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4381  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin (BTC) down $200 on: September 21, 2018, 01:25:48 PM
Bitcoins will never drop to $200 dollars, the stable price in the market today is $6k dollars and all we have to do is be more patient to wait for the price to reach $20k dollars again before the year ends.
Apparently, people do not understand what they call a bottom, it is usually a huge support and a certain price at which people are ready to go all in and then we see price action in such spot over and over again. Patience is always the key just like you said, and for those who are thinking a $200 is possible, I guess they should keep being in their wildest dreams because this cannot happen. At this stage, anything that would even make us go below $2k is already too crazy, let alone as low as $200. It is not a pump and dump market, probably some are forgetting that.

I think its possible. If you have invested heavily on Bitcoins when it was at a high price,then this would be disastrous! However, I am a firm believer of the market cycle that can be seen in every investment instrument. According to the market cycle we are just seen a huge correction in terms of the BTC price. So if the price goes down to $200 I think you should buy, because it a really bargain price. So when price goes down hold on to your current coins and buy more at a lower price.
Unless we do not want to be realistic, the price of bitcoin going down to $200 can only be possible when there is something horrific going on and everyone is trying to get out from the market. This is something that at this stage, such level of sell out will be very hard to find. The way people think though, about the market just dropping to some crazy level can be so surprising. Yes, the market may be volatile to a certain extent, but that does not mean it is dead.
4382  Economy / Speculation / Re: BTC TO 3K$ on: September 21, 2018, 12:19:00 PM
i'd say we're at a pretty crucial juncture. now that price is sliding down again, we're threatening to break the series of 2 higher lows on the daily chart. those lows were at $5755 and $5858 (bitfinex prices). i'd love to see $6000 actually hold here so bulls get one more try at a higher high above $7430. that'll definitely trigger a short squeeze and will fundamentally change the daily/weekly price structure.

until a real breakout occurs, i'm just waiting. i have a nagging feeling the direction will be down, and i'll be shorting the market again soon. Undecided
We are really at a very critical one and the only ways the bulls can really be able to get smart moneys to participate in this market at the moment is to be able to close a week at least above, $7k. If $6.5k holds, then we might still have some hope but in the case where it does not, and we get to go below $5700, then, that could really bring about some huge decrease in the market value which likely may go as low as $3k. Nothing is certain yet, as we just have to keep monitoring the trend and see where it leads us.

We could see any movement downward if peradventure, the bulls ended up not being ready to take hold of the market, and then the bears decide to take back the wheels. All we can do now is to speculate, but as time goes on, trend and time will give us which direction the market will be going to, at what point it will reverse and how far it would go.
4383  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Analysis of the Bitcoin price on: September 21, 2018, 09:59:17 AM
I think that the crypto currency has already taken root in our world and its future potential has not yet been exhausted, and I think that now is just the beginning. Of course many will think that everything is complete and the crypt began to quietly fall from its place at the top. But you can also consider so that now there is a check on the nerves of people who invested in it.
There is an interesting expression "after falling to the bottom, there is only one way out, this is to climb the top
We are still in the early days of cryptocurrency and people thinking a market will cease to exist, most especially for a market that is already grounded, with a lot of support and development springing up every day, I feel it is absurd to have such a question of whether either of them will cease to exist in years to come.

Surely, we are all just here in the present and no one knows the future and we can only be optimistic and if we are to judge with the present, I want to believe we still have more room for growth.

OP is asking a question that sounds a little bit lame than it being a fact. No one knows the future, so asking us if bitcoin would cease to exist in couple of years to this time or if it will not is all B.S. The market is growing by the day, development is popping up daily and I see no reason why bitcoin would cease to exist and I do not see Ethereum ceasing to exist either, however, like I said, no one knows what the future holds. Just buy what you feel you want to take the risk of buying and live with it. As long as you understand the risk, then the rest is left for you to decide.
4384  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: is the beginning of the 2019 altcoin'll be back? on: September 21, 2018, 08:43:17 AM
we need to see next month if price going up maybe altcoin is back
The altcoins have actually been trying to make a move, but the uncertainty in the market and most especially for bitcoin I believe is what is suppressing them at the moment. As much as we can be optimistic about the next few months or next year, I want to believe only time can really tell how things would end up panning out at the end of the day as there is certainly no guarantee.

