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2701  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [ BOXING POLL ADDED ]: Fury vs Wilder III - THE TRILOGY IS BACK ON !!! on: October 13, 2021, 11:21:24 PM
We wouldnt able to tell on what are those possible effects but its true that implications do really always come in last which means it is unknown until it would come out and would be known publicly about health conditions which is something a very common issue into aging boxers or to those who had retired.

This is one of the cons or something to be paid up after all the years that theyve been doing boxing or sticking into this career but well its their choice to make though and its their body to be handled.

I agree into that words about respect on which Wilder did really accepted his defeat and didnt say any bullshit reasoning just like on what he had done in the past.
It isn't just boxers, but it's a sport wide concern at the moment. More research needs to be done, and there isn't a lot of concrete evidence out there currently, at least not that I'm aware of. However, I know those that regulate football competitions have come under pressure to prevent heading the ball recently, I think that's probably a little too extreme of a restriction, but I can see why boxing, MMA, and high impact sports are detrimental to the athletes health. Well, we know that boxers have had brain damage, and various permanent damage done, so it's definitely an issue.

Getting knocked out isn't really a natural thing either, Yeah our body knows how to cope with it, and switches off our conscious mind, but it's still working in the background keeping everything in check. So, getting knocked out while not really a natural or expected thing doesn't always mean there's permanent damage being done, however Wilder in the second, and this recent fight took a lot of damage.

I respect the man for taking a beaten, because that's practically what it was outside his two knockdowns, but he probably did himself more harm than good by staying on his feet so long. If he had woken up in time, and could stand I think he would have tried to get up from the knockout blow too if the ref gave him the chance.
2702  Other / Meta / Re: Actions against spam translators on: October 13, 2021, 11:11:03 PM
Ah yeah,  I think I remember seeing the election thread now. I believe I recommended that in personal messages last time out. I can't actually remember since it has indeed been a while now.

Anyway, going back to your broader approach of things I think there's several key issues we have to tackle:

- Lack of reporting
- Having reporters who are native speakers
- Having reporters which are actively posting in that local section

Now, I know that "lack of reporting" seems like I'm trying to put the blame on the community for not reporting enough, when that's not what I'm trying to do. The thing is, theymos only works with data. He doesn't personally know everyone on this forum. Therefore, he can only work on what is in front of him. So, this will probably include timezone, languages written in, amount of reports, and these metrics have to fit in with his criteria. Now, because his criteria isn't public, and likely never will be, we don't exactly know what it is. This, at the very least prevents gaming the system, but ultimately it comes down to theymos' judgement on who to make a moderator, and for the most part I think he has done a good job over the years, so it's hard to question that judgement. I'm also aware that users get disheartened when their reports are either marked bad or left unhandled, especially the latter which contributes to the lack of reporting, so by no means am I blaming this on the community, the community isn't exactly expected to report in fact, though the moderators are definitely grateful across the board I'd say.

It must be quite nerve wracking on theymos' part when appointing a new moderator. He has to think about how well will it be received (especially applicable in local sections), whether they will go rogue (despite limited permissions), and if generally they are suited to the role. In person, you can get references, have them work in the work place, and actually meet them in person. Theymos, isn't blessed with these types of options so it makes the process harder.

The second point is hard to determine, especially with how sophisticated translation tools are becoming. Alright, they are far from perfect, but the more popular languages are generally decent. For example, if someone was to write in Welsh from a translation tool it's almost immediately obvious, and that's because it hasn't had a ton of resources poured into it, whereas French, Spanish, and these types of languages have been worked on more. Again, I know they aren't perfect.

Hey Welsh! Long time no heard from you. First of all, I'd like to point out that this was neither complaining nor something personal. I do like the way you've been modding the forum overall, adn you've always been open to discussing certain points of the more local boards. I do have the utmost respect for you as a member here for the many things you've done over the years, and whilst I don't think this has been interpreted as a personal thing or an attack, the internet is a place in which people sometimes get confused, so I'd like to just point that out first thing.

