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1941  Local / Трейдеры / Re: доллар соскамят on: November 01, 2023, 09:36:38 PM
Думаю Тетчэр имела ввиду лишь то, что нехрен охуевать и противопоставлять государство и налогоплательщиков так как в нормальных странах государство это и есть налогоплательщики/инструмент который представляет их интересы

Тетчер продвигала экономическую политику, ставшую впоследствии известной как "тетчеризм", и в рамках этой политики понимание приведенной цитаты однозначно и не представляет никакой сложности

И это точно не "государство и есть налогоплательщики"
~

Я так понимаю вы на совковые штампы опираетесь в своих голословных (надеюсь пока что) утверждениях?  Roll Eyes
Даже в вики термин "тэтчеризм" подтверждает именно мою точку зрения, если у вас есть какие-то иные интерпретации или у вас свое мнение насчет этого термина, то с удовольствием ознакомлюсь.
1942  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: November 01, 2023, 09:30:13 PM
                            Manchester United Vs Newcastle United

The game is currently 2-0 in favour of Newcastle United, as almiron put a beautiful goal against United. Though I believe the goal was a defensive error from United defence, as almiron took on Dallot on the run move towards the 18 yard box, before onana could rush towards almiron, he had to use his left foot to flip the ball pass onana.
The second goal as well, is a defensive error, This first half is devastating for united.

It seems that United started the match actively, but Newcastle have a coach, so they played smart and the result is as they say on the scoreboard. It’s unlikely that anything will change in the second half, so the only thing I’m looking forward to is listening to Ten Hag’s next excuses. By the way, before the game he said something about “last chance” and the like, trying to cheer up the team  Grin
1943  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Football Transfers Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: November 01, 2023, 08:47:12 PM
While I do agree that Vini will want to stay there, I also think that him being outspoken about la liga racism is another reason for him to maybe leave. Not that racism doesn't exist anywhere else, of course it has been noted that it happened in other nations too, but only in la liga it has been ignored, if you do anything racist in premier league as a fan, they will ban you for life, if you do that in bundesliga the same, it has happened before and people were banned.

In la liga though, teams have done very disgraceful stuff and la liga ignored it so far, and Vini has been outspoken about it, so people are aware how much he hates it and they do it more than other black players, this means that over course of some more time, Vini may face a lot more racism, and la liga may keep on ignoring, and he may leave because of it.

On the one hand, Vinny is right and maybe La Liga needs to be tougher with aggressive fans who make racist chants in stadiums (what are the damn stewards doing? Why don’t they identify these people?). But on the other hand, it seems to me that he needs to understand certain facts: if they want to insult you (fans of another team want this), then they will cling to anything and racism has nothing to do with it at all. If he was a believer, he could be insulted on religious topics, if he was gay, then on sexual topics, etc. Paradoxically, racist slurs do not indicate racism.
1944  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2023/24 Season on: November 01, 2023, 08:38:27 PM
In terms of scoring chances, the game with Dortmund was not as bad as the result. This time the random was on the side of Dortmund, but it is not a fact that it will be on the side of Dortmund in Dortmund. I think in the next round PSG will defeat Milan and, one might say, guarantees (at least dramatically increases the chances) a place in the 1/8. Thus, in the last game of the group stage for Newcastle, they will have to beat demotivated Milan at home. And take at least 3 points in one of the away games - against Dortmund or PSG. This is quite real.

When it comes to PSG to defeat Milan away I can't be much confident about that despite the look of the points in the group now. Because there are some pieces of the puzzle to piece together. One of them is that Milan were really effective against Newcastle in San Siro. They were in full control but couldn't finish any of their chances with a goal.

But maybe their luck can turn against PSG if they show a similar performance again. The other piece is that PSG lost hard to Newcastle away as I said before. PSG were really desperate against a team playing home really strongly.

If Milan also play as solid as Newcastle home then PSG might have big difficulties once again. They are already not a very consistent team. But this is only my thinking for this matchup so we will see.

