Cricket match prediction discussions

[Juggy777]

Based on all the positives and negatives that Netherlands cricket is going through right now, as well as considering the current state of cricket in the Netherlands, my opinion is that they should continue to do well in T-20 cricket. Forget about Test cricket and one-day international cricket. They should focus exclusively on T-20 cricket from now on.

You know, one-day international cricket requires a substantial amount of skill. And it is also losing popularity right now just like test cricket. T20 is the most popular standard for cricket right now and it is also easier to improve in this format. There is no doubt that if the Netherlands cricket team concentrates on this format of cricket, they will be able to achieve success. But they will have to work hard.

In terms of funds and sponsors, the Dutch are in a good position. But in terms of grass roots development, they are in a horrible state. A number of cricket clubs, especially those based outside the capital region have closed down in the recent years. Two decades ago, the club players were 70% Dutch and 30% foreigner. Now it has reversed (70% expats and 30% Dutch). They are managing to stay competitive at the top level because some of the Dutch players are part of the county system (vdMerwe, vMeekeren, vdGugten, Klassen, deLeede, vBeek.etc). But the younger players are not coming through.

@Kro55 while Netherland’s have grown well, but they’re yet to scale it up and if they want to achieve constant success then they need to to groom their domestic cricket player’s well. @Sithara007 I totally agree with you and it’s really baffling to see because they have the funds yet they’re unable to make good use of it to groom their young player’s, however whenever they’re able to groom them then they’ll definitely achieve great success in the T20 format.

[kro55]

In terms of funds and sponsors, the Dutch are in a good position. But in terms of grass roots development, they are in a horrible state. A number of cricket clubs, especially those based outside the capital region have closed down in the recent years. Two decades ago, the club players were 70% Dutch and 30% foreigner. Now it has reversed (70% expats and 30% Dutch). They are managing to stay competitive at the top level because some of the Dutch players are part of the county system (vdMerwe, vMeekeren, vdGugten, Klassen, deLeede, vBeek.etc). But the younger players are not coming through.

In order to do that, they will have to make use of the money that they are getting right now. They will need to use that to attract young players interested in playing cricket. For Netherlands, I understand that one of the biggest problems is that kids aren't very interested in playing cricket. It is time for that to change. However, if the amount of money you receive is not going to be sufficient for you in your life, you are not willing to choose that work as your profession as long as you are not receiving that amount of money.

@Kro55 while Netherland’s have grown well, but they’re yet to scale it up and if they want to achieve constant success then they need to to groom their domestic cricket player’s well. @Sithara007 I totally agree with you and it’s really baffling to see because they have the funds yet they’re unable to make good use of it to groom their young player’s, however whenever they’re able to groom them then they’ll definitely achieve great success in the T20 format.

I don't know whether the money that Netherlands is receiving is actually being used to improve the game of cricket. Because I believe Netherlands team would have been able to do better if that money had been used properly. The improvements are just not visible as they should be. In order for Netherlands to be able to compete at the top level of cricket, or even at least among the top 10, they will need to improve in many ways.

[BobK71]

In terms of funds and sponsors, the Dutch are in a good position. But in terms of grass roots development, they are in a horrible state. A number of cricket clubs, especially those based outside the capital region have closed down in the recent years. Two decades ago, the club players were 70% Dutch and 30% foreigner. Now it has reversed (70% expats and 30% Dutch). They are managing to stay competitive at the top level because some of the Dutch players are part of the county system (vdMerwe, vMeekeren, vdGugten, Klassen, deLeede, vBeek.etc). But the younger players are not coming through.

In order to do that, they will have to make use of the money that they are getting right now. They will need to use that to attract young players interested in playing cricket. For Netherlands, I understand that one of the biggest problems is that kids aren't very interested in playing cricket. It is time for that to change. However, if the amount of money you receive is not going to be sufficient for you in your life, you are not willing to choose that work as your profession as long as you are not receiving that amount of money.