Nah, fret not I didn't take this personal, although I thought going into the specifics of the Spanish section gives other users that might not be aware a overall viewpoint on the complexity of running a forum this large. I know, the previous local moderator was well respected in the section, and it was a big hole to replace once they had been inactive for a while, and with theymos only identifaying users that rejected the offer, then a less than ideal situation was created. Thus, the action taken by theymos. Although, I appreciate the kind words, but I did by no means take any of it personal. In fact, I agree that something needs to be done, and quite frankly I think all parties involved know this, like I said theymos definitely indicated to me that a local speaker is always ideal, so he's definitely aware of it too.

however, are in a sort of loop in this situation. If the most "difficult"/"controversial" reports don't get handled, why would we report them first place if we already know what is going to happen next? This passive discouragement further lowers the report volume (or at least in my personal case, I can say it has happened quite a few times; and if you can see my reporting history, you know I'm rather trigger happy). I'll even go further and say that precisely that inaction is one of the things that pushed me into this last time off the forum; after spending so much time checking threads, reporting them and making some noise so that action was taken on them, and then seeing the same user simply re-post those same threads as if nothing had ever happened did a bit of a number on me (not that a big one, as this is still an online forum full of strangers).
Right, I understand why users can be discouraged from reporting when this does happen, although I included this for a reason, and that's mainly for other instances except for this particular situation. Basically, I believe theymos does a review at least every month, because he pays the moderators, so he gives us statistics on the amount of reports handled, unhandled, and marked bad. Hilariousandco recently made these statistics public. So, theymos knows how many unhandled reports there are, and if there is a large amount of unhandled reports he's more likely to investigate where, and why they are happening. Thus, this could indicate a need for additional moderators where ever these mass reports are going unhandled. Although, as you hinted above I believe; in this case all parties are already aware of the situation, so it has little benefit. Though, I don't really want to discourage users from doing it either, since who knows theymos might find a user who's suitable. I don't know theymos' criteria, and not he hasn't reveled for obvious reasons, but if reports are being unhandled I assume that would trigger at least some investigation.

So, to be clear; I think generally if theymos isn't aware that there's a less than ideal situation in a local section, then Yeah I think it's a good idea to report these types of posts, so that he can see things aren't getting unhandled. In the Spanish section currently, theymos is already aware of these issues. So, theymos is also probably well aware that you've reported hundreds of these types of posts, so potentially there's little reason to continue doing so as he's aware. However, theymos would have to weigh in on that directly to know for certain what would be best.

Getting a bit out of the particulars of the Spanish boards, I see that this is not a problem specific to us (as LittleMouse pointed out), and I'm inclined to belive it happens in many other sub-boards. Of course it's not possible to hire global mods that know and are fluent in every language; that's simply not realistic. But there's still room for improvement in some places.
Yeah, ideally it would be nice to have local moderators which are active in the community, not just handling reports, but those that actively contribute to discussions. Since, I think everyone knows that within a local community they are usually quite tightly knitted at least more so than the overall forum. I think the only place that rivals it is the Wall Observer thread, both local communities, and Wall Observer for this reason can be quite intimidating from anyone that isn't a regular, although I think this is has a stronger effect when not communicating in a language you aren't a native speaker of.

Then, having global moderators which can sort of understand a decent amount of the language, at least enough to verify the local moderators opinion. At the moment, global moderators being the only ones able to ban have to rely on the local moderators input, if they don't understand the language. Though, I'm not 100 percent sure how they go about that.

2703  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [ BOXING POLL ADDED ]: Fury vs Wilder III - THE TRILOGY IS BACK ON !!! on: October 13, 2021, 09:29:57 PM
Oh i didnt expect that he ending up with broken hands against fighting with Fury but well this man do still deserve some respect yet he did really give out that outstanding performance against Fury even though
he do lost up but at least he do try his best and didnt really make out any excuses after the fight and instead he do say about future plans about fighting AJ to rebuilt up his career
which is really a good plan to be have.
He has my respect for this fight. I don't think anyone had respect for him with all the excuses he came out with last time though, and as long as he doesn't do that he'll continue to have my respect. Although, he's the older of the heavyweights I believe, and he's likely going to retire before most of them not only because of that, but because he's taken some serious damage in two of the fights of the trilogy with Fury. That isn't going to go down well the older that he gets, and I'm hoping there isn't any lasting effects.