Theoretically, it may even be that Milan will win the remaining three games and are guaranteed to advance to the 1/8, but practically for the upcoming match the bookmakers give the following quotes:

3.05 - 3.45 - 2.34

And I am inclined to agree with them. PSG failed once against Newcastle, but they beat Dortmund comfortably and destroyed Milan at home. I don’t remember any success for Milan this season at all (not against small clubs), they can’t even score goals. There is always room for fluctuations, but even here I think PSG will win.
1945  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: November 01, 2023, 08:29:22 PM
United's weakest line is Ten Hag himself  Grin He bought 1.5 squads at his own request (and it is suspected that there was a certain amount of corruption/conflict of interest there) and justifying the terrible results by the fact that they didn’t buy someone for him are just excuses. Each coach works with what he has - there are always unexpected injuries, transfers (sometimes to prison haha) but the team does not consist of 11 people and not from one scheme. A qualified coach constantly adapts to circumstances. Under Ten Hag's leadership, the players are deteriorating and the club has a toxic atmosphere.
I have to be agreed with you about this all as well because we have too many transfers which are not helping but having huge amounts and Ajax is also suffering due to this as well which is another story but currently this all is hurting badly to Manchester United and their fans which are suffering and having not positive real time chances for the improvement in their game Ten Hag is currently controversial person in this all because his leadership is also under threat with the things which he is doing and having no positive results in long run.

Hopefully we will have all things out in coming months with for me most chances if we have no change in Manchester United performance then he can lose his job as well because he is not capable of bringing changes and positive results even after having all players of his own request.

I don’t know how close Ten Hag is to being fired (but I hope that he is close), but those who know something and are ready to answer for their knowledge with money (bookmakers) accept bets on this event with odds of 9 to 1. Unfortunately, this means that for now it is not a very likely event. There may be an additional factor in Ten Hag's favor in that if United decide to sack him they will have to pay him 15 million in compensation.
1946  Local / Трейдеры / Re: доллар соскамят on: November 01, 2023, 08:20:49 PM
~Это есть те «государственные деньги», о существовании которых не подозревала М. Тэтчер.~

Думаю Тетчэр имела ввиду лишь то, что нехрен охуевать и противопоставлять государство и налогоплательщиков так как в нормальных странах государство это и есть налогоплательщики/инструмент который представляет их интересы.
Но в папуасиях всё иначе естесвенно, сам понятийный аппарат другой.

В случае, если она говорила о природе денег вообще.
   Ну тут даже смешно это обсуждать. То, что эмиссией денег занимаются центробанки и их аналоги = э то настолько общеизвестный факт, что обычно никто не требует его доказательств.  Налогопательщики к созданию денег не имеют ни малейшего отношения. Для того, чтобы заплатить налои деньгами, эти деньги предварительно должен кто-то создать. Их создают центробанки. У налогоплательщиков нет волшебного печатного станка. Но это распространённое когнитивное заблуждение — путать эмиссию денег с процессом сбора налогов.

Самое смешное в том, что вы ошибаетесь. Читаем про такую вещь как вексель. Даже в  рфии (не знаю как сейчас когда уже изнасиловали все законы), в свободные времена вексельное право было на уровне, что кстати порождало довольно интересные дискуссии на форумах на тему "частные деньги vs государственные" еще до битка.
1947  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2023/24 on: November 01, 2023, 08:05:24 PM
I think there is a big opportunity to bet on Atletico Madrid for the new game week. In two days they are going to be playing against Las Palmas away. Interestingly their odds are around 1.60. I wouldn't have expected them to have odds more than like 1.40 or maybe 1.45. When I checked the information about injuries and suspensions I didn't see anything different than the last game.

I believe Atletico Madrid would continue on their way with another win. Las Palmas are having a hard time against big teams. Besides Atletico Madrid have always been winning against them no matter home or away.

Yes, these odds look quite generous considering that Atlético is on par with Real Madrid and Girona. I think the point is that this is an away game, plus Las Palmas is extremely strong in defense = they conceded only 10 goals (they are third in the league by this indicator). Maybe the bookmakers think that this game is more likely to end with a score of 0-0 than a victory for Atlético.
1948  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Ballon d'Or discussion and odds on: November 01, 2023, 07:54:44 PM
All these are words, but in fact Messi without Barcelona is an ordinary average player.
Messi without Barcelona did not exist so we cannot make any assumption on what he was or would have been. The closest we can use is his National team and Messi without Barcelona in this situation is a,
- World Cup winner,
- Copa America winner,
- Olympic gold medalist,
- 2× World cup Golden ball,
- Two times world cup finalist.

A very fine record if you ask me.

