hi utopianfuture, I saw about problem of the duplicate hash. I encountered the same. Before i manage to post mine, I saw my hash stolen by someone else. Thinking that there is no way for me to prove its mine, I have no choice but to send another. Now that I saw there is a way to prove that someone stole my hash, I would like to report this guy, so that the amount will be refunded back to me. The guy who stole my hash is: - AutoBahn45 - stolen hash: https://blockchain.info/tx/0b00691853688b3cb549eaf0225ab6f1793d03b1f27acb7c38a3b9912f8c7bec- post #1088, page 55, thread 1 registration Thanks! Give me a day to look at this issue; Thread 1 is still under auditing . |
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Hello folks, I was sent here for double hashing?I dont see what I have done wrong. I have checked the transaction identification again
and it looks the same to me.I did not copy someone elses hash.Honest!!!!! I am on page 22 .
duplicate hashes 403 tomahawkerson 8715291008747360972 434 nembit86 8715291008747360972 @nembit86 could you prove the ownership of that transaction by sending 1 NXT from that sending address to NEM address - do that and pm me the transaction id. |
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Another case of duplicate hashes
166 hukliberi 6aa8bb5a2debd4065401063b671f3b4759c15de4805b93198ac9b2cc33b5b32a
192 ajtan428 6aa8bb5a2debd4065401063b671f3b4759c15de4805b93198ac9b2cc33b5b32a
@ajtan428 could you prove the ownership of that transaction by sending very small amount of BTC from that sending address to NEM address - do that and pm me the hash of the transaction.
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Update: list is updated to the end of page 50. We are at 2380 accounts (including everything so the final total would drop a bit).
Two hash thefts are found in the last 10 pages. They are not going to give up so it is a constant fight until the fundraising is over. So if you have times, keep an eyes on new hashes or transaction ID in the registration thread. Make a quote when you see anything suspicious and I would check it when I look at the thread.
My goal is to have around 3000 stakeholders and about 50BTC+400K NXT (roughly 60-70K$). Theoretically we could run this until we close to launching the blockchain but I expect we could wrap it up within this month and be over with the distribution discussion.
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I am in.
Transaction id: 15061296704013530118
should be 600 nxt now. I check this id against 550 nxt batch and none matches but wrong amount. |
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Hey fellas, Ive been put down as a possible fraudster, I dont even know what a double hash is...me mates put me on to this at the work...I paid my nxt fair and square.................1867 was my number
Move to stake complaint thread. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=450200.0 |
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I invested at .01 BTC. There is no way in hell I'd invest at 0.06 BTC or whatever crazy prices people are currently buying in at.
I consider my investment as good as gone but who knows maybe they'll surprise everyone.
I agree, i bought in with 5 account = 50NXT. But the buy-in is near that of a major scam now, with little or no new evidence since launch. My entire thread highlights these points. Since we have 1 account/ 1 stake rule it is very kind of you to let us know you have 5 accounts because we going to return you 40 nxt and delete 4 other accounts. Those accounts are not going to revealed. Half of your IPO fundings is from puppet-accounts. You should be thanking people like me. Why don't you address some of these questions? We will be doing taint analyses after the fundraising  if you can mask your account transactions to avoid taint analyses then you can keep them but it will not be easy with NXT accounts though. |
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Hi there,
Sent 550Nxt from acct 5889003568532717570
with trans ID 8241468410754628053
Sorry for not being spec.
That's the cut-off post and we are moving to page 51 with the fee being raised by either 50NXT to 600 NXT or 0.005BTC to 0.06BTC. Thank you for supporting NEM. |
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I invested at .01 BTC. There is no way in hell I'd invest at 0.06 BTC or whatever crazy prices people are currently buying in at.
I consider my investment as good as gone but who knows maybe they'll surprise everyone.