Although, we've see in the past that boxing in particular is quite hard on the boxers health the older they get, the great Ali had parkinsons, and while it might not be directly linked with getting hit in the head, you'd probably think it did have at least some influence in it.
2704  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [ BOXING POLL ADDED ] The Rematch - JOSHUA vs USYK II (updated thread) on: October 13, 2021, 09:26:01 PM
It's not that AJ is slower than Usyk, it's just he cannot fight a southpaw boxer the same way as he fights an orthodox boxer. The tempo, the feel, the angle, everything is so messed up. He cannot get used to fighting a southpaw boxer in just a few months, so better gamble would be going for in-fight against Usyk.
Maybe not slower, but definitely less agile. I think that's the biggest issue here, and the fact that Joshua seems a little more gun shy since the Andy Ruiz fight. Until Joshua can either counter those problems, or make improvements on those fronts then I can't see him winning the rematch, and it's looking increasingly likely that it'll be a Fury vs Usyk unification fight, which to be honest I think is a good match up. Although, I'd like to see Fury win that, and then move onto Joshua just to prove he's the best of the current heavyweight fighters.
2705  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 🥊 The UFC Info and Prediction Thread on: October 13, 2021, 09:18:30 PM
I usually ignore preliminaries but this is the only fight that stood out for me because of Bruno Silva's fight highlights that I saw recently. This should have been in the main card IMO. Anyway, who is your pick? Appreciate it if you could add some basic analogy/explanation.
To be honest, UFC is one of the only sports which I can watch all events. I don't actually like watching boxing all that much, and am more of a casual fan. I don't watch the under cards, and I'm one of those people that turn up for the big names. In the MMA, I like to watch almost every fight that happens, including other competitions that aren't UFC. I don't know, you could say I'm hooked. I said the last fights didn't look good, and I wasn't particularly hyped, and prioritised the Fury match up, but due to it being on at a different time I actually watched every fight.

Lol the books are on to you.  The over 2.5 is around 1.50 and the fight goes to decision prop is at around 1.60 depending on the book.

And the match itself is a coin flip.  Felipe opened at 2.40 then the line dropped down to where it is today and still dropping.  I’m leaning Felipe but if the line for Arlovski goes to 2.30 and up, I’m value betting Arlovski.
I knew it. Whenever I think there's money to be heard going by the above logic, the bookmakers decide to exactly for what I was planning on betting making it pointless to bet on the fight. I think I'll just watch the fight, and give it a miss in terms of betting then.
2706  Other / Meta / Re: Actions against spam translators on: October 13, 2021, 08:44:01 PM
Unfortunately, this is one of the problems you'll run into when you run a forum catering for all the languages that exist. The Spanish section used to have a local moderator which I presume was a native speaker of the language, however when they went inactive, theymos likely contacted other users to fill the position (which I presume would have been a permanent addition due to them likely being a native speaker). The old moderator did actually return briefly after my appointment, giving me a glimmer of hope and gave me a message, which was relayed back to theymos or at least I posted in the staff section about it. However, I think their activity dropped off again. I haven't really been keeping up to date with that.

Thus, theymos asked me to fill in temporarily. The only issue with that is, and this was made quite clear  I'm definitely not a native speaker hence my username Cheesy, and I'm definitely not fluent in the language, thus the more complex reports are often the more likely they'll be left on ignore, since I can't act upon something that I don't understand completely, and this has become more strict over time as I've adapted to the role, and this is the same answer to your question about global moderators. From my observations; a few global moderators have some understanding of several language, but probably aren't fluent in all of them. Therefore, they also don't act upon reports they don't understand.

Now, how do we solve this? Well, there's a lack of data to work on, and theymos was aware of the regular reporters in the Spanish section, I know of one user who would have been a brilliant fit, but rejected it like I said. Those regular reporters however, haven't really changed. There's a small amount of users that are reporting in the section, and then it's only a couple of reports in a week. Your reporting spree that month was by far the largest in the Spanish section since I've been filling in. I think we've had discussions privately around the time this was happening also. I do send my own updates to theymos from time to time, however it has been eerily quiet on the reporting front, and I'm not going to send an update to him when there's nothing really changed since the last one.

I know that theymos prefers to appoint local moderators which are native speakers, and have demonstrated good knowledge of the language. However, this decision from theymos was seen as a temporary one, and I absolutely didn't see this as a permanent appointment, and I'm still under that impression, and by all means wouldn't want to be the permanent position, I am happy filling in for the time being until a suitable mod is found. However, due to the inactivity of reporting that has become a little longer than anticipated.

As for the translation reports you can report them if you want, but if they are particularly complex, then you risk them being ignored. That's just unfortunately the situation we are in, until a suitable native speaker is appointed, which at the moment I couldn't possibly comment on how likely or when that's going to happen. I think you may have private messaged me a while ago, and I said it was likely temporary. Though, I know that was a long time ago now. I know last time theymos responded to me on the situation, he was aware of several candidates, and at that time it looked fairly likely that there were options, however some of those users have fallen off on activity.