If you watch football, then you must have heard about Iniesta, Xavi and others who were consistently better than Messi (and achieved the greatest achievements without him, while he failed without them) but did not win a single Ballon d'Or.
On what criteria are they better than Messi?
And what greatest achievement are you talking about, world cup? Yeah, he has achieved that.

- Jay -

Friend, did you spend some time in prison without the Internet? What you wrote looks like a malicious mockery of Messi’s “achievements.” Here are some small facts (which I’m already tired of writing about): in the period 2008-2012, Xavi and Iniesta won at the club level everything that Messi won + the World Cup + 2 European Championships. At this time, Messi completely failed without them at the 2010 World Cup and was an ordinary player at the 2011 Copa America. But during this period, Messi received 4 Ballon d'Ors, and Xavi and Iniesta zero  Grin

Messi as a brand is a PR product, but as a person he is simply a thief, as an athlete he is good, but far from the top.
1949  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Sportsbet.io ⚽ Bundesliga ⚽ Football Pool Discussion Thread 2023/2024 on: November 01, 2023, 07:49:28 PM
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example: player a and player b both reach 14 points. player a has 3 correct results and player b only 2, then player a is the winner.

Great news! Thank you! By the way, I think it will be quite difficult to get into the top 5 since it coincided, but in this round almost all the pairs are very even and the result will be as random as possible. The only bets that look reliable are Leipzig and Bayer, but even here there is a catch since these are away games, plus will Bayer really remain unbeaten for that long?
1950  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Sportsbet.io ⚽ Bundesliga ⚽ Football Pool Discussion Thread 2023/2024 on: October 31, 2023, 09:18:10 PM
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efialtis has even forgotten to give the picks for one game...
on the first three places all three participants have the same score
the overviews will follow soon...
~

He scares me. He has already earned three yellow caps and if he had not forgotten to make predictions, he would already be in first place  Shocked How can you make two predictions on a 2-2 score and get 7 points? I have no words. If he doesn’t change his averages, then in about 3-4 rounds he will be at the top. I would like to know how one can predict such a random league so confidently.
1951  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Ballon d'Or discussion and odds on: October 31, 2023, 08:58:48 PM
In general, it’s sad that Messi could have gone down in history as a great athlete even from “one team,” (far from the best, but at the level of Thomas Müller, Totti, etc.) but he went down as a great thief.
This is quite the take on arguably one of the greatest players that football has ever witnessed. Putting Messi at the level of Totti and Muller clearly shows that you do not watch the sport at all or you support a rival club/player which makes you blind to what goes on in it.

I am not even a fanboy, I just watch football neutrally and call what I see. It is debatable whether Messi won this Balon D'or just as the one that Modric one and some Ronaldo won as well. That is football, fans have their opinions and can go extreme with it, but saying he "could" have gone does as a great athlete... is ridiculous.

- Jay -

All these are words, but in fact Messi without Barcelona is an ordinary average player. If you watch football, then you must have heard about Iniesta, Xavi and others who were consistently better than Messi (and achieved the greatest achievements without him, while he failed without them) but did not win a single Ballon d'Or.
And yes, one thing most bright is always memorable, Messi was good, but one of the brightest “threads” in his career was being a favorite of football officials (you understand what kind of scum these are, you follow football, hehe?) and a thief.
1952  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2023/24 on: October 31, 2023, 08:48:49 PM
On the other hand, we can argue that if Real had a top striker, Real would have won 4-1. What's the point of talking about what could have been, while Bellingham is already in Real Madrid and doing his job? Barcelona's players could also do their job.
Bellingham is in great form as a striker at Real Madrid. Bellingham's contract with Real Madrid has introduced the English star as a midfielder but the midfielder has become Real Madrid's top goal scorer. Bellingham has been scoring in almost every match and his goals have led Real Madrid to victory. In the last El Clasico match we saw Real Madrid score two goals against Barcelona and both of those goals came from Bellingham.  

It's not fair to say that Real Madrid would have scored more goals if they had another striker because whenever Real Madrid has a main striker, Bellingham might be repositioned and if he is repositioned he won't score as much as he did this time.  .

