Cricket match prediction discussions

[wiss19]

Migrant workers in the United Arab Emirates and Oman are mostly the temporary ones. They work in these Emirates for a couple of years and then return to India or Pakistan. Now creating national cricket teams out of these players doesn't make any sense because the loyalties lie with their native countries and not with UAE or Oman. A few weeks ago, there was a match between Nepal and UAE being staged in Dubai. Despite the match being hosted by UAE, there was not a single fan in the stadium who supported that team. On the other hand, Nepal was being supported by thousands of fans.

I understand this all situation but still if they want to enjoy then surely need to change their policies or having better strategy for bringing things which increase interest of local peoples, and they will be able to have quality players in future as well or leave this all because peoples are not interested, and they are doing bad things which will hurt other countries which are working on merit but sadly have no enough sources.

Even no one can force ICC or relative boards to bring better policies for adopting this all because we are no enough powerful to convey them for having things in this way with right now money is main thing, and they are taking good advantage after allowing these Gulf region countries for having teams with adopted players which are against the spirit of the game.

[YinShuiSiYuan]

Migrant workers in the United Arab Emirates and Oman are mostly the temporary ones. They work in these Emirates for a couple of years and then return to India or Pakistan. Now creating national cricket teams out of these players doesn't make any sense because the loyalties lie with their native countries and not with UAE or Oman. A few weeks ago, there was a match between Nepal and UAE being staged in Dubai. Despite the match being hosted by UAE, there was not a single fan in the stadium who supported that team. On the other hand, Nepal was being supported by thousands of fans.

I understand this all situation but still if they want to enjoy then surely need to change their policies or having better strategy for bringing things which increase interest of local peoples, and they will be able to have quality players in future as well or leave this all because peoples are not interested, and they are doing bad things which will hurt other countries which are working on merit but sadly have no enough sources.

Even no one can force ICC or relative boards to bring better policies for adopting this all because we are no enough powerful to convey them for having things in this way with right now money is main thing, and they are taking good advantage after allowing these Gulf region countries for having teams with adopted players which are against the spirit of the game.

The players from other countries who are temporarily settled in UAE or Oman they are there to earn money and this is also one way of earning money for them and this is some really good and decent income.  Otherwise all of us know how Pakistani, Bnagladeshi and Indian labourers endup in middle-east hard life that mostly cost them their lives.
And Mark my words the people who are settled in UAE they never want to come back.

[Tony116]

Even I agreed about these all statics but still I have to explain one thing mostly players those are coming in these teams are not from grassroots which is the biggest issue mostly these are coming from their countries for jobs and other stuff and now representing these countries without their citizenship level which is main issue if they have players from their system then surely no one talk about this all because all understand how life is going here in these Gulf countries, but sadly they are not following criteria they are just hiring players which are fail to have any chance in their native country and enjoying here.
With there is no doubt about this all Gulf is second home for the Indians as they have strong base here and long term connections but still here these Arabs are not allowing mostly peoples their citizenship because they are still trying to increase domestic population or having peoples those are doing best in few departments like education, health and computer management.

Migrant workers in the United Arab Emirates and Oman are mostly the temporary ones. They work in these Emirates for a couple of years and then return to India or Pakistan. Now creating national cricket teams out of these players doesn't make any sense because the loyalties lie with their native countries and not with UAE or Oman. A few weeks ago, there was a match between Nepal and UAE being staged in Dubai. Despite the match being hosted by UAE, there was not a single fan in the stadium who supported that team. On the other hand, Nepal was being supported by thousands of fans.

If the team was made up of local and native players, the support for the team was going to be from the heart.

But that is not the case here. Even the people who want to support the team know very well that those players are going to go back to their own country in no time. So there is actually no point supporting a team like that. He feels simply doesn't have passion for something, someone else is going to be better at that and you are not going to get the support you want. And I don't think it is about support for the players. It is most probably about the money.

[posi]

Why would a team be formed with foreign players? And why is there not a clear rule about that? As the sports body of cricket, ICC should concentrate on the most important thing for cricket, which is the survival of it. But it feels like Icc is not very worried about that. Otherwise, they should have made clear rules about it. There can be some foreign players on the national team. But it cannot be the whole 11 right?