I would not be surprised to see some good movement to some extent before the end of the year, and then see the continuation of the bear trend, then consolidation next year. That would be more like history repeating itself.
4385  Economy / Services / Re: [OPEN] ⚡BQT Signature Campaign | Member - Hero | 0.0007 BTC /Post ⚡ on: September 21, 2018, 07:44:21 AM
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4386  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Market unstable on: September 20, 2018, 04:30:40 PM
You are on crypto market! What are you waiting for? Buy stable coin like tether or tezos and hold it if you afraid of fluctuations.
I really wonder what he wants from a stable market in the first place. The volatility of this market is what makes it interesting to hold and trade in the first place, and no one absolutely would want to hold a market that would just remain the same forever without changing in value. Like you said, anyone who is afraid of fluctuations, then certainly, this market is not for them, and rather than whining and complaining about instability, they should equip themselves with enough knowledge to play with those fluctuations.

maybe what he meant "stable" was when the price of coins rose every day without a decrease in prices.
Well, but even at that, I would not consider that stable. Stable means there is no movement at all and that is certainly the only literal meaning to it. Anyone who is looking for stable coins can be my guest to stay in fiat or maybe utilize the likes of tether and see where that gets them. That is what I call stable and not a market that is moving in a quantifiable percentage daily.
4387  Economy / Speculation / Re: The reason why it is stable on: September 20, 2018, 03:25:58 PM
I guess the reason why bitcoin has a stable price is because miners are mining sometimes or even stop mining at all. The supply of coins freeze and the price would definitely freeze to. Correct me if im wrong but i really believe mining and the price are linked. If one stop moving then the other one will follow.

I dont see any miners quitting besides small miners. Big miners are mining still and waiting. They are improving their equipment with new generations of asics and continuing operations.
Apparently, small miners as long as the condition is no longer favorable for them will always be the ones to quit and in this kind of unfavorable condition, we are talking about low prices, but in the long run for those who are really not looking at the short term, they really would not have to worry much.

For instance, if the price drops far below $6000, a lot of speculation going on shows that it becomes non profitable for miners, and then we will definitely see the smaller ones leaving for that moment, and the bigger ones, getting the pay for confirmations they do as the difficulty drops.
4388  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin can back to 20.000 to December? on: September 20, 2018, 02:11:40 PM
That is probably not going to happen either the chances of seeing that are higher than all of those people that think that the price is going to recover before the end of this year, just remember to have a plan just in case the price does not reach those levels at the time you predict, many people only have one plan and when that fails they do not know what to do, do not be one of those persons.
Actually $25k at the September next year may be a bit realistic or even in 2020, but nothing should be expected that much when it comes to this year because whether we like it or not, we still have a lot of resistances above us and certainly, the market still looks like it has more room to go down lower. it is, I am sure as time goes on we will definitely get to see how far the market moves even if it decides to switch to the way up. Recovery will take a while which I expect there would be a consolidation period before even seeing any recovery at all.

Every one expect a big price on December,but I don't see that will happened, the history chart can't become a reliable source, one of the reason I pessimistic is even though there are numerous of positive news, the bitcoin price still unable to go up, it seems like the market is controlled by whales, when that happens I don't see there is chances the price going to go up quickly
Those who are expecting a big price in December are those who really have no understanding of how the market can work and then all they care about is moon and stars. We will be very lucky if we manage to go past $17k at the end of this year and that would have been a very great achievement for the year but as it is, nothing is guaranteed and looking at the way things are, the market sure looks like it could have more room to go lower.
4389  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Crypto currency 101 on: September 20, 2018, 10:30:05 AM
if this system was used only for bad reasons. it would have been completely destroyed by now. however, a new technology is being recognized. in this time, it will be seen clearly. technological investments for the future will continue.  Cool
The thing is that there will always be a negative side to every story and in as much as the OP tend to pain the negative sides as well as some of the few positive sides, does not mean fiat does not have its disadvantages as well and I am sure we all know that if we are to really talk about monopoly and crazy policies, fiat takes the first place, so in a nutshell, who has regulation helped ?