Until theymos identifies, and decides who shall be moderator there, then there's always a risk that your reports will be ignored due to complexity. Hence, the need for a native speaker. Unfortunately, despite a somewhat active community there, there isn't too many which report actively.

Finally, as a community you could potentially try the election format that I believe has been adopted in the past. If a decent amount of users from the Spanish section were to put their heads together, and elect a user suitable for the job, and then this was forwarded to theymos, who knows he might appreciate the effort, and get it sorted sooner.

Not sure if we are on the same page here, but I remember discussing sometime ago, that the presentation of the report option makes it difficult to write lengthened texts, which may by necessary sometimes. It is probably designed that way so as to reduce the texts the mods have to read, but allowing it more text friendly would encourage more detailed reports where necessary.
Probably would, and it's probably a good idea to look at changing it. Though, if you want you can write formatted text in a text editor, and then copy, and paste it into the report field. Yeah, it's not a great solution, but at least you might find it easier to keep your trace of thought while writing it up. On the other end, moderators will still be able to read it fairly easy. The only time it can make things  difficult is if the moderator has a particularly low resolution, and then it misaligned the reporting page a little bit. Though, It's usually not a big deal at all.

This becomes evident when a single user has sent a huge quantity of translations over a short period of time; but of course every thread should be read before judging it.
This is ultimately what it comes down too. Global moderators aren't going to be competent enough in that language, therefore can't act upon it in the majority of the cases, unless they are decently proficient in that language. Users have in the past, proven in the reporting field that a piece of text was translated via Google translate or other service by identifying that it's an exact translation, and thus in those cases it makes it easier. Though, as we know translation tools are actually getting much better these days, and really only native speakers can differentiate between the little nuisances that they create.

The only solution to this is a native speaker as the moderator of the section, which theymos was aware of, and acknowledged to me personally a year or more ago when I filled in temporarily. So, he knows what needs to be done, and is likely reviewing it somewhat frequently, but it's difficult due to the lack of reporting data to work on.
2707  Other / Meta / Re: Bitcointalk Youtube channel - what would you like to see? on: October 13, 2021, 08:09:51 PM
I'd happily participate in a podcast discussion (or YouTube). You may be disappointed though. You'll find that I'm not nearly as confident, eloquent, or accurate in conversation.  I typically review, edit, re-type, and fact-check a LOT of what I type here before it gets posted.  Without the opportunity to do that, you won't get the same quality of content from me.
Sweet, I'd happily tune into this. I'm not bothered by your real life identity or how confident you may come across. The fact is; I'd be confident that if Cyrus or part of the team were to brief you on the sort of things discussed you'd put the time, and effort into researching it, and probably good research that's a little more in depth than the average persons, just because I've enjoyed your written work on the forum over the years.

Of course, you don't have the luxury of researching on the spot or being able to edit what you've said, however I think it could still be interesting. You have decent technical knowledge of Bitcoin from what I've read. For example, if it was to be centered on Bitcoin, and its technicalities instead of a interview about you or as a lot of users here have indicated, it's nice to get some insight into the people behind the accounts, and it sounds like you might be a little interested in that, that way you wouldn't need to research, and for a lack of better wording; come across unprepared because you don't know the answer to X, Y or Z.
2708  Other / Meta / Re: Maximum posts allowed per day on: October 12, 2021, 08:01:26 PM
Consider the following:
  • User A writes 20 posts per day. All of his posts are good, they don't break any rules, and don't require a moderator's attention.
  • User B writes 2 posts per day. Both are spam, off-topic, or posted in the wrong place. They have to be deleted, merged, or moved by moderators.

Which of these two users has created more workload for the forum administration?
I highly doubt theymos will impose any sort of restriction to the volume of posts a user can make, as we know, and I touched upon it briefly earlier in the thread; people differ on their commitment to the forum. However, an observation I've made is during the earlier years of registering, and when you might say they're most excited about Bitcoin, that's likely when a user posts higher amounts than normal. Doesn't always mean they're spam, but generally when your posting several times an hour, then the quality of the posts go down.