As per the changed eligibility criteria from the ICC, any foreigner residing in another country for more than 6 months, either on a tourist visa or a work visa is eligible to play for that country. And there is no limit on the number of foreigners as well. It is very much possible to form a national team with 11 foreigners and zero natives. That is how teams like UAE and Oman are having teams comprised solely of foreigners. And the funding is linked to the performance. Teams with native players get less funding, because they can't compete against first-class players from India and Pakistan.

Everyone knows the eligibility criteria from the ICC. And that’s why people can strongly oppose that idea and I can also say that the idea is absolute bullshit. There is no reason for foreign people/players to represent a team that is the national team of that country. And that inherently indicates that the country which is giving the foreign players chances to play in the national team just doesn’t have good enough native players, or doesn’t give the professional cricketers an adequate amount of money.

[fullhdpixel]

Everyone knows the eligibility criteria from the ICC. And that’s why people can strongly oppose that idea and I can also say that the idea is absolute bullshit. There is no reason for foreign people/players to represent a team that is the national team of that country. And that inherently indicates that the country which is giving the foreign players chances to play in the national team just doesn’t have good enough native players, or doesn’t give the professional cricketers an adequate amount of money.

There is no eligibility criteria in ICC which is big problem because this sports organization is not run by former players mostly here we have businessmen which are doing things for their own view and ICC is surely needs to work as we have many other sports organizations which are working and developing their games and having good policies as well which are helping these games for having better results. Here we have few good countries with native players but sadly their performance is not going as we need just because of these countries which have adopted players, and they are enjoying good funds as well participation in Olympics was a positive way to bring positive changes, but now this is also not going to work because we have no enough paper work from ICC for joining this IOC.

[Patrol69]

Mankad Out
Why do Indian players give birth to the same controversies over and over again?  
There are various discussions and criticisms about this debate of theirs. "Mankad" out"may sound unfamiliar to everyone. Let's get familiar with unfamiliar words first.  Mankad out in cricket is one such type of out in cricket but no one likes or can accept this out. If the batsman leaves the bowling end crease before the bowler hits the stumps with the bowler's ball, the out is treated as a mancut out even if the out is included in the run out.  
Earlier in the IPL we saw Ravichandran Ashwin's dismissal of Jos Buttler which led to a lot of criticism. But after a year, Harshal Patel again tried such an out. In his last over, he planned such a dismissal to prevent the defeat of the team and as per his plan, when the batsman came out of the crease, he failed to put the ball on the stamp in the first instance, but later he put the ball on the stamp with a direct throw. Later when the third umpire was called, the third umpire declared the out not out as the ball was not stamped properly.  
Harshal Patel tried hard but could not prevent the team from losing and his team eventually lost to LSG by one wicket.

But I think the beauty of cricket is lost through such outs.  There are many rules for getting out in cricket, why did they not choose this method of mankad out again and again instead of getting out according to that rule. Bowlers who choose to make such dismissals should be ashamed of themselves.

What are your thoughts on this out?

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[posi]

Everyone knows the eligibility criteria from the ICC. And that’s why people can strongly oppose that idea and I can also say that the idea is absolute bullshit. There is no reason for foreign people/players to represent a team that is the national team of that country. And that inherently indicates that the country which is giving the foreign players chances to play in the national team just doesn’t have good enough native players, or doesn’t give the professional cricketers an adequate amount of money.

There is no eligibility criteria in ICC which is big problem because this sports organization is not run by former players mostly here we have businessmen which are doing things for their own view and ICC is surely needs to work as we have many other sports organizations which are working and developing their games and having good policies as well which are helping these games for having better results. Here we have few good countries with native players but sadly their performance is not going as we need just because of these countries which have adopted players, and they are enjoying good funds as well participation in Olympics was a positive way to bring positive changes, but now this is also not going to work because we have no enough paper work from ICC for joining this IOC.

In essence, if you are able to get a good amount of money, or if you have good relations with certain individuals in the ICC, you will not have any problems at all. I believe that this is what has been happening in the ICC at the moment, and I believe that is what has been occurring. The teams that are made up of foreign players are being given a really good amount of money in order to make their teams successful. It is also evident that they are trying to include the USA in the cricketing world, despite the fact that everybody knows that the USA is not a very interested country in cricket.