Netherlands has been playing cricket for a long time but there is no improvement in their game. There are various reasons behind this. Notable among them is that the residents do not take cricket very seriously. As a result there is no interest among newcomers. If new cricketers are not created then it is not possible to expect improvement in cricket. It is not possible to select good cricketers where there are no cricketers. If the attraction of cricket among the local people can be increased then it is possible to improve their cricket. But another thing is to note that if they can't do anything in cricket, they are trying to do better, which can be considered as a positive aspect.

[lixer]

Netherlands has been playing cricket for a long time but there is no improvement in their game. There are various reasons behind this. Notable among them is that the residents do not take cricket very seriously. As a result there is no interest among newcomers. If new cricketers are not created then it is not possible to expect improvement in cricket. It is not possible to select good cricketers where there are no cricketers. If the attraction of cricket among the local people can be increased then it is possible to improve their cricket. But another thing is to note that if they can't do anything in cricket, they are trying to do better, which can be considered as a positive aspect.

Netherlands and cricket is having very long relationship, but sadly they have never been good team due to lack of interest and having better infrastructure into the Netherlands but now with the introduction of t20 we can expect good changes which will bring better finances and results as well for the local players with mostly they have native players those are involved in different domestic leagues it's good for them to have better results in near future right now they are having 17th rank in ODI and 15th in T20i which mean we can expect good changes and better quality and performance which will encourage next generation which will have better results as well right now mostly are involved in Soccer and Field Hockey.

[Sithara007]

Netherlands has been playing cricket for a long time but there is no improvement in their game. There are various reasons behind this. Notable among them is that the residents do not take cricket very seriously. As a result there is no interest among newcomers. If new cricketers are not created then it is not possible to expect improvement in cricket. It is not possible to select good cricketers where there are no cricketers. If the attraction of cricket among the local people can be increased then it is possible to improve their cricket. But another thing is to note that if they can't do anything in cricket, they are trying to do better, which can be considered as a positive aspect.

The history of cricket in Netherlands is older than that in India. They have some of the oldest cricket clubs in the world. But two decades of apathy from the ICC has taken it's toll. The popularity of cricket went down by a lot since 2000. Now it is increasingly being viewed as a sport played by the expats. You can find the same pattern in the neighboring countries such as Danmark as well. Scotland and Ireland escaped this trap. The latter improved their cricket as a result of inflow of additional funds from the ICC ever since they got the test status, while the former do have some very competent administrators who cared about cricket.

[posi]

Netherlands has been playing cricket for a long time but there is no improvement in their game. There are various reasons behind this. Notable among them is that the residents do not take cricket very seriously. As a result there is no interest among newcomers. If new cricketers are not created then it is not possible to expect improvement in cricket. It is not possible to select good cricketers where there are no cricketers. If the attraction of cricket among the local people can be increased then it is possible to improve their cricket. But another thing is to note that if they can't do anything in cricket, they are trying to do better, which can be considered as a positive aspect.

The history of cricket in Netherlands is older than that in India. They have some of the oldest cricket clubs in the world. But two decades of apathy from the ICC has taken it's toll. The popularity of cricket went down by a lot since 2000. Now it is increasingly being viewed as a sport played by the expats. You can find the same pattern in the neighboring countries such as Danmark as well. Scotland and Ireland escaped this trap. The latter improved their cricket as a result of inflow of additional funds from the ICC ever since they got the test status, while the former do have some very competent administrators who cared about cricket.

Netherlands could do well in cricket if both they and the ICC were concerned about their performance. I really do not think that the ICC actually cares about Netherlands cricket at all anymore.

There is no doubt that not having enough interest in cricket has also affected the performance of Netherlands cricket team as well.

Not having enough money is also something that inspired the young generation to not take cricket as a profession. Now it is being played by foreign players in Netherlands cricket team. Very few native players in Netherlands team are actively playing cricket as their main profession.

[SirLancelot]

Netherlands could do well in cricket if both they and the ICC were concerned about their performance. I really do not think that the ICC actually cares about Netherlands cricket at all anymore.

There is no doubt that not having enough interest in cricket has also affected the performance of Netherlands cricket team as well.

Not having enough money is also something that inspired the young generation to not take cricket as a profession. Now it is being played by foreign players in Netherlands cricket team. Very few native players in Netherlands team are actively playing cricket as their main profession.