Plus, I wouldn't say the moderators are particularly overworked, so this isn't something to be concerned about. The limiting factor of moderators I would argue is lack of reporting. Obviously, Hilariousandco released some of the reporting statistics recently, and we get thousands every month, but split between a lot of us, and how much quicker it is to handle reports are a moderator, as well as the overall activity of this forum, that isn't an awful lot.
2709  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: The UFC Info and Prediction Thread on: October 12, 2021, 07:54:49 PM
Venue: UFC Apex

Main card (ESPN / ESPN+)
Women's Featherweight: Aspen Ladd vs. Norma Dumont            
Heavyweight: Andrei Arlovski vs. Carlos Felipe            
Lightweight: Jim Miller vs. Erick Gonzalez            
Women's Flyweight: Manon Fiorot vs. Mayra Bueno Silva            
Middleweight: Julian Marquez vs. Jordan Wright
         
Preliminary card (ESPN2 / ESPN+)
Middleweight: Andrew Sanchez vs.Bruno Silva            
Welterweight: Danny Roberts vs. Ramazan Emeev            
Women's Flyweight: Sijara Eubanks vs. Luana Carolina            
Featherweight: Nate Landwehr vs. Ľudovít Klein            
Bantamweight: Danaa Batgerel vs. Brandon Davis            
Women's Strawweight: Istela Nunes vs. Ariane Carnelossi   
I'm liking this card, as long as there's no late pull outs due to Covid19 or otherwise,  I think it'll be a competitive night across the board. Particularly interested in the  Andrew Sanchez vs Bruno Silva, glad that'll be in the Apex. I've quite liked what I've seen from Sijara Eubanks previously, and think she'll do well here. I'd say a pretty good start to the night for the preliminaries.

Main card, has some good match ups too. The main event will of course be entertaining, and I'm sure some of the more casual fans will be complaining about there being another womans fight headlining, but I've never really understood that attitude. Recently, their fights have been some of the more exicint ones.

I am definitely gonna watch Arlovski vs Felipe fight. Arlovski is experienced, but old. Once he was UFC champion, now he looks old I must say. Belly starts to appear. Felipe is young, fat and dangerous. He has a good UFC record of 3-1 (11-1 overall). This will be young vs experienced.

I'm fancying a go the distance bet here. I'll check the odds later, but them being on the heavier side, and having a oldie against a young fighter, might give us some good odds.
2710  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [ BOXING POLL ADDED ]: Fury vs Wilder III - THE TRILOGY IS BACK ON !!! on: October 12, 2021, 12:26:41 AM
I wasn't particularly impressed by Fury. I'm used to seeing him moving, ducking, weaving, and feinting all night long, but he seemed quite stationary in this trilogy. Considering he knows the power of Deontay I was somewhat confused how he was willing to just sit there waiting to be hit, and it isn't like it didn't happen on the night, Wilder landed better shots this time around, than he did previously I think. Maybe, apart from the huge knockdown in the first fight. Though, this is the most wobbly I've seen Fury in his entire career, which is worrying.

It's either because Fury changed his style a little bit, and knew that he would have to go for bigger punches instead of outclassing Wilder technically, because of the first fight result, he knows that bias could well bite him in the ass a second time, thus he decides to go the route of slugging it with probably one of the biggest power punches in boxing history. It was a very risky game plan, and I can't say he executed it perfectly as he was clearly rocked, however he did win twice out of the two times he deployed it, and won via a finish each time, so I can't be overly critical.

Fury is the type of boxer that rises, and sinks to his opponents level. When he's challenged he changes up his style to what he thinks is the best way of winning, and up until this point in his career it has worked, though I can't say it was a comfortable watch, watching him fight fire with fire with minimal head movement. Actually, the only time he seemed to move his head was when Wilder was swinging big, and either connecting or missing marginally.

What do you think Wilder will do next to try to salvage his career now?

The only way he can fight for the heavyweight titles now is by becoming a mandatory challenger and that can only happen if he wins a couple of comeback fights.

Does Wilder even still have it in him to retain a high level of dedication now after Fury showed him over 3 fights exactly how inept he was when confronted with a superior colossal fighting machine (in Fury).
He'll continue fighting the sort of caliber he was fighting prior to Fury. Lets be honest, he absolutely did take a step up to Fury compared to his previous competition. Most of the bigger named fighters he previously fought were past their prime. Although, I'm not trying to discredit him, he's quite obviously a massive threat to anyone that steps in the ring with him.

2711  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 🥊 The UFC Info and Prediction Thread on: October 11, 2021, 10:12:20 PM
Can anyone remember what the scores were for the main event? I felt like it was fairly close by the judges, right?

If you guys think last weekend’s card was full of unknowns and low level fighters then the next event is gonna be a rough one.  Lol.  Cheesy
Not just unknowns, but I just thought the match ups were pretty bad. However, that did actually make for some entertaining KO's. I'll be honest, I slightly complained about it being a rather lackluster event, and I did get to watch it because it was on at a totally different time to the boxing, and I thought it was brilliant. Well, probably not a night I'll remember for long, but it was much better than I was expecting.
2712  Other / Meta / Re: Maximum posts allowed per day on: October 11, 2021, 10:05:55 PM
If you had used the search tool available on the forum, you'll eventually find a official reply from Welsh (circa 2017) regarding that topic:
Try not to take my posts as official. I'd recommend only taking theymos' word has official, and every other users as their interpretation. Basically, there isn't a whole lot of rules that are set in concrete, and theymos allows personal interpretation of the rules to some degree. Thus, moderators opinions can somewhat differ from time to time. However, if a staff user is wandering a little too far from the guidelines, theymos is likely to give them a message. In fact, I'd describe the vast majority of the standards set by theymos as guidelines, while there only being a few that are enforced like strict rules, i.e plagiarism.

Although, back to the point. What I say is only my interpretation of the broad rules theymos has outlined. Thus, you'll see the ever popular mprep's thread on the unofficial guidelines as exactly that; unofficial.

so do  we say I do the most per day on average maybe 11 no one should be able to go over 11.

I do not think so. Just report it(spam) and it does go away.
I guess it depends, however consistently posting that amount is difficult. Though, someone who doesn't have the time restraints that you might have, might actually be able to consistently post over that amount. After all, 11 posts a day isn't that bad at all. Though, it's the consistency part I think most users struggle with, or aren't bothered by. They come here in their spare time, and they might have a lot of spare time on x number of days, and then be completely rammed for time for the other days, thus they might peak higher than 11 posts in a singular day.   
2713  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: The UFC Info and Prediction Thread on: October 07, 2021, 08:44:12 PM
Depending on the times, which I've yet to confirm I might not be able to catch some of the main card with the Fury Vs Wilder fight. This is probably the only time I've preferred a boxing fight over a UFC event, and the main reason for that isn't because I quite like Fury, but because I'm not really looking forward to this UFC event. I find the card quite weak, and while I'm sure there will be some decent fights in there, I think I'd rather watch the boxing with the crowd.

I will however try, and get some of my predictions out tomorrow or Saturday before it all kicks off. At the moment, I'm thinking that the Dern fight could go the distance, and with Dern at 7.00 for a decision win, that's quite appealing. I'll probably be going for that on the off chance that it makes the full rounds.
2714  Bitcoin / Wallet software / Re: For All Of You That Still Think SMS For 2FA For Wallets Is Or Was Safe. on: October 07, 2021, 08:37:00 PM
Let's be honest, anything outside of Android and iOS is dead in terms of mobile OS Grin
Pretty much, I wouldn't recommend any other operating system to anyone, and the beauty about it, there's various open source ROMs out there for all your customization needs, without need to root your phone. Whether you want a custom rom for the customization it offers aesthetically, or the added functionality. As far as I know, Apple doesn't allow you to do this, without rooting the phone which is a security risk in itself, at least if it isn't used correctly, and not carefully managed.

Speaking of banks, I know there are some which offer using your debit card as a 2FA method. You either connect up a card reader via USB to your computer to prove possession of the debit card, or your card reader uses your debit card as the shared secret to produce a 2FA code, before you are allowed to log in to your online bank account. It's a nice solution since it is effectively a hardware key but using something that everyone has in their possession already.
Yeah, my old bank used to have this facility. It kind of looked like a hardware wallet, except it had numbers directly on it, rather than using a interface like Trezor does. I do prefer Trezor's approach, though banks might have significantly improved these days.
2715  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 12 years today since the first known price was set for BTC on: October 06, 2021, 09:37:14 PM
What I usually tell people who say they wish they had invested in Bitcoin earlier and then sell of in 2017 for huge profits is that; if you cannot hold for the next ten years now with the price history, you would have not held when there was little information about it even if you knew about it.
It's a common thought process, but you're likely right. This is usually the argument I bring up when someone says they wish they got in earlier, to make a profit back into Bitcoin. In all likelihood they would have sold before it ever got to the all time high. However, it's within our psychology to regret something that was probably unlikely to happen, even if you were to do x at the right time. It's the butterfly effect in well...effect. If they invested at the best possible time, two years later they would have doubled, tripled their money, and likely would have thought that was the best time to withdraw.