We may be at an early stage now, but I believe with real life usage, things may end up different. There could be some form of regulation but at the end it will be limited in a way for the government, so it is still always going to be a win-win for us the users of the decentralized space.
4390  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: How does price go up or down? on: September 20, 2018, 09:17:06 AM
How the prices go up and down is simply affected by the result of demand and supply. When the demand of the coin is really high, then there is a great chance that the price or value of the coin would relatively increase. Meanwhile, if the demand of the coin is less, that is more people are rather dumping the coins rather than buying, then there is a great chance that the price of the coin would reduce.
That is the general principle of economics when it comes to demand and supply. Certainly, it is a market and all that is going on is more like an auction and everyone trying to bid on how much they want to end up selling and how much they want to buy.

Now, all these things are certainly a prerequisite to how people perceive the market in that particular space of time that they are buying, which is either the demand is huge or supply is on the high side, so with that, we see the market tending towards whoever is winning. Crypto market is not just this market as that is generally applicable to every other market outside cryptocurrency, such as Forex, stock market etc.

With any market, the law of supply and demand will always be applicable and in this case as long as there will always be people buying and selling in the market, the price will always fluctuate and the position at which it fluctuated towards is dependable on which of the sides have a larger effect on the market due to their huge presence.
4391  Economy / Economics / Re: Why Cryptocurrency threatens governments on: September 20, 2018, 07:44:25 AM
Another crypto-threat-to-government thread. Smiley

governments will never be threatened by cryptocurrencies as they could easily reject and prohibit their people from using it. Like what they do on middle eastern countries where they blocked porn sites.

If bitcoin can't be regulated, chances are it won't be accepted in the country because according to some politicians "it's not safe and secured"
Well, it is not like it can’t be regulated, but to what extent can it be regulated. We are talking about something global here and the fact that it is decentralized makes it very hard for the government to clamp down on activities surrounding it.

Nevertheless, if they really want to regulate it, it is still easy since as it is, people will always need to spend in the long run, or simply convert to fiat and then the exchanges become regulated and that is it.

Hence, it depends on each individual the transactions they want to make. However, we all know that the decentralized world gives freedom to the users and take control away from the government, and government do not like that, coupled with the fact that people might start evading tax or trying to do shady stuff, but all these can be curbed with regulation.
4392  Economy / Economics / Re: Evolution of money from barter system to crypto currency on: September 20, 2018, 05:16:13 AM
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Still many rich people not aware of the crypto currencies if they knows then they will get interested on investing on it which make the prices to move further but that is not the growth we wanted we want the people to use it because it can give the freedom of using their money on their own maybe the day not yet come but surely the day will come for that let's hold our hands together and make the bitcoin recognized by common man.
What makes you think rich people are not aware of cryptocurrencies ?
That is not a fact, just some assumption. However, like Hydrogen said, we are still in a system of trade by barter anyway, just that this time around, things are done differently and then we get to have a better way of doing things and transacting as the case may be.

For instance, I can imagine what it would be like when you are paying 12 chickens to someone for a goat, compared to how you can just easily make a transaction in either fiat or cryptocurrency for the goat. Simpler and easier ways of doing things, which is what the technology brings into the whole barter system.
4393  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Ethereum on the path to recovery? on: September 19, 2018, 07:32:21 PM
Its in the recovery stage just accumulate mo if you do so. Dont listen to those fudders they may trap you. This is the right time to follow your instinct just do buy Etha asap.
Not everybody understands the importance of accumulating the dips as it comes and all they will ever be doing is to panic unnecessarily and never learn from their past mistakes. I have always known the market to fluctuate as a result of this level of volatility and it is always more like it giving an opportunity over again to those who are smart enough to utilize those opportunities. As long as you realize it is a market that is here to stay, picking the low prices would always be a good move for the smart ones.

No, today they continue to fall, so I think we should not expect too high on ETH, this coin is constantly decreasing and it is hard to make a profit for us in the future.
I guess that is something we will have to be patient about as the market could still further than it is now. Surely, we cannot say much because as long as bitcoin still tries to want to find a bearing and tend to go a bit downward, then there will always be such movement for altcoins in the market. ETH and every other altcoin is actually showing the urge and zeal to want to move, but the present condition of the market most especially for bitcoin makes it unfavorable.
4394  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: How do you determine a good ICO project? on: September 19, 2018, 06:15:28 PM
I usually look at many details of the project, such as white papers, team member structure, product sales channels, and product availability!
That is absolutely a very good way to usually identify a good ICO.

Although since the whitepaper is usually technical and I would not want to waste my time on a cloned whitepaper, I usually delve and dig into the team first. They have always been my main priority and as long as I am not convinced enough not to want to drop my funds with such team, I would not even bother going ahead with other details, but as long as this is a team I can rely on with their past experience, involvement in the project, then I certainly start checking the whitepaper, product, the vision and other necessary stuffs.

There were case where even all my checkpoints were met still few projects had disappointed me. Actually those were due to various reason but I just want to mention keep looking for the reason where we had failed to choose an ICO at the same time we need to notice what made us to choose a project which is doing good till date. Yes, both are important to keep rocking among many good and scam ICOs these days.
4395  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: DOES PARTICIPATING IN AIRDROP STILL HELPFUL THESE DAYS? on: September 19, 2018, 04:33:27 PM
My airdrop experience has been pretty good so far, I participated in DEEP earlier this year and received a few hundred $ worth of tokens and now I am participating in another airdrop campaign called PRIVACY and with a little additional investment am receiving a decent amount of tokens each week whilst staking for rewards on their wallet at the same time.

Probably the highest value airdrop I ever received was form the Bitcoin fork when Bitcoin Cash was released, its launch value was quickly over $100 then it peaked at $4,000 not bad for something you recieved free.
Well, in the real sense, some will always be profitable and some will not, but rather than airdrops, I always prefer to even go the extra length to acquiring more than just some airdrop that could amount to nothing. You really would not be doing so much for the airdrop, but it is always important to try as much as possible to make some good research on any airdrop you still want to be a part of, so that in the long run, it can still end up being worth it.

Honestly, airdrops are so much like a waste of time, but since it is free money, the idea is just to have some community of holders that will at least not even have the chance to be able to sell in the short term for a price that is not worth it or a price that will absolutely not be allowed to make a trade on an exchange. All you just have to do is to get the real picture that airdrops are meant to be a long term thing and you are not meant to get anything substantial from them in the short term.
4396  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Is gambling addiction mainly due to loneliness and dissatisfaction? on: September 19, 2018, 03:52:36 PM
some players have different goals and mostly because they are looking for impressions/fun and looking for profit, yeah you're right when you gamble because of loneliness it might be bad to you, like being an addict because loneliness is looking for an impingement you know, maybe they will become addicts because of that.
You know that most of the time, loneliness on its own is a very terrible psychological state of the mind and for someone who is in this spot, I am sure, trying to find a means or something to stir up that loneliness into excitement and decided to pick on gambling can set the person up easily into making the most terrific mistake when it comes to being able to control their impulses. These are the kind of people that will always get easily engrossed, find it hard to stop when they know they should and certainly can lead to addiction. If gambling is a solution for loneliness and dissatisfaction then its addiction is the obvious results for the people who opt for it. Because addiction is the result of persisting with gambling, no one could stop nor prevent that from happening if sticking within that.
4397  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: You cannot win in gambling on: September 19, 2018, 03:03:59 PM
I just had a really bad day gambling today with Roma losing a ticket for me and their odd was 1.20 and they were playing against the last place of Italian Serie A. I thought a bad day and move on and played another ticket this time I choose Brondby as they were playing at home against a team they had beaten almost always and the odd was 1.35. This was even worse as Brondby lost 2-4 at home to a team quoted from the bookies at 8.5

