Your coins are always such a good quality. I enjoy mine.
FYI... there is now a UNO market place on Cryptopia.co.nz.
It would be nice to see a UNO branded product as well as your other bullion products listed there.
I personally have been of a good mind to get some little silver flasks made up, ala silver skulls. |
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I know most are familair with the Uno silver bars, but I wanted to drop a quick plug here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=825537.0I do nto have mine yet, but I have no doubts they are in transit from somewhere to somewhere and will be in transit again to me soon. If you haven't seen these yet, this may be the last batch for a while and better grab a couple. They are not one ounce each, they are well over at 1.65! Gallery here: http://postimg.org/gallery/8hk9yvye/By the way I get nothing for posting this but being supportive of a good thing. I can vouch, these are beautiful bars and make a nice physical place to hold your UNO. bigtimespaghetti is also very friendly and easy to work with. |
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Blueman. you need to read back what are you talking about, as respect, i don't think you understand testnet or mainnet coin. Proto is just another altcoin dude testnet or mainnet as we look at it. You still can trade mine and do whatever mainnet coin can do. If there will be more seednode, syncing up permanently, dev can't reset the chain. It still move up from permanent node. As i do right now, I did set up a little seed node for PROTO to testing it, however, It can be permanant later on, whether or not dev will reset it. You don't like it, move on. Know one tell you to buy or mine it, dev already said twice or more, it is experiment. EDITED: I as write it out, difficulty just hit 100,000 
3 TH/s on testnet. I do not agree. It is not just another altcoin, it is the testnet for UNO. If the UNO testnet becomes heavily mined or traded in its own right its value as a test environment is compromised. If what was wanted was an altcoin that looked like UNO then one should have been created - uno2 or whatever and that could have had exactly the same characteristics as UNO. Further, I would argue that the only people mining Proto are those that would have been mining UNO so it is siy cannibalising UNO hashrate. However, given that merge mining is in place that probably won't have a serious impact. Well wtf else is supposed to happen when you brand it? Of course it is going to compromise the test environment by welcoming new people whose objective it is to monetize over innovate. Can you have a testnet on a testnet? Get some inception type shit going on? It would seem possible, like the number of testnets would have no limit? Is the testnet just an environment where you can have numerous instances running? You summed it up rather succintly, I have heard absolutely zero in regards to the testnet being used to try or develop new innovative features. No, the resounding cry is the same as if it were any other coin: Let's point all the hash we can find at it, drive the diff up, and see if we can make a few satoshi off of it: thereby leaving none in the hands of developers it was intended for. You all have fun with that strategy. |
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"If the words are a phrase in any literature of any kind you will almost certainly have problems."
Are there really machines out there trying to brute force with any any string of words ever put into print?
Wow!
Yes there are lots of things like this. A simple example is phuctor located here: http://nosuchlabs.com/ It is the only public computer I know of currently being used to factor rsa keys (It also allows you to test key intergrity). Similar things exist for passwords and even bitcoin keys. Remember the blockchain.info debacle? Reusing k and R values is bad, as discussed here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=581411.0. For those wanting to know more about ECDSA exploits, this is an excellent paper: http://bit.ly/1DpEBacHigh quality links, thanks. It's a very serious problem in some implementations. An attacker doesn't even need the network for these attacks, just a local copy of the blockchain and a phrase source. The attack can be performed off-line on fast machines, clusters, etc... Most guidance is to never use a brainwallet unless the characters or phase is generated with proper entropy. The general paperwallet method (mouse movement) is considered safe by most. jswallet I consider safe because of the way the brainwallet is generated (via mouse movement as well). You could take a large numerated word list and use dice to calculate a brainwallet phrase... I believe that's similar to how an Electrum seed is generated (minus the dice, plus /dev/urandom) Yes, it produces entropy randomly via mouse movements. I think I recall discussing how to use the jswallet offline with IMZ ( if you are really nuts about security). This: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/how-to-make-a-bitcoin-address-with-a-ti-89-calculatorand This: http://www.swansontec.com/bitcoin-dice.html |
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"If the words are a phrase in any literature of any kind you will almost certainly have problems."
Are there really machines out there trying to brute force with any any string of words ever put into print?
Wow!
Yes there are lots of things like this. A simple example is phuctor located here: http://nosuchlabs.com/ It is the only public computer I know of currently being used to factor rsa keys (It also allows you to test key intergrity). Similar things exist for passwords and even bitcoin keys. Remember the blockchain.info debacle? Reusing k and R values is bad, as discussed here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=581411.0. For those wanting to know more about ECDSA exploits, this is an excellent paper: http://bit.ly/1DpEBac |
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I really have no idea what the testnet is for though.
It's just a testing feature, period so you don't run on a live chain. Anyone that has two spare computers and an hour to kill can make a test coin - but the altcoin section is filled with worthless coins that cn be used to the same end. |
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I disagree with you there Blueman. For me the point of crypto was that anyone CAN do anything with it. So that there weren't so many restrictions placed upon what you can and can't do with your money. Unfortunately with that comes a certain degree of volatility.