The thing is, there's two ends of the spectrum, either you regret not getting in early or you actually believe in Bitcoin as a currency, and could potentially miss the best money making opportunity in your life. I for one, can't promise anyone what the best thing to do is despite having quite a strong belief in Bitcoin. Though, it certainly has its faults, and  I've mentioned it before, it might not actually be THE solution to our problem, however it most certainly is the step in the right direction, and might actually prove to be the foundation that we build on for better control over our money, whether that means Bitcoin will be the currency to solve our problems depends on the world's needs, and the progress we make with development, adoption, and various other factors. However, it is possible that Bitcoin gets replaced by something better, hence why it would be the foundations that created the thought process needed to better our control over our own money.

I don't actually think we're close to that though, and it might never happen. I think it all depends on how Bitcoin is perceived by the masses, and it's development in the next few years, and whether anything else revolutionary comes into play.
2716  Bitcoin / Wallet software / Re: For All Of You That Still Think SMS For 2FA For Wallets Is Or Was Safe. on: October 06, 2021, 09:22:38 PM
Was actually thinking while driving home, how difficult would it be for an exchange (or bank) to have an 2FA app that is tied to a phone or device by IMEI or serial number.
I don't actually know what privilege's apps have on which mobile OS but I think that could help a lot of security issues.
If your using a recent version of Android then it needs to specifically request, and be granted the privileges. Though, I can't actually verify that, since I use custom operating systems on my phone, which have this ability, though I'm pretty sure since Android 10 you have to give permissions for most things.  

Although, I'm pretty sure it's relatively easy to spoof a IMEI number, and you shouldn't really be giving it out if you don't want to open up yourself to attacks via that method, or be identified through the IMEI. Most apps, if not all non system applications shouldn't have access to it.

I can't speak for Apple or any other variation of operating systems for mobiles. However, for anything involving Bitcoin, especially when your acting as your own bank, you should probably be looking for the most secure way possible, so physical isolation, and using a hardware key would be the best approach. I personally, wouldn't recommend using something like your phone that you use for other things, and could potentially be compromised through negligence. For example, I've seen android users be very negligent in the permissions they give to applications, even with the improved permissions system that custom operating systems have, and I believe the latest Android versions.
2717  Bitcoin / Wallet software / Re: For All Of You That Still Think SMS For 2FA For Wallets Is Or Was Safe. on: October 06, 2021, 08:02:04 PM
To this day, banks are using two factor authentication (2FA) as a way of securing your bank account, i.e authorising who can log in, send payments, and whatever else you can do with a bank account these days. The fact that they even offer this should have you questioning the true security of banks, it's often said that security specialists have a stronger, and more secure network at home, than many of the workplaces they work in, even government based ones.

Plus, the fact is that you can take control of your money completely, without actually making it any less insecure, in fact you can make your money more secure with Bitcoin. This is something that I've tried explaining over the years to anyone who said that I wouldn't be as qualified as a multi billion pound bank securing my money, but despite trying to explain, they never really grasp the idea of storing your money inside an address that was generated offline, the fact that you can get air gap computers, use non digital ways of key generation, and there's a whole lot of headaches when you try, and explain it this way. However, bringing up the issue with 2FA with SMS, and the fact that banks are still using this today, could be a way of explaining the security flaws in traditional banks, and how they could actually make it more secure by securing the money themselves inside Bitcoin, whether or not they intend on using it as a currency or a reserve doesn't matter for this point (ignoring volatility).  

This is part of the reason that a hardware key is such a good 2FA method, because it is by design a second factor, and cannot possibly be part of a single point of failure (unless you do something stupid like leave it permanently plugged in to your laptop).
This is something I'm actually incredibly passionate about; compartmentalization either via physical breaks, i.e completely different computers or virtualisation via Qubes OS. You could potentially come up with a decent 2FA method via Qubes OS, and depending on your threat model that could suffice. However, I would always recommend physical isolation whenever possible. You could go as far to say that a device on the same network, could become a problem if your trying to use two factor authentication, though I think I'll leave that for another day.  

*Hand Raised.
It almost always comes down to convenience. I'll use the cliche saying of; the human is the point of failure. That's true for almost every thing I can imagine, there are ways to secure your Bitcoin, accounts or whatever you want, however the vast majority, even those that are security conscious ignore it, simply due to it being not convenient.  

It all comes down to the risk associated, and your personal threat model as I mentioned above. If you are a pretty low target, aren't someone famous, then your unlikely to be targeted, and that might be a reason to lower your threat model. That's just one of the examples I could think of off the top of my head, but I'm sure there's plenty more.

I think each, and everyone one of us at some point has ignored some sort of security concern, this might be due to laziness, not fully understanding the issue at hand or simply because you didn't deem the risk high enough to take action.

I absolutely second the idea of a hardware key though. It's specifically designed for it, and it somewhat removes the inconvenience that you might run into with other methods.
2718  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 12 years today since the first known price was set for BTC on: October 06, 2021, 07:52:02 PM
How times have changed, majority of people at the time had little idea at the time that this technology was going to have such a huge impact.

That was quite an interesting way to determine the price of Bitcoin, and how different the market would be if it was used today. I assume it would be quite difficult to do now as Bitcoin is now worldwide and determine a cost of electricity is not feasible, so there cannot be a definite value.
I'll be honest, I was very much one of these people that overlooked Bitcoin, albeit I got in much later than 2009. I'm definitely not going to be claiming that I foreseen the possibilities, and technical advantages that Bitcoin would bring to the world, at least not initially. In fact, if my memory serves me correctly, I initially looked into Bitcoin, and decided not to get into it after a brief bit of research. I can't actually remember what convinced me to take a look at it again, there wasn't a awful amount of news around this time, and I was probably just looking at alternatives to payment processors.

I think it's safe to say since then Bitcoin has significantly impacted my life, even from a lifestyle point of view, and has also shaped some of my views around the banking systems, and how much to value privacy. Even things which aren't directly connected to Bitcoin.
2719  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: [ BOXING POLL ADDED ]: Fury vs Wilder III - THE TRILOGY IS BACK ON !!! on: October 06, 2021, 07:36:10 PM

I watched highlights of both fights and there is no doubt Fury was the better fighter in the first. Wilder had odd moments here and there where he tried unleash those ferocious right hands and couple of times he rattled Fury but for a big man of 6'9'' such as Fury to be knocked down like that in the 12th and final round, it shows great spirit for him to get up and then end the round as the dominant fighter.

He carried on in the same spirit in the second fight but destroyed Wilder. Fury is one of the best heavyweight fighters I have seen in many years, he is on a different level to the current crop of fighters.
I've watched that knock down by Wilder a few times, and I've yet to come to the conclusion if Fury was ever knocked out. I did consider that potentially the first punch of the combination actually rocked him, and the second might have woken him up a little. However, if you look at the landing that Fury took, it seems that he intentionally broke his fall with what I believe was his left arm if my memory serves me well.

Normally, when someone loses consciousness they aren't going to have that sort of reaction, instead their arms, and legs sort of go in free mode, and flop everywhere. He seemed to control the descent, and potentially even rode the shots to a degree. He also looked to be awake on the ground, albeit maybe a little bit shocked, and but he kept this sort of death stare, and got up composed, and quite frankly I thought he survived the onslaught of Wilder's attacks directly after that, and might have potential won the last minute of the fight rocking Wilder with a counter punch.

The most memorable part for me, and this by be one of the most memorable boxing moments in recent history for me is how Wilder reacted. First of all he's dancing convinced that he had won the fight, and Fury rises out of nowhere, and Wilder's face was just pure shock. I think that rattled him more than any of Fury's shots that night, he was completely dumbfounded, as well as I how Fury managed to get up after those two monstrous hits.
2720  Other / Meta / Re: apology on: October 06, 2021, 07:28:22 PM
If there is an email address included in the ban message on the account, then you can email that to appeal the ban. However, if it is just a message telling you, that you're banned, then it is unlikely you'll get unbanned. Theymos briefly mentions it here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5089777.0.

Unfortunately, even if you didn't intend on breaking the rules, it's your responsibility to find the rules of a place that you're participating frequently in. If you do appeal, it would probably be best to focus on the specifics of why you were banned, and not on your living situation, since it just comes across as trying to guilt trip the user reviewing your case rather than actually taking responsibility for your actions.
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