Due to poor management of ICC cricket quality is going down badly with mostly countries are having no structure and no assistance which is needed here we have very good things from FIFA for the soccer development but sadly in ICC no one interested in development, and mostly we have issues just for the spread of funds and secondly now in few countries cricket is having not good marketing as well but with the introduction of The hundred, T10 and T20 we can do few things better which will increase popularity and business as well but foremost we need a solid policy and management from ICC top members specially Pig-3 needs to be more concerned about this game or give equal rights to all boards as well Netherlands re-entry is good, and they can do better this time which could be good for the game in European region.

[Sithara007]

Due to poor management of ICC cricket quality is going down badly with mostly countries are having no structure and no assistance which is needed here we have very good things from FIFA for the soccer development but sadly in ICC no one interested in development, and mostly we have issues just for the spread of funds and secondly now in few countries cricket is having not good marketing as well but with the introduction of The hundred, T10 and T20 we can do few things better which will increase popularity and business as well but foremost we need a solid policy and management from ICC top members specially Pig-3 needs to be more concerned about this game or give equal rights to all boards as well Netherlands re-entry is good, and they can do better this time which could be good for the game in European region.

This has been debated many times before, and I don't know whether we can expect any changes. Fund allocation for associate members were reduced by more than 60% during the 2015-23 cycle, and this effectively killed cricket in countries such as Kenya, Nepal and Netherlands. On top of that, the funding model was redistributed, giving preference to teams with foreign players such as United States, United Arab Emirates and Oman. And finally since cricket is not an Olympic sports, none of these smaller countries receive any grants or loans from their respective governments.

[posi]

Due to poor management of ICC cricket quality is going down badly with mostly countries are having no structure and no assistance which is needed here we have very good things from FIFA for the soccer development but sadly in ICC no one interested in development, and mostly we have issues just for the spread of funds and secondly now in few countries cricket is having not good marketing as well but with the introduction of The hundred, T10 and T20 we can do few things better which will increase popularity and business as well but foremost we need a solid policy and management from ICC top members specially Pig-3 needs to be more concerned about this game or give equal rights to all boards as well Netherlands re-entry is good, and they can do better this time which could be good for the game in European region.

This has been debated many times before, and I don't know whether we can expect any changes. Fund allocation for associate members were reduced by more than 60% during the 2015-23 cycle, and this effectively killed cricket in countries such as Kenya, Nepal and Netherlands. On top of that, the funding model was redistributed, giving preference to teams with foreign players such as United States, United Arab Emirates and Oman. And finally since cricket is not an Olympic sports, none of these smaller countries receive any grants or loans from their respective governments.

I thought it was a really bad move by the ICC. Reducing the fund for associate countries was absolutely the road to make. ICC absolutely did not understand that if new teams are not interested in cricket, the money that is going to be generated is eventually going to be reduced. 10–15 teams are only going to be able to generate so much revenue. At least there should be 30 teams playing cricket regularly. And in the World Cup, we should also be able to see at least 25 to 30 teams competing against each other. But instead, we get a World Cup that is played by 15 teams maximum. And a few old teams are losing its way because of not having enough funds. Even though it does not feel like Cricket is dying right now, I can assure you that cricket will be dying very soon if this continues.

[eaLiTy]

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I thought it was a really bad move by the ICC. Reducing the fund for associate countries was absolutely the road to make. ICC absolutely did not understand that if new teams are not interested in cricket, the money that is going to be generated is eventually going to be reduced. 10–15 teams are only going to be able to generate so much revenue.

If ICC have unlimited funds they would be sending plenty of money to every country, it is business after all and they are providing a grand to develop the sport and consider them as bonus.

At least there should be 30 teams playing cricket regularly. And in the World Cup, we should also be able to see at least 25 to 30 teams competing against each other. But instead, we get a World Cup that is played by 15 teams maximum. And a few old teams are losing its way because of not having enough funds. Even though it does not feel like Cricket is dying right now, I can assure you that cricket will be dying very soon if this continues.

Hope you understand that increasing the number of teams alone will not bring in the revenue, you need people to watch the sport as well and if that was the case we would not be talking about revenues other countries are getting in the first place .

[noormcs5]

As we all know that Ramiz Raja's stance was very clear that if India comes to Pakistan to play in the Asia Cup, only then Pakistan will send its cricket team to India to play in the World Cup 2023.

"We won't go if they don't come"

But now according to some news (s) Rameez Raja will be removed as PCB chairman. And most likely the new PCB chairman will be Najam Sethi (current govt's puppet)

News link: https://www.geosuper.tv/latest/21012-ramiz-raja-likely-to-be-removed-as-pcb-chairman-sources

So the question is, will the new chairman also take this stand?

Even right now, with the current Pakistani situation I have doubt Ramiz Raja is going to remove but in case current government done this all then surely it's going to be big setback for the Pakistan game and purely this will be political based because current government is clearly doing all things which were not allowed in Imran Khan regime, so they are clearly favouring all things which are bringing Pakistan more down in many ways specially having stance like this is clearly alarming that current authorities never want any clear stance about this all, and they want to allow Pakistan for having tour to India for the World Cup.

If Pakistan has Najam Sethi as their next PCB chairman then surely Pakistan will visit India and India will be also not visiting Pakistan for the Asia Cup or this event will be transferred from Pakistan to any other country.

So politics is too much involved in the decision making process of the Pakistan cricket board?

If their chairman is changed and the new PCB chairman agree to play Asia Cup at neutral ground, it will be a big set back for the Pakistan cricket board as the world and ICC will think that they have agreed whatever BCCI and ICC wants them to do.

I wonder what will be the reaction of people of Pakistan if this actually happens  

[Sithara007]

So politics is too much involved in the decision making process of the Pakistan cricket board?

If their chairman is changed and the new PCB chairman agree to play Asia Cup at neutral ground, it will be a big set back for the Pakistan cricket board as the world and ICC will think that they have agreed whatever BCCI and ICC wants them to do.

I wonder what will be the reaction of people of Pakistan if this actually happens  

The entire controversy was started by Jay Shah, to divert attention from the sacking of Sourav Ganguly as the BCCI chairman. I think India will visit Pakistan to participate in the Asia Cup and this controversy will be put to rest. There is no logic in India refusing to visit Pakistan, when the latter are ready to tour India for the ODI world cup later next year. ICC should take a neutral decision here, but I don't know whether they will be able to do that or not, especially given the fact that pig-4 nominee Barclay is the chairman.

[YinShuiSiYuan]

So politics is too much involved in the decision making process of the Pakistan cricket board?

If their chairman is changed and the new PCB chairman agree to play Asia Cup at neutral ground, it will be a big set back for the Pakistan cricket board as the world and ICC will think that they have agreed whatever BCCI and ICC wants them to do.

I wonder what will be the reaction of people of Pakistan if this actually happens  

The entire controversy was started by Jay Shah, to divert attention from the sacking of Sourav Ganguly as the BCCI chairman. I think India will visit Pakistan to participate in the Asia Cup and this controversy will be put to rest. There is no logic in India refusing to visit Pakistan, when the latter are ready to tour India for the ODI world cup later next year. ICC should take a neutral decision here, but I don't know whether they will be able to do that or not, especially given the fact that pig-4 nominee Barclay is the chairman.

Yes that's the dilemma politics is controlling everything in Pakistan,  every field and sectors and all top posts are selected politically . Now this decision of Ramiz raja was total political , how can prime minister change chairman just because of one test series and by looking at Pakistan performance in all previous tournaments that was outstanding is totally baseless.  So this is not making any sense at all , just because of this Asia Cup issue and world cup issue this is happening.

[posi]

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I thought it was a really bad move by the ICC. Reducing the fund for associate countries was absolutely the road to make. ICC absolutely did not understand that if new teams are not interested in cricket, the money that is going to be generated is eventually going to be reduced. 10–15 teams are only going to be able to generate so much revenue.

If ICC have unlimited funds they would be sending plenty of money to every country, it is business after all and they are providing a grand to develop the sport and consider them as bonus.