I agree, i bought in with 5 account = 50NXT. But the buy-in is near that of a major scam now, with little or no new evidence since launch. My entire thread highlights these points. Since we have 1 account/ 1 stake rule it is very kind of you to let us know you have 5 accounts because we going to return you 40 nxt and delete 4 other accounts. |
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veteran poster labeling every new member "fraudster" need to cool it. I like NEM, i have asked my friends to join NEM, they paid for it with real money, how can we be sure NEM itself is not a scam? This tread is more than 40 pages long and half of it is filled with people complaining about other peoples stake. Nem wants to attract new people , why would a newbie join NEM if all you so called "veterans" label us newbies "fraudster". NEM has a very small chance of succeeding in this already flooded cryptomarket , we are all taking a punt and some have gambled more than others, that does not mean they are frauds. A lot of .04 or .05 btc will add up. If we truly want NEM to succeed, we need to be more welcoming. Someone can just start a new coin following the same initial distribution model ( future coin  ) then we are left with just another cheap crypto if even that. Veterans I don't mean to offend but rather than bickering lets welcome everyone( we need all the help we can get) and think of ways to make NEM a better coin. We need a market place where all NEM stake holders should initially put at least one tangible stuff for sale priced solely in NEM coin. If we can achieve that,we would have managed to outpace almost all these other crypto coins. It's not about the newbies - I'm one myself. It's about people that try to get more than 2 stakes. It's supposed to be even - everyone should get the same amount of NEM. I think i have to do a bit of hype containment here because it could be bad publicity to NEM that we say we do things we cannot back up. It is not my goal that everyone should get the same amount of NEM. Several main developers would likely to get more than 10 dev stakes so it is apparently contradictory to say we promote "everyone has the same stakes". NEM's main goal on distribution front is to spread NEM as widely and equally as possible and to build a huge user base from the start. that's what i mean when i wrote "NEM symbolizes a great sense of fairness and egalitarianism". To do that we have a couple of measures: 1. 1 account/ 1 stake rule 2. checking sending address aka counter sockpuppet measure 3. taint analyses to find big multi-accters The equal shares to all (account) is a nice by product slogan of rule 1 but don't confuse that with we try to distribute NEM to every single person equally. I am still proud of what we have in distribution front as it is unparalleled so far compared to other cryptos. If someone wants to build a more extreme version of equality coin, I would welcome that too. It is not the envy game we are playing here No envy - NEM goes forward. Please read my view above, especially the bold part. The NEM front page is the social contract I wrote when I decided to raise money for this project and asked for developers/ helpers and I am going to honor that social contract as long as this project stays viable. |
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I think that the only way is to:
1) Form a committee paid by dev fund (3-5 ppl) that will go through all stakes and identify possible sock puppets.
2) Ban Newbie accounts created after NEM annoucement unless they send an email to somewhere explaining who they are, where they heard about NEM and a short bio
3) Announce the end of the fundraising period soon
We already have pre-defined rules. No new rule will be applied retroactively. |
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P-O-W coin. No care. We are building proof-of-stake coin network. |
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veteran poster labeling every new member "fraudster" need to cool it. I like NEM, i have asked my friends to join NEM, they paid for it with real money, how can we be sure NEM itself is not a scam? This tread is more than 40 pages long and half of it is filled with people complaining about other peoples stake. Nem wants to attract new people , why would a newbie join NEM if all you so called "veterans" label us newbies "fraudster". NEM has a very small chance of succeeding in this already flooded cryptomarket , we are all taking a punt and some have gambled more than others, that does not mean they are frauds. A lot of .04 or .05 btc will add up. If we truly want NEM to succeed, we need to be more welcoming. Someone can just start a new coin following the same initial distribution model ( future coin ) then we are left with just another cheap crypto if even that. Veterans I don't mean to offend but rather than bickering lets welcome everyone( we need all the help we can get) and think of ways to make NEM a better coin. We need a market place where all NEM stake holders should initially put at least one tangible stuff for sale priced solely in NEM coin. If we can achieve that,we would have managed to outpace almost all these other crypto coins. It's not about the newbies - I'm one myself. It's about people that try to get more than 2 stakes. It's supposed to be even - everyone should get the same amount of NEM. I think i have to do a bit of hype containment here because it could be bad publicity to NEM that we say we do things we cannot back up. It is not my goal that everyone should get the same amount of NEM. Several main developers would likely to get more than 10 dev stakes so it is apparently contradictory to say we promote "everyone has the same stakes". NEM's main goal on distribution front is to spread NEM as widely and equally as possible and to build a huge user base from the start. that's what i mean when i wrote "NEM symbolizes a great sense of fairness and egalitarianism". To do that we have a couple of measures: 1. 1 account/ 1 stake rule 2. checking sending address aka counter sockpuppet measure 3. taint analyses to find big multi-accters The equal shares to all (account) is a nice by product slogan of rule 1 but don't confuse that with we try to distribute NEM to every single person equally. I am still proud of what we have in distribution front as it is unparalleled so far compared to other cryptos. If someone wants to build a more extreme version of equality coin, I would welcome that too. It is not the envy game we are playing here No envy - NEM goes forward. |
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Later taint analyses will be used to reduce further the amount of big NEM stake holders.
These are best efforts to spread NEM widely and evenly to a huge user base and it is already better than the best effort to date: counter-party protocol.