I personally don't understand the need to create a pretty wallet, it seems like you still need skills beyond making a conf file to be able to mess around with the testnet. Is the wallet even that big of a deal then? Does it just make access to the testnet easier by distributing the coins to those who want them to play around with instead of having to take the time to mine them on the testnet? Could this have a negative impact where people begin to mine the testnet to the point where people who are actually there to innovate are having issue accessing the resources they need because those who want to monetize are hoarding?
Of course people are going to take a chance and try to monetize it, if they understand it or not, that was my only issue.
If this is the first type of tool to allow people to toy around with sidechains it could have a positive influence on Uno as well, where if it is what people are learning the ins and outs of, they might then fall in love with Uno as well. It is all speculation.
It is easy to get frustrated in cryptoland. More so on the downswing. I don't think anyone has the intentions of hurting, only bolstering.
I think of it as more of a collective. A think tank. A grouping, or community if you will, of like minded individuals. All here with different objectives benefiting to varying degrees from the success of increasing the valuation of the coin. Together we are stronger than if we were to stand on our own.
It is useful, but if one has the skills and just can't stand the thought of prototanium, then build your own client minus the testnet funcionality.  |
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I just wanted to thank HagbardCeline once again, this is a really neat feature and allows people to do what they want with their commodity. And as it's been pointed out, not extremely restricted use as the Bitcoin developers have went with for testnet coins. Let people decide what they want to do with it.
Cool stuff, please don't get discouraged due to people's disagreements.
Go thank that's ok. And you can do whatever you like sure. I think is not the time this side chains shit of any type to be release right now. Blazr2 never ask the community. When we was have big discussion about MM and Side chains He don't show up to explain possibilities. We have conversations this side chains shit to happened somewhere in the distant future if you all guys remember that! But no he want to surprise us with no need to explain... Well you Blazr surprise some of us the bad way. who asked you to SC or test Net release wallets?. " I do not want drama and waves" - you say. Well you going to have it . I invest very big money here (not like you) and not feel comfortable some nubs to come here and tell me: "I can do what ewer I want with test net and proto even can trade this like new coin" Sorry but you can not. There must have some rules here. Not everybody here agree and you going to make me very angry about my investment here I promise you!
It's an open source project. Fork your own copy and change to your heart's content. |
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I just wanted to thank HagbardCeline once again, this is a really neat feature and allows people to do what they want with their commodity. And as it's been pointed out, not extremely restricted use as the Bitcoin developers have went with for testnet coins. Let people decide what they want to do with it.
Cool stuff, please don't get discouraged due to people's disagreements.
If you are a developer, join irc sometimes and test ideas. |
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Manufacturing is finished and bars are on their way to me before packaging and dispatch begins. There are still a few left if anyone would like to pre-order which means they will ship between 8 to 10 days from now! Thanks for all the awesome support- without everyone this project would not be happening. And remember that all those preordering will get a special extra as a thank you for the faith, support and patience Reserving a goxxed coin, PM me with #'s available. |
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To all those that preordered- still finishing off the manucfaturing so I don't think it merits a message. The bars are being laser engraved along with the latest run of Gox coins. Going smoothly so far!
Can't wait for the coxxed coins ... special meaning once again xD. The coins and bars are being sent to me today- Mark had to go and get himself arrested... Half tempted to make a new coin. I think I should wait until a conviction or release first Sounds like a grand idea, let your temptation rage. A special footnot to the final chapter? |
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To all those that preordered- still finishing off the manucfaturing so I don't think it merits a message. The bars are being laser engraved along with the latest run of Gox coins. Going smoothly so far!
Can't wait for the coxxed coins ... special meaning once again xD. |
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wall of words incoming: 1. Much gratitude to HagCe ... this is a great new spin on the testnet. Props. First and foremost. 2. The here by known as, SirSmokes Concern, should be kept on the table. There is no need to drive loads of value into PR. 3. It is still a testNet, it will be, intentionally broken, from time to time. a. WARNING! Techs/Devs out rank all decisions. If they want to try something wacky and wild, they can. "Investors" can not object.4. But it still has value. 5. Prime value or primary case use is what HagCe just used it to do. Raise funds to help dev Uno. I suggest we be explicit ans state for the record this is the near future case use of PR ... unit of value to help fund the devs. 6. It is a toy, so play! 7. Possible secondary case use: a. claim checks for uno in the future b. credit points for doing uno stuff (see point 5 ... HagCe does something we send him PR he later auctions it to raise funds ... repeat process) c. DVC rebooted d. imagine what you like, again it's a toy so lots of possiblity. Good summary, it has no use as a pure investment vehicle. Any value is relative to the technical bits, which can then be safely ported to UNO, making it stronger and more valuable. |
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--- @siameze 1. TQ 2. https://bitsig.io ... write in the blockchain, timestamping. Would this benefit UNO have a service like that too? Or better to timestamp Uno based contracts in some other guys blokchain? I run this as a service already in my IRC channel: https://github.com/shinohai/deedbundler A few modifications and it can easily run on UNO, no need to timestamp to another chain unless that's where you want it. I'm debugging it under prototanium now. If you have a GPG key, bitmessage me and I can add you to my keyring and can demo for you when it is ready. |
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I have in mind just testing/playing.