At least there should be 30 teams playing cricket regularly. And in the World Cup, we should also be able to see at least 25 to 30 teams competing against each other. But instead, we get a World Cup that is played by 15 teams maximum. And a few old teams are losing its way because of not having enough funds. Even though it does not feel like Cricket is dying right now, I can assure you that cricket will be dying very soon if this continues.

Hope you understand that increasing the number of teams alone will not bring in the revenue, you need people to watch the sport as well and if that was the case we would not be talking about revenues other countries are getting in the first place .

But for generating enough revenue, there will have to be a good enough amount of teams playing cricket regularly. And for that to happen and for ICC to get a good enough revenue, people will have to be interested in cricket.

And I think making people interested in cricket is something that ICC should start doing. I cannot say that I have seen any attempt from the ICC to make cricket interesting towards the people around the whole world. Cricket is not even in that bad situation right now. I think cricket can be saved, actually, I should say the future of cricket can be saved if ICC takes some necessary steps.

ICC is not going to get better revenue if more and more people do not get interested in cricket.

[Haunebu]

And I think making people interested in cricket is something that ICC should start doing. I cannot say that I have seen any attempt from the ICC to make cricket interesting towards the people around the whole world. Cricket is not even in that bad situation right now. I think cricket can be saved, actually, I should say the future of cricket can be saved if ICC takes some necessary steps.

ICC is not going to get better revenue if more and more people do not get interested in cricket.

What a load of nonsense. Cricket is the second most popular sport in the world and leagues like the IPL are some of the most popular and expensive leagues globally which is why your reasoning makes zero sense.

The ICC are just another corrupt organization who will continue focusing more on countries like India, Pakistan, Australia etc where cricket is extremely popular for financial reasons primarily.

However, they have been slowly and steadily diverting some of their focus towards new cricket friendly nations these days.

[fullhdpixel]

And I think making people interested in cricket is something that ICC should start doing. I cannot say that I have seen any attempt from the ICC to make cricket interesting towards the people around the whole world. Cricket is not even in that bad situation right now. I think cricket can be saved, actually, I should say the future of cricket can be saved if ICC takes some necessary steps.

ICC is not going to get better revenue if more and more people do not get interested in cricket.

What a load of nonsense. Cricket is the second most popular sport in the world and leagues like the IPL are some of the most popular and expensive leagues globally which is why your reasoning makes zero sense.

The ICC are just another corrupt organization who will continue focusing more on countries like India, Pakistan, Australia etc where cricket is extremely popular for financial reasons primarily.

However, they have been slowly and steadily diverting some of their focus towards new cricket friendly nations these days.

Money, Mafia and corruption is now a part of the society we can't avoid these things and life is also not easy without their involvement for the higher profile peoples now it's all in blood of this generation as many are having dream to be rich very quickly with few are achieving their goals with the help of technology and their genius minds, but most of they are trying to achieve these things with the involvement of this all.

I remember we have a soccer match between Diego Maradona and Michel Platini elevens for the spirit of the game and Diego Maradona's motto was drugs free sports and Michel Platini's motto was corruption free spots and after this match we have Diego Maradona involved in drugs and Michel Platini was sacked from UEFA for the involvement in corruption which is best picture of this all era so how can you expect ICC will be corruption free, and we will be having things on merit while we have countries like India and Pakistan.

[Haunebu]

I remember we have a soccer match between Diego Maradona and Michel Platini elevens for the spirit of the game and Diego Maradona's motto was drugs free sports and Michel Platini's motto was corruption free spots and after this match we have Diego Maradona involved in drugs and Michel Platini was sacked from UEFA for the involvement in corruption which is best picture of this all era so how can you expect ICC will be corruption free, and we will be having things on merit while we have countries like India and Pakistan.

Agreed. Maradona is the symbol of craziness and despair despite being one of the best players in the world of football all thanks to his insane real-life persona. Messi is way better than him as a player and as a person.

ICC will never change their corrupt ways, but they need to get rid of some of their archaic rules and install new ones in their place asap.

[ZAINmalik75]

So politics is too much involved in the decision making process of the Pakistan cricket board?

If their chairman is changed and the new PCB chairman agree to play Asia Cup at neutral ground, it will be a big set back for the Pakistan cricket board as the world and ICC will think that they have agreed whatever BCCI and ICC wants them to do.

I wonder what will be the reaction of people of Pakistan if this actually happens  

The entire controversy was started by Jay Shah, to divert attention from the sacking of Sourav Ganguly as the BCCI chairman. I think India will visit Pakistan to participate in the Asia Cup and this controversy will be put to rest. There is no logic in India refusing to visit Pakistan, when the latter are ready to tour India for the ODI world cup later next year. ICC should take a neutral decision here, but I don't know whether they will be able to do that or not, especially given the fact that pig-4 nominee Barclay is the chairman.

Yes that's the dilemma politics is controlling everything in Pakistan,  every field and sectors and all top posts are selected politically.

Yeh it's totally true that in both Asian country like Pakistan and India politician control everything like touring any country or participating in any competition and selection of his cricket team chairman. Now after removal of ramiz Raja everyone know that he has been removed due his tough decisions and strong stances against India. I am pretty sure that new PCB chairman will shift the venue of Asia Cup from Pakistan which ramiz raja didn't want and also Pakistan will visit India for World Cup which also ramiz raja didn't want. So the main point is that every decision will be from government not from the behalf of civilian favor.

[BobK71]

So politics is too much involved in the decision making process of the Pakistan cricket board?

If their chairman is changed and the new PCB chairman agree to play Asia Cup at neutral ground, it will be a big set back for the Pakistan cricket board as the world and ICC will think that they have agreed whatever BCCI and ICC wants them to do.

I wonder what will be the reaction of people of Pakistan if this actually happens  

The entire controversy was started by Jay Shah, to divert attention from the sacking of Sourav Ganguly as the BCCI chairman. I think India will visit Pakistan to participate in the Asia Cup and this controversy will be put to rest. There is no logic in India refusing to visit Pakistan, when the latter are ready to tour India for the ODI world cup later next year. ICC should take a neutral decision here, but I don't know whether they will be able to do that or not, especially given the fact that pig-4 nominee Barclay is the chairman.

Yes that's the dilemma politics is controlling everything in Pakistan,  every field and sectors and all top posts are selected politically.

Yeh it's totally true that in both Asian country like Pakistan and India politician control everything like touring any country or participating in any competition and selection of his cricket team chairman. Now after removal of ramiz Raja everyone know that he has been removed due his tough decisions and strong stances against India. I am pretty sure that new PCB chairman will shift the venue of Asia Cup from Pakistan which ramiz raja didn't want and also Pakistan will visit India for World Cup which also ramiz raja didn't want. So the main point is that every decision will be from government not from the behalf of civilian favor.

At present, democracy is limited to paper only. The countries in Asia that talk more about democracy are less democratic. Politics is now not only in a specific situation. Politics today is not only rooted in every level of basic human needs. Now it has a tight control over the hub of human entertainment. Pakistan, India and Bangladesh are all countries whose cricket boards are completely controlled by politicians. That's not a problem either. But in a democratic country, when any decision is taken ignoring the people, there will be room for criticism.

[posi]

And I think making people interested in cricket is something that ICC should start doing. I cannot say that I have seen any attempt from the ICC to make cricket interesting towards the people around the whole world. Cricket is not even in that bad situation right now. I think cricket can be saved, actually, I should say the future of cricket can be saved if ICC takes some necessary steps.
ICC is not going to get better revenue if more and more people do not get interested in cricket.

What a load of nonsense. Cricket is the second most popular sport in the world and leagues like the IPL are some of the most popular and expensive leagues globally which is why your reasoning makes zero sense.
The ICC are just another corrupt organization who will continue focusing more on countries like India, Pakistan, Australia etc where cricket is extremely popular for financial reasons primarily.
However, they have been slowly and steadily diverting some of their focus towards new cricket friendly nations these days.

So let me get this straight. Just because cricket is the second most popular sport in the whole world.
So, it does not need to expand the number of teams that play in the World Cup?
And it also can be allowed to have corruption?

~leagues like the IPL are some of the most popular and expensive leagues globally

90% of the audience for the IPL are Indians. Nice work, achieving global audiences.

And why is the World Cup of such a popular game, cricket has only 12–15 teams in it?