Well then plz consider my last to posts in you taint analysis as i think it's a big fish among the multiaccs. Take a note of these cases as we will use that in a public auditing after the fund raising is over. But I expect the auditing is the community's effort not mine - we can go as far as the community wants to go. After all the development fund belongs to NEM's community and to be used by the developers/ community to build the crypto we love. Well I'm willing to search that blockchain for hours. If we find a handfull other people that are willing to as well we should find most of the bigger multi accs. Kooream have been doing it for a few days. There are two others PM-ing me with solid cases as well. Everyone can do it given that the hashes, account names and the blockchain are public information. I would like to gather all the cases and make them public after the fundraising is over in a public auditing period. I would use mindmap to link wallet addresses/ account names together in visually attractive form (that's my suggestions) Alright do you need me to PM you those two cases again as well or only the ones I find from now on ? Let's make all public after the fund raising is over. The records are still there, aren't they. But I will only refund big multi- accounter >10 stakes. |
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veteran poster labeling every new member "fraudster" need to cool it. I like NEM, i have asked my friends to join NEM, they paid for it with real money, how can we be sure NEM itself is not a scam? This tread is more than 40 pages long and half of it is filled with people complaining about other peoples stake. Nem wants to attract new people , why would a newbie join NEM if all you so called "veterans" label us newbies "fraudster". NEM has a very small chance of succeeding in this already flooded cryptomarket , we are all taking a punt and some have gambled more than others, that does not mean they are frauds. A lot of .04 or .05 btc will add up. If we truly want NEM to succeed, we need to be more welcoming. Someone can just start a new coin following the same initial distribution model ( future coin ) then we are left with just another cheap crypto if even that. Veterans I don't mean to offend but rather than bickering lets welcome everyone( we need all the help we can get) and think of ways to make NEM a better coin. We need a market place where all NEM stake holders should initially put at least one tangible stuff for sale priced solely in NEM coin. If we can achieve that,we would have managed to outpace almost all these other crypto coins. Well I have a dream that NEM would be a huge unexpected success But to do that I'd like to see NEM having more than just a provincial appeal. Otherwise we would face the same problem NXT facing right now; a new thing comes up and new people move there because generally people don't want to work so that some rich guys become richer. That type of thing happens in the open-source culture and we also have that issue unless we can build a huge-and inclusive user base right from the start. It is still to be seen if this is the right strategy but as i see it it is only way to differentiate ourself socially. Technically we would be a super block-chain thanks to our developers, but we can't under-estimate the social aspect in this game. |
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Later taint analyses will be used to reduce further the amount of big NEM stake holders.
These are best efforts to spread NEM widely and evenly to a huge user base and it is already better than the best effort to date: counter-party protocol.
Well then plz consider my last to posts in you taint analysis as i think it's a big fish among the multiaccs. Take a note of these cases as we will use that in a public auditing after the fund raising is over. But I expect the auditing is the community's effort not mine - we can go as far as the community wants to go. After all the development fund belongs to NEM's community and to be used by the developers/ community to build the crypto we love. Well I'm willing to search that blockchain for hours. If we find a handfull other people that are willing to as well we should find most of the bigger multi accs. Kooream have been doing it for a few days. There are two others PM-ing me with solid cases as well. Everyone can do it given that the hashes, account names and the blockchain are public information. I would like to gather all the cases and make them public after the fundraising is over in a public auditing period. I would use mindmap to link wallet addresses/ account names together in visually attractive form (that's my suggestions) |
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We will refund them later in the cases of big multi acc-ters.
return for what? let it be your fund edit: remuneration for search "multi-acc-ter" Kooream has been working on some multi-accter cases for a while but I expect it is a community effort. The search will be as thorough as the community is willing to go I can't understand WHY? That statement you encourage people to try to fool you, because the money can return, so people use multi acc. PS I apologize if something I do not understand. My English is not perfect Let's make a new update to the rule introducing Counter-multi-accouter measure and apply it after page 50. Change refund by donation instead. |
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Later taint analyses will be used to reduce further the amount of big NEM stake holders.
These are best efforts to spread NEM widely and evenly to a huge user base and it is already better than the best effort to date: counter-party protocol.
Well then plz consider my last to posts in you taint analysis as i think it's a big fish among the multiaccs. Take a note of these cases as we will use that in a public auditing after the fund raising is over. But I expect the auditing is the community's effort not mine - we can go as far as the community wants to go. After all the development fund belongs to NEM's community and to be used by the developers/ community to build the crypto we love. |
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We will refund them later in the cases of big multi acc-ters.
return for what? let it be your fund edit: remuneration for search "multi-acc-ter" They send money in and if we don't take them then we send them back. Kooream has been working on some multi-accter cases for a while but I expect it is a community effort. The search will be as thorough as the community is willing to go |
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Our goal is equal shares to all (accounts). And while I try to spread NEM widely and evenly, I don't really count real people in a forum or internet. As far as I understand I converse with patmast3r as one unique account. But it is possible that highscore is the mastermind behind patmast3r or even the same person with multiple personality. Don't go that route because it would be too confusing. The 1 account/ 1 stake rule is established to cause hassles for people to register many stakes. Anti-sock puppet measure is there for that purpose as well. And as far as I concern people can make many accounts as they want if they are willing to go though these hassles. Later taint analyses will be used to reduce further the amount of big NEM stake holders. These are best efforts to spread NEM widely and evenly to a huge user base and it is already better than the best effort to date: counter-party protocol. |
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