет о выводе средств за пределы страны и под средствами тут явно подразумеваются тенге. Если бы на территории Казахстана за крипту покупалось/продавалось что-то такое же виртуальное (хоть аккаунты/золото в компьютерных играх) то и дело бы до этого никому не было. А тут вся схема основана ради вывода средств, что естетсвенно регуляторов не устраивает.

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Сегодня СМИ отслеживают названные судебные процессы. Пишут о линии защиты подсудимых: серверы обменных пунктов находятся на территории других государств, криптовалюта хранится тоже за пределами РК, но за операции с тенге дома подсудимые налоги платят. В чем незаконность действий?

Из разъяснений Битанова следовало: в работе на нелегальных площадках.

Опять фиат. И даже тот фиат за который налоги платят, но индульгенцию это на остальные действия не дает, так как где фиат там и обширное регулирование.
1560  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: FIFA World Cup 2026 :Canada/Mexico/United States: Discussion Thread on: November 21, 2023, 09:14:12 PM
I know that everybody still doesn't fear that Brazil could get into trouble in this qualification, but when you look at what they have achieved so far in the group, we are talking about a win rate of 40% with 2 wins, 1 draw and 2 losses. This game against Argentina will obviously be very hard for them and Argentina doesn't want to lose it either and instead reclaim their supremacy in South America. A win against Brazil would underscore that. But then Brazil would have 3 losses already and could drop further in the table.

I don’t remember exactly, but throughout history, one of this pair failed to qualify for the World Cup final once (I think Argentina, but I could be wrong). There is always a ticket for these two teams because the level of the other opponents is low and even if someone has a strong team (like sometimes Uruguay/Paraguay) there will still be enough tickets for everyone. But the game has another equally important background - it is important for Brazil to show that South America still “belongs” to them despite the achievements of Argentina in recent years.
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