[Sithara007]

In essence, if you are able to get a good amount of money, or if you have good relations with certain individuals in the ICC, you will not have any problems at all. I believe that this is what has been happening in the ICC at the moment, and I believe that is what has been occurring. The teams that are made up of foreign players are being given a really good amount of money in order to make their teams successful. It is also evident that they are trying to include the USA in the cricketing world, despite the fact that everybody knows that the USA is not a very interested country in cricket.

It is not just the United States. And in case of US, I am a bit more lenient, because their squad do have 3-4 players with American citizenship. That is not the case with teams like Oman, United Arab Emirates and Hong Kong. The entire squad is made of foreigners, which defeats the very purpose of forming a "national" team. How can you call a team that comprises 100% of citizens from Pakistan and India as the UAE team? Just because some of these players reside or work in the UAE temporarily, a UAE national team can't be formed from them. 

[JSRAW]

"Mancut out"
Why do Indian players give birth to the same controversies over and over again? 

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But I think the beauty of cricket is lost through such outs.  There are many rules for getting out in cricket, why did they not choose this method of mancut out again and again instead of getting out according to that rule. Bowlers who choose to make such dismissals should be ashamed of themselves.

What are your thoughts on this out?

Small correction, It's "Mankad" not "Mancut out" and now according to ICC rules it's renamed as normal "Run out".

There is no such thing "Beauty of cricket" when non-striking stealing the singles, it's outright cheating, which batters are doing for so long and no one bats the eye. Bowlers get penalized with the free hit and no-balls when they step over the line, even if its mm. We don't see the umpire warning bowlers and saying "Hey you are stepping the line, don't do it otherwise I'll give the no-ball". Nope it never happens, except the siren goes on n on for the next 3 seconds, followed by free-hit signal from the umpires.

I hope more bowlers start doing it regularly and call out the batters more openly, just run them out without any warning. If batters are ready to steal the yards then they should also get ready to face the consequences so no sympathy for cheaters here.

[Litzki1990]

I hope more bowlers start doing it regularly and call out the batters more openly, just run them out without any warning. If batters are ready to steal the yards then they should also get ready to face the consequences so no sympathy for cheaters here.

Many batsmen have already become wary of such a dismissal. And they now don't get out of bounds before the ball is bowled. If such dismissals were not made then maybe the batsmen would have done such things regularly. But such outs are very rare. Tellers generally do not favor this type of out. But when the match is in many contests, many choose such out opportunities.

But such outs are unexpected for every batsman and player.  Especially when a world-class bowler does such things, many criticize them and say that if a world-class bowler like him resorted to such outs, what lessons will those who follow him learn from him? But every batsman should be careful about this. No matter how much pressure the team is under

[Sithara007]

Many batsmen have already become wary of such a dismissal. And they now don't get out of bounds before the ball is bowled. If such dismissals were not made then maybe the batsmen would have done such things regularly. But such outs are very rare. Tellers generally do not favor this type of out. But when the match is in many contests, many choose such out opportunities.

But such outs are unexpected for every batsman and player.  Especially when a world-class bowler does such things, many criticize them and say that if a world-class bowler like him resorted to such outs, what lessons will those who follow him learn from him? But every batsman should be careful about this. No matter how much pressure the team is under

Obviously there are a small number of batsmen who take advantage of this. And I agree that bowlers and batsmen should be treated equally. With free-hit and all, cricket has become a game of the batsmen with bowlers toiling very hard without much say in the proceedings. It is the duty of the batsmen to get back to the crease while the ball is being delivered. The bowler is not duty bound to give repeated warnings to the batsmen who doesn't follow this protocol. But the ICC should come up with clear rules regarding this, rather than putting everything in the grey zone.

[darewaller]

Many batsmen have already become wary of such a dismissal. And they now don't get out of bounds before the ball is bowled. If such dismissals were not made then maybe the batsmen would have done such things regularly. But such outs are very rare. Tellers generally do not favor this type of out. But when the match is in many contests, many choose such out opportunities.