But suppose that if Real Madrid had a top striker like Mbappe, Haaland, Osimhen, etc. then they would be even more dangerous in attack, quite logically, right? The fact that Bellingham would occupy a different position does not mean that he would score less, it all depends on the scheme of the game, if the 9 plays under the 10, which distracts the entire defense, then it often happens that the 9 scores more, but of course in this case, the 9 is also a striker, although formally it can also be a midfielder.
1953  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: October 31, 2023, 07:08:30 PM
This season, Manchester United still needs balance in their squad so they can make improvements to the team's strength, because there are several lines in the Manchester United team that are still not strong enough and are even quite weak, so that is what Erik Ten Hag must be able to fix now. Because if improvements to the balance of power in each line cannot be fixed by Erik Ten Hag, of course this will mean he won't last long in the Manchester United team, because the team management itself has also seen how unsatisfactory performances are still occurring at Manchester United this season.

United's weakest line is Ten Hag himself  Grin He bought 1.5 squads at his own request (and it is suspected that there was a certain amount of corruption/conflict of interest there) and justifying the terrible results by the fact that they didn’t buy someone for him are just excuses. Each coach works with what he has - there are always unexpected injuries, transfers (sometimes to prison haha) but the team does not consist of 11 people and not from one scheme. A qualified coach constantly adapts to circumstances. Under Ten Hag's leadership, the players are deteriorating and the club has a toxic atmosphere.
1954  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2023/24 Season on: October 31, 2023, 06:58:56 PM
After seeing Newcastle struggle against Dortmund that much I also think they will have a hard time reaching next round in the Champions League. They had this difficulty even in their home stadium I mean. I'm not sure if they have learned their lesson to retaliate Dortmund in Germany next time. They had better do so if they want to see later rounds.

I feel like Newcastle can get at least one point against PSG (maybe) and Milan if we don't see a big change in those teams. Newcastle demolished PSG as you can remember and resisted Milan in San Siro really great.

PSG are much stronger in home matches though so that's why there is a maybe there.

In terms of scoring chances, the game with Dortmund was not as bad as the result. This time the random was on the side of Dortmund, but it is not a fact that it will be on the side of Dortmund in Dortmund. I think in the next round PSG will defeat Milan and, one might say, guarantees (at least dramatically increases the chances) a place in the 1/8. Thus, in the last game of the group stage for Newcastle, they will have to beat demotivated Milan at home. And take at least 3 points in one of the away games - against Dortmund or PSG. This is quite real.
1955  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Football Transfers Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: October 31, 2023, 06:52:09 PM
In fact, I don’t even know what the club’s management should do now. Chelsea is no longer fighting for the title, nor for the top 4, given that the gap from 4th place is 11 points and there are no random teams there (plus there are other contenders like Newcastle, Aston Villa and Brighton). Participation in the Europa League probably has the only potential benefit in the form (if won) of a direct ticket to the Champions League. Chelsea don't need the Conference League at all. I don’t even know what Chelsea can do in such a situation, maybe even just wait until the end of the season to make changes not urgently but as planned.

Chelsea is very far from what we saw from then in the past and they are not racing at the top of the Premier League anymore, in fact, I don't think if there is any chance for them to be on the first five teams at the end of the season considering results we saw from them so far. Mourinho can't help this team even if he can make changes like Pochettino did when he joined Chelsea and then this team will need some time to get in the good form and end in they will just spend some money on Mourinho.

Theoretically, Chelsea should gain a slight advantage in the middle and end of the season with most of the teams at the top of the table fighting on two fronts, but in what form will this advantage be obtained? There may be 5-7 “extra” points that will be scored in personal meetings. But this will definitely not give the opportunity to enter the top 4. And as I wrote before, there is no big difference between 6th place or 12th, the season will still be rated as a failure. I’m even interested in what goals the Chelsea management will voice as desirable (I mean something real, and not repeat the City’s treble).
1956  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Tyson Fury vs Francis Ngannou Boxing October 28 on: October 31, 2023, 06:42:00 PM
~
After the Fury = Ngannou fight, Usyk showed confidence that he could beat Fury I've seen both their interview and Usyk wants the December 23 match to happen whereas Fury's promoter wants it next year, obviously to recuperate from Fury's embarrassment.

What embarrassment?  Grin This is a deliberate strategy that the coward Fury followed to avoid a rematch with Klitschko, and then trying to avoid a fight with Usyk. Apparently the fight with Ngannou brought Fury back to earth (to the canvas haha) and he realized that a fight with Usik would be too risky. Now I again think that we will not see this fight because Fury will avoid it in all possible ways.
1957  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Are You Tax Efficient With Your Gambling Habbits? on: October 31, 2023, 05:31:26 PM
I never thought about paying taxes on gambling. The main reason is probably that I live in a garbage country and there is no point in paying taxes here at all, but even if I were in a civilized country, I would hardly pay taxes on gambling. The essence of the deal is unclear to me (for me, paying taxes is a deal) - what do I get in return from the state? If I owned a casino, I would have no questions, but why I should pay taxes, given that the casino pays for all government services with its taxes, is not clear to me.

Typically, it's businesses that are responsible for paying taxes, not the gamblers themselves. However, there are certain laws in place that can appear quite unreasonable. It's rare to encounter a situation where a gambler is required to pay taxes, which may imply that the gambler is consistently winning and potentially impacting the casino's finances. Nevertheless, we are obligated to follow the law, even if it seems unfair. In the end, dealing with the consequences is the only option, as it's not advisable to go against the government.

As you can see, in the first post it is written that in some countries it is the player who is required to pay taxes and for this he needs to keep records of wins/losses and all turnover. This is complete nonsense because I don’t have a personal accountant who would take care of the thousands of bets that I make, for example, in dice.
And by the way, I don’t have to obey the law, what kind of stupidity is that? In reality, if a person follows the law, he will be the most shameful scoundrel at the animal level. You apparently live in a civilized country and think that the whole world is as good as yours, but in reality, in 90% of countries, the law is just a means to oppress citizens.
1958  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Greed or risk on: October 31, 2023, 05:25:57 PM
Greed will always come to you, whatever the results you receive from gambling. If you win, greed will become even greater. And if you lose, greed will also tell you to play one more round, and if you still lose, greed will keep telling you to try again and again. ~

I think this algorithm of emotions works if a person has an addiction (of varying degrees), because if you take simple human instincts/logic, then if you win something, then you need to take it and run away. If you lose, all the more you need to run away because losses are harmful and a person always wants to avoid losses. That is why the main efforts of the casino are aimed at ensuring that players remain in the game for as long as possible because this will cause them to become addicted.
1959  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Ballon d'Or discussion and odds on: October 31, 2023, 05:20:25 PM
You pretend that you don’t understand the problem - the one who is recognized as the best should show not just “average” results in the farm league, but something truly amazing, as Haaland did. Messi was knocked out of the Champions League in the 1/8 finals two times in a row without scoring or assisting. The fact that he will receive another stolen Ballon d'Or is only evidence of ongoing corruption.
Exactly, as the best in the world you need to show more than an average performance which Haaland did, he won the champions league, premier league, FA cup as well and was the highest goal scorer in the premier league, he scored nearly 50 goals and they say it’s not enough, so ridiculous Grin. Most people who think like @temple here are just blind messi fans who just don’t want to admit the fact that this is pure robbery, Haaland was robbed this year and even messi himself admitted Haaland deserved it. Messi did nothing spectacular this year he only won the world cup and why didn’t players who won the world cup back in the years messi won Ballon D’or win the Award? The france Award is corrupt and it is not awarded based on merit anymore because this is an obvious robbery and i can never take the Ballon d’or award seriously anymore.

Messi went to PSG and failed to show impact and ran to the MLS and still couldn’t show any real impact in the MLS league, his team have been suffering back to back losses and are about to be relegated and they still went on to gift him the award, it’s so funny.

Hahaha, you just don’t understand: according to the logic of the fanboys, if a team wins, then it’s Messi’s merit, but if it loses, then it’s the team’s problem, Messi has nothing to do with it  Grin
Everything else works exactly the same - if Messi failed at the World Cup, then it is not important, if he failed everywhere except the World Cup, then the World Cup is important.

In general, it’s sad that Messi could have gone down in history as a great athlete even from “one team,” (far from the best, but at the level of Thomas Müller, Totti, etc.) but he went down as a great thief.
1960  Local / Разное / Re: Форум недоступен из России on: October 30, 2023, 03:43:23 PM
Относительно нестабильной работы Телеграма в связи с дагестанскими событиями ничего не слышал, впервые прочитал именно здесь на форуме.
Аналогично ничего такого с телеграммом не заметил.

От региона зависит. Я включаю ВПН и телега работает идеально. Без ВПН лежит. Очевидно что глушится скорее всего даже с помощью ресурсов самой телеги. Такой вот Пашка Дуров револьюсионер  Grin
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