Now I am not an expert in gambling but this day was a really eye opener for me, you can never win in gambling. Imagine when you can't win in lotto , soccer betting or whatever you call it, you don't have a chance in slots.
It doesn't mean you cannot win in gambling mate, i know what that feels, when a favourite team with low odds lose. Of course all sports bettors will know that and experienced that.
No one is saying you cannot win in gambling, but it is a game of luck and most of the time you are not going to always be lucky. This is reality and that is one thing a whole bunch of people do not like facing before they even venture into gambling, and certainly will find it hard to face when they are already engrossed in it, because they simply thought this is a way to make money but really, winning is something you should not even be so much particular about as you cannot predict the future and all you are doing is a guess game.

In contradicting with OP, we may win in gambling if we target something other than making profits. Yes, here many gamblers have confessed that they are still sticking with gambling for the purposes of spending time in a pleasured way or for enjoying some real time thrills which cannot be possible anywhere else.

4398  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Is there a required amount before you start trading? on: September 19, 2018, 01:38:53 PM
Trading has no requirement amount before you can go into it but just that for your own good you may need some certain amount before go into it.

im confused about your comments above . you said trading  does not require any amount but you also said trading may need some certain amount . i think trading actually require a certain amount in order for us to get started and itll also depend on what exchange we are using because every kind of exchange has a different charges . some will charge a 0.001 withdrawal fee , some are 0.0005 and so on ...  

i recomend choose only the best exchange like what you always see on the suggestions ,  like for example binance , kuckocoin , yobit , etc and  dont only look for cheap charges of their service because quality still matter the most  than the value .
Maybe, he just wanted to say something even though it is a contradictory statement all in one sentence. There is certainly no required amount as that is understandable and you can start with anything that you have. However, when it comes to getting something tangible from trading and to be able to trade different markets so as to spread out, you will need some good amount to start with.

Certainly, $100 is a good start, and as long as you can properly manage your money and your trade, you should be fine, but the more you have, the better the chances of making more, and the likelihood of losing a lot as well if you do not have the knowledge.
4399  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Panic of traders on: September 19, 2018, 11:29:07 AM
Panic has become the worst scourge of all investors without any doubt. In the case of panic, we can say without exception that all investors are hurt and whale investors are supportive. Of course, the negative consequences of every panic action are reflected in the market, and this reflects negatively on the market. It would be correct to say that investors who are not panicked in this sector will always earn profits while investors who are caught in panic will always hurt.
Most investors that are smart and knowledgeable about the market they are investing in will always not see panic as something they should ever be caught doing. They certainly know when to buy, they know when they should be selling, and certainly know when they should be patient for the long term as they understand the market, its conditions and its future in the long run. Something a lot of investors or traders will always find hard to do and panic easily because they lack that knowledge.

Many people have been anxious and sell, the market is now down and may be going green next year, this market need persevere.
People panic and sell because they were expecting something they ended up not seeing. A lot of people came into this market with the hope of getting rich overnight and that makes it so hard for them to be able to cope with the downtrend after buying the peak with the hope of the market mooning and them getting overly rich. As long as you understand what you are investing in, and you can be patient enough for the long term benefits, you certainly will not miss it.
4400  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: what kind of news or information effect THE PRICE OF COINE on: September 18, 2018, 06:31:01 PM
like fork  network update  someting

am right or wrong  
  

You are not wrong and the news that will have effect on a coin are positive news. Those that will prompt more investors to place a buy order like network upgrade or technology to better one. Adoption and general positive news that will increase the crypto market cap.
News were quick to drive the market up last year because of the uptrend but this time around, negative news have always been quick to drive the market down pretty fast with everything still resorting to some forms of manipulations anyway.

News these days however, have taken another shape as we tend to see the market less driven by news and it just seems to do whatever it pleases with obvious manipulations left, right and center. I guess with situations like this, we just have to always wait and be careful even when attempting to trade the market based on news.
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