But such outs are unexpected for every batsman and player.  Especially when a world-class bowler does such things, many criticize them and say that if a world-class bowler like him resorted to such outs, what lessons will those who follow him learn from him? But every batsman should be careful about this. No matter how much pressure the team is under

If batsmen are wary of this surely now they will care about this and not try to leave crease before ball delivered because with ICC is already given final verdict about this it's treated as normally run-out, so we don't need to talk more about this all because as already mentioned in above posts we are not giving any favor to bowlers all rules and things are in batsmen favor so if they have this advantage surely it's bowlers' right.

Even we have too much criticism about this all in past and right now but still we don't need more debate what is good or who things need to be settled with final verdict was from ICC which is now already settled with now it's all batsmen duty to have their mind settled about this all and care about this all in future as well.

[BobK71]

Many batsmen have already become wary of such a dismissal. And they now don't get out of bounds before the ball is bowled. If such dismissals were not made then maybe the batsmen would have done such things regularly. But such outs are very rare. Tellers generally do not favor this type of out. But when the match is in many contests, many choose such out opportunities.

But such outs are unexpected for every batsman and player.  Especially when a world-class bowler does such things, many criticize them and say that if a world-class bowler like him resorted to such outs, what lessons will those who follow him learn from him? But every batsman should be careful about this. No matter how much pressure the team is under

Obviously there are a small number of batsmen who take advantage of this. And I agree that bowlers and batsmen should be treated equally. With free-hit and all, cricket has become a game of the batsmen with bowlers toiling very hard without much say in the proceedings. It is the duty of the batsmen to get back to the crease while the ball is being delivered. The bowler is not duty bound to give repeated warnings to the batsmen who doesn't follow this protocol. But the ICC should come up with clear rules regarding this, rather than putting everything in the grey zone.

There is no clear idea of ICC in this regard. I can't remember exactly but I've ever seen such bowling in a final match in under-19 cricket. On such an appeal the umpire dismissed the batsman. Another game found the opposite. There was no dismissal. I haven't got a clear idea about this yet. But I think whatever rule is made should be clearly spread to all and the same rule should be followed everywhere. Otherwise cricket becomes a mess.

[Ayers]

Many batsmen have already become wary of such a dismissal. And they now don't get out of bounds before the ball is bowled. If such dismissals were not made then maybe the batsmen would have done such things regularly. But such outs are very rare. Tellers generally do not favor this type of out. But when the match is in many contests, many choose such out opportunities.
But such outs are unexpected for every batsman and player.  Especially when a world-class bowler does such things, many criticize them and say that if a world-class bowler like him resorted to such outs, what lessons will those who follow him learn from him? But every batsman should be careful about this. No matter how much pressure the team is under

Obviously there are a small number of batsmen who take advantage of this. And I agree that bowlers and batsmen should be treated equally. With free-hit and all, cricket has become a game of the batsmen with bowlers toiling very hard without much say in the proceedings. It is the duty of the batsmen to get back to the crease while the ball is being delivered. The bowler is not duty bound to give repeated warnings to the batsmen who doesn't follow this protocol. But the ICC should come up with clear rules regarding this, rather than putting everything in the grey zone.

Let’s get one thing straight. In cricket, bowlers and Batmen are never going to be treated equally. There is always going to be a favorite for the batting side. And that is very understandable why that should happen. After all, it is also a sport. And any sport has to be entertaining. Otherwise, it is not going to make money. But this role I absolutely agree with this.

Just imagine it is the last ball and two runs are required. Imagine how crucial that one step from the non-striker can be. But of course, any rule should be clear-cut. The problem is cricket has been operating in the gray zone for a long time. Very few things seem to be clear-cut, black and white.

[posi]

It is not just the United States. And in case of US, I am a bit more lenient, because their squad do have 3-4 players with American citizenship. That is not the case with teams like Oman, United Arab Emirates and Hong Kong. The entire squad is made of foreigners, which defeats the very purpose of forming a "national" team. How can you call a team that comprises 100% of citizens from Pakistan and India as the UAE team? Just because some of these players reside or work in the UAE temporarily, a UAE national team can't be formed from them. 

I absolutely agree with you, that the situation in the United States is better compared to UAE, Oman, Hong Kong, etc in cricket. But it is still not OK with having only 3–4 native players on the national team.

But I see what you are trying to say, everything is not going to be fixed suddenly. Maybe if the other teams look up to the USA team and maybe if the ICC makes a rule that there have to be at least five native players in a national team, it is going to be better. At least far better compared to what is going on right now.

[eaLiTy]

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But I think the beauty of cricket is lost through such outs.  There are many rules for getting out in cricket, why did they not choose this method of mankad out again and again instead of getting out according to that rule. Bowlers who choose to make such dismissals should be ashamed of themselves.

Lets clarify this first, Mankading is legal according to the Cricketing rules, you need to consider this in the context of the game. It was considered as unprofessional when bowlers had the upper hand and the batsman were playing without any safety precaution (no helmet, no body protection) and with a leg stump line aiming at the head and now a days all the rules favor batsman, there is a limit to bouncers, fielders placed and then the batsman wants to take advantage by starting to run from the non striker end even before the ball is bowled, it is not a fair practice and there is nothing wrong in picking the wicket through Mankading simply because all the rules favor batsman in modern day Cricket.

The situation in the last match is that the bowler failed to take the bail before leaving the bowling crease and it cannot be considered a run out because it is a dead ball if the ball is not released and the bowler already left the bowling crease.

[Webetcoins]

It is not just the United States. And in case of US, I am a bit more lenient, because their squad do have 3-4 players with American citizenship. That is not the case with teams like Oman, United Arab Emirates and Hong Kong. The entire squad is made of foreigners, which defeats the very purpose of forming a "national" team. How can you call a team that comprises 100% of citizens from Pakistan and India as the UAE team? Just because some of these players reside or work in the UAE temporarily, a UAE national team can't be formed from them. 

I absolutely agree with you, that the situation in the United States is better compared to UAE, Oman, Hong Kong, etc in cricket. But it is still not OK with having only 3–4 native players on the national team.

But I see what you are trying to say, everything is not going to be fixed suddenly. Maybe if the other teams look up to the USA team and maybe if the ICC makes a rule that there have to be at least five native players in a national team, it is going to be better. At least far better compared to what is going on right now.

Most chances we will not have any solid policy from ICC in near future because right now ICC have good incentives from the Gulf region, so they are also paying back something which is giving them some advantage in case of the USA we can expect things could be better in near future, but Gulf countries will never follow these rules, and they will go with players which are mostly adopted and if you want to fair policy then surely we need to move ICC headquarter from DUBAI to any other place which will be acceptable for all and also give some benefits to them as well as they have in DUBAI.

With mostly European and other countries are having better things which can bring changes in any game with their strong domestic system but here right now we have nothing positive which will give any positive sign so just wait and watch this all for few more years.

[JSRAW]

@Sithara007 One piece of news regarding the ICC revenue model might get you charged up.

Hearing some unofficial reports that BCCI could get 37% of the share from the final revenue pot ($3.5 Billion), right now it's 18-22% depending on taxes.

[Hirose UK]

I absolutely agree with you, that the situation in the United States is better compared to UAE, Oman, Hong Kong, etc in cricket. But it is still not OK with having only 3–4 native players on the national team.

It's normal, friends, if the national team of a country only has a few original players from their country because the national team also wants their team to be able to win in every game and if the original players can't give a good game then team management can take foreign players to strengthen the national team they.

The use of outside players like this does not only occur in the national team but also local teams will definitely use the services of outside players to strengthen the team so they can play well and win every game.

[posi]

I absolutely agree with you, that the situation in the United States is better compared to UAE, Oman, Hong Kong, etc in cricket. But it is still not OK with having only 3–4 native players on the national team.
But I see what you are trying to say, everything is not going to be fixed suddenly. Maybe if the other teams look up to the USA team and maybe if the ICC makes a rule that there have to be at least five native players in a national team, it is going to be better. At least far better compared to what is going on right now.

Most chances we will not have any solid policy from ICC in near future because right now ICC have good incentives from the Gulf region, so they are also paying back something which is giving them some advantage in case of the USA we can expect things could be better in near future, but Gulf countries will never follow these rules, and they will go with players which are mostly adopted and if you want to fair policy then surely we need to move ICC headquarter from DUBