Honestly I couldn't agree more with ya here SuchMoon. I'd still consider myself someone who agrees with the ideals of a Republican and a Conservative, but watching supporters of the party and the party itself attempt to bend over backwards to find some logic to support this EO is insane.

This is an attack on the rights of companies here, and in the past Republicans would've been appalled to hear the government is getting involved in capitalism and business. But no -- they're all just sitting around and complaining.

I'm against Twitter / Facebook / Instagram (etc) censoring, but they do have a right to do as it is their platform. If you don't like it - MAKE A NEW PLATFORM - DON'T GET BIG GOVERNMENT INVOLVED.

This title is sensationalist and you know that Juggy, please don't continue to do this.

What Donald Trump has said he'll do to Twitter is without a doubt wrong, but the guy isn't planning on shutting down twitter. He's just thretaning them because he's angry with them -- yet again, totally not a smart thing to do and I don't think anyone agrees with him on this.

Twitter also did wrong - I mean, are you really going to start fact checking everything that every politician / public servant says on your platform? Things are going to get interesting fast as you elevate yourselves to the role of the world thought ministry.

I know this thread is going to turn a bit spammy, but I'm still going to throw my two cents into it.

This is a truly horrible situation and that officer should be prosecuted with the full extent of the law. I do truly think that he committed Third Degree Murder (not 2nd or even 1st like some are saying) and what he did was despciable. His gross negligence led to the death of another individual. He didn't follow police protocol and that led to the death of another individual who was being arrested for a nonviolent crime - great reason for him to be fired (as he already has)

With that said though, I do not support violent rioting and destruction of cities across America. Fight for your rights, but fighting for those rights isn't burning down police cars and police stations. Protest, don't riot.

Heh, you're most likely right when it comes to if you weren't wearing a signature I wouldn't have bothered you. Maybe not though, I get very annoyed when newbs come on here just to up their postcount and just throw up some word salad on the page.

Nothing wrong with making an extra buck though. When you can have fun doing what you're doing and be involved in a forum you like, while being rewarded for it, you've gotten the best of both worlds. Best part is that it isn't a chore or a job, just a fun little hobby.

Stay safe.

Eh that's fine then, I'm happy that you responded. You seem to be a nice person and interested in the topic at hand -- problem is that most people who flood this community will just spam random shit about random shit just to get their post count. It strikes me as an issue when I see two guys with the same signature and all that come in a row. But honestly you even responding to me takes that away as it seems as if you truly care.

So yeah, outside of the context you've included right now -- I'd think that you were just spamming for an extra post. Lots of spam here, so yeah-- I hope ya can see what I went about doing this. Stay safe.

Pretty sure this is what you guys are talking about in common peoples terms:


And on the subject of Biden for a second, I don't think this was mentioned thus far -- but there is no term limits or anything for the Vice President. You can serve as the VP for as many terms as you're elected for -- though the most anyone has done is 8. Plus I mean, who in gods name wants to be the VP for more then 8 years. Unless you're praying on your Pres to die of course.

I read a bit wrong into this, it would be the NEW CONGRESS that would decide this task. Tough to say on if the Republicans are going to be able to hold their state delegation lead and the Senate, but it is possible.

Even then, if they hold the state delegations, that guarantees them control of the Executive for another 4 years. If the Dems picked their VP to be Biden, Warren, Sanders, etc --- they're just not going to be able to do anything but go settle some ties in the senate (their only real constitutional mandate). Anyone that isn't Pence / a Republican is just going to be relegated to join the other (MANY) useless VP's who just sit around and wait for their President to die.

The Atlantic has a good piece on this - https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/07/what-happens-if-2020-election-tie/593608/ - Talks about how close some of the delegations are (on both sides) and how the delegation race could be decided by one congressional district in many states.

I'm totally one of the people that have broke this as well, so for that I'll be apologizing. Kinda was just responding.. lol.


Not sure what you're getting at here, but PredictIt is still going to be one of the worst sources for information. Biden is possible the worst candidate to face Trump come November. They literally had a chance here to pick someone that would energize their voters to not only get Trump out of office, but to bring forward Democrat ideals to the forefront of politics (Universal Healthcare, Community College, etc) -- but they picked Biden who is ugh-- Biden.

Would much rather go with 538 here - https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/  - I know this is just aggregate general election polling, but still much better then PredictIt gambling degenerates trying to pick something.

This is also pretty interesting to see as well - 538 aggregate of polls on the race for Congress - Dems have a pretty large lead on that at the moment - https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-generic-ballot-polls/?ex_cid=irpromo


Edit: I now see what you're getting at. Still a bad market.

BUT 269-269 would leave the house to decide, but in an altered state -- as each state delegation would get one vote which would most likely leave the Presidency in the hands of Trump. See below on how that split works out:




Senate would pick the VP -- giving it to Pence.

Come on folks, yall are grave digging on topics to just drag up that post count for your signature campaign. Lets try to not do that and just wait for updates from OP.


You too, same topic. Still gravedigging, but not as bad as the first guy.s

I guess you've made me gravedig to say something now. But -- yeah. Please try to not do that here -- staying within the month 2-3 weeks is fine but this is a bit much. You're multiple pages out for this one

I mean there could be OTHER bluetooth connections going on in your home, apartment, etc or from your neighbors (I consider this the most likely option) I feel like this story would've already broken by EFF or some digital privacy watchdog as to this happening without any info -- if this is the case though, and they're just opting everyone in, we're in for a story whenever someone figures out what you did.

Just another story to toss on here - https://www.theverge.com/interface/2020/5/21/21265079/apple-google-covid-19-exposure-notification-bluetooth-limitations-contact-tracing-isolation - some states are complaining (in the US) that they're paying a lot for these apps to be made, which allow for someone to opt in, and no one is opting in themselves. So I can see them officially taking the approach in the future that this is going to be a hard opt-out system.

Cause ya know, no one wants to willingly giving up info -- especially when they have to go through the trouble of downloading an app. To be honest with you, downloading the app is probably what is stopping most people. Just sheer laziness, rather then the privacy aspect.

+1 to that.

The last thing we want is to set a precedent for the government being allowed to take away more of your rights to privacy just because they deem there's an emergency going on. That's not me saying that I don't think we're in a crisis, we are right now -- but next time the government may just declare a crisis in order to take more and more of your data and privacy away instead of just 'protecting you'

Hard technical opt in is what needs to happen here and for every future attempt to grab your data. If you accept that opt in then so be it, that's on you. But I should at least make the decision.

I mean I think we all know going into a poll like this that we're going to have a good amount of people supporting ChipMixer -- they have a LARGE presence on this forum and they pay a pretty penny to those that are involved in their signature campaign.

That's not a shot at you guys who are in the campaign though, as the service is amazing. I'll be dropping another vote for ChipMixer for being amazing. These others REALLY cant compete with them.

Going to stress what everyone else has said here. Totally not, there'd be no way for the other side to make money without the ability to liquidate your funds in the event that the collateral falls in value (to a pre-determined point -- maybe 120%) from what was loaned out.

Imagine the risk that the loan provider would have to take on to make your idea possible? -- They'd be giving you money (USD, ETH, and so on) when you give them Bitcoin as collateral but they can NEVER liquidate you -- so they have no way to force you to actually pay.


Horribly business model, come on folks.

But what's the other way of dealing with this issue? I understand the anti government sentiment and all of that, but I'm unsure what the plan to fix this if you aren't just sitting at home minding your own business. This virus spreads when people are out and about with one another.

Would you support an order to wear masks while you're in public (as NY and many states have done)

What would you support to stop this from spreading?

Because as of right now in the US we're at approx 100k deaths, and by June 20th models are predicting we'll be at another 20k deaths putting the grand total at 120k deaths.

I mean, maybe. I'm not sure I'm onboard the thought process of that the only reason that Republicans are pushing for these policies is because it will (probably) benefit them when election time comes around. The same thought process shows that Democrats are not going to support these because it (potentially) hurts them when it comes to their voters coming out and voting.

It's all about politics and power, but at a certain point some politicians do truly have some ideals that they think will help to protect the integrity of the voting process -- which is where ID's being used during voter comes up. Yet again I want to stress that if a state wants to do that, they should be providing the ID free of charge or they're going to be WILLINGLY putting undue burden onto those in the lower class.

Eh I don't think that all of the Republican ideas about securing the voter system is bad. I do think that it is very important to ensure that every vote in the US is done by a citizen of the US that has the right to vote by the guidelines established by their state.

Do I think that you should be required to have an ID to be vote? Yes - but if this is a requirement in your state, I think the state should pay for the ID card for all people (or I guess those under a certain income level)

Do I think that you should purge the voting rolls at some point that is determined by independent researchers / experts (and not the governor) yes.

So, yeah.

Oh yeah you're totally right when it comes to this. This is why I said that if Democrats are doing it then why aren't Republicans doing it -- the reason is that it isn't happening (at least on the scale that some are talking about).

Lol on the Space Force thing, but yeah -- the Feds are the people that investigate this, so if Trump really thinks that he can back his claims he could form task forces and such to combat this. Could literally just sign an executive order tomorrow directing them to investigate claims of this.

Yeah I wouldn't think you would be installing an application like that. Not too bitcoin of ya (lol)

I'm not the person who advanced knowledge of bluetooth though, just thought I would try to troubleshoot with you on the basic level that I could. Though you're probably right on this working on some protocol level when OTHERS install the app and you're just around them.

Stay safe and goodluck, +merited.

I don't think we have to set it up to the degree of -- potential to change the outcome of an election -- but I still do agree with the sentiment here. I doubt there are many cases that can be found of voter fraud to begin with, let along with the chance of changing the outcome of the election.

A vote that is illegal is a problem even if it doesn't change the outcome of the election -- effectively it cancels out the vote of someone who is legally allowed to vote. But yes, there should obviously be more attention given to the time where the outcome of the election was (or could've) been altered.

I still think one of the most important things to say to those that think voter fraud is plaguing the nation is -- if it is so easy for Democrats to do it -- why don't Republicans do it right back to balance all of this out? You can't just say that every time you lose its voter fraud and every time you win it's just normal voting.

Hm. Question in regards to your phone -- did you willingly download the app that was sent out by your health authorities? Because to the best of my knowledge (https://support.google.com/android/answer/9888358?hl=en-GB) I don't think that Google/Android has released their own unified app. Pretty sure that's under the direction of health officials within your area.

I think answering that would help to see exactly what is going on here. But if you're not willingly to share that's understandable -- kinda would tell us where you live ( at least on the country level)