concept: 4 signatures on contract, 3 of 4 required to execute payment.
example:
1. the contract / (or bet) = "Will UNO trade above $3 before Sept 1st 2015"+amount+address payable
2. party A vs. party B ... if true do X
3. party A selects a 'sponsor'(partyC) AND party B selects a 'sponsor'(partyD)
4. execution requires A or B signatures (AND both signatures C AND D)
5. ELSE if false do Y (send the money back if times out without 3 of 4 signatures)
Already been done in Ruby: https://github.com/t4t5/BitBet There is a good Python implementation out there too. |
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I really would like to test some kinda community "Smart" uno contracts with co-pay or standard multi-sigs. Lacking the cleverness on how2 do it. "Wallet Secret Required"?? "Master extended private key"?? ---- man in the street has choice of 3 wallets  co-pay, java, and the android I can do on blockchain contracts, not sure exactly what you have in mind. |
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"If you want to use it, download and use it. It doesn't detract from Un because it doesn't take anything away from Un. I don't expect it to make it to an exchange anyway, its simply a "thing" you can do that's Un related, giving some easy mining and the ability for those of us who don't have a huge chunk of the Un coinbase to relive the hey-day of mining a coin we genuinely care about in a new fashion."
Okay!
A third person has received Proto from the faucet, and I will happily spend some Uno to get more Proto for the faucet.
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All I get is nasty PMs and deleted messages. "Don't accept wooden nickels" ETA to message deletion: Next time UNO community reads this. |
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I don't understand how this is hard to understand in 2015. I guess nobody has used a coin's testnet. It's simply "fake" coins to play with for testing purposes. If you just want to play around with UNO but not spare your real coins, then you can test mine the testnet, send coins for testing without worry of losing your Unobtanium. If you don't want to play with test coins from the testnet blockchain, then do nothing with it.
Lol save the condescension. When someone releases a wallet for the masses, the only thing missing from making this 'fake' coin 'real', is being listed on any 'legit' exchange. What you said can be said about any coin, if you don't like it, don't look. We can go into the whole debate on 'what is real' if you would like. All Hag did was release another coin. It really has little to do with Uno aside from having the same stats and distro which sort of pulls away from the uniqueness of Uno. Another perspective, playing devils advocate. What if for what ever reason Proto becomes worth more coin for coin than Uno. Is it any less 'real' now? It is not. Is it cool to see how the chains will interact with each other? Sure. Could using one chain to back up the authenticity of another chain make all of this stuff that much more secure? I hope so. I really don't know what the possibilities are for Proto. I do have some ideas as to how it will impact Uno's valuation in the short term and none of them are really positive imho but i am a big boy and can cope with this stuff. I certainly appreciate the work that people put forth and won't bitch any more about Proto. Yes I'm not happy to. This prototype cloning chain must remain off the people hands it is for the DEVS only to build and experiment! Why to have option to downloaded Pr if I am not a dev. And don't exchanged it ever please-there is uno for that! If I discover Uno just now and want to invest this kind cloning things will turn me off. THERE is only one chain- the unobtanium. No cloning chains pease. Shut this thing down man and keep it as 'training , experimenting' in the future. Just my direct opinion. Its not another coin; last time I'm going to say it. Its a client that accesses the Un testnet without needing any command line switches and lets you send coins from one network to the other. I thought my original post was quite clear about this... It lets people re-mine Un if they want to--its not a secret, its not a hidden 'dev' only network; its been in the clients for a long time, but nearly no one has utilized it. I suppose you can argue that there's no real reason to access it and use it; but then I'd argue that there's no real reason to use ANY coins--they are all a choice thing. Why didn't people use testnets very often? Because testnet is a hassle to use in many coins. But why would you want to? Because the coins are identical, the mining is the same (for proven coins that can mean another round of mining with exceptional properties), and because, why not? Its in there--so go for it! If you think about it--some services simply don't support testnet connections, and the difficulty of using testnet at times can be a way for one or two miners to quietly mine the entire network for themselves. I don't know if testnet coins will ever come in to fashion--but why should anyone care if want to mine them and make it easy for others to do the same? If you don't like it, ignore it. If you want to use it, download and use it. It doesn't detract from Un because it doesn't take anything away from Un. I don't expect it to make it to an exchange anyway, its simply a "thing" you can do that's Un related, giving some easy mining and the ability for those of us who don't have a huge chunk of the Un coinbase to relive the hey-day of mining a coin we genuinely care about in a new fashion. This is my last blurb about it, I'm not here to try and defend something that thought you'd all get a kick out of. I'm sorry it seems I'm trying to throw oil in the water, I'm really not. It really isn't your fault blazr, you can't explain magical properties to people that don't grasp magic. The way you strengthen blockchains and keep them secure (and therefore valuable) is having things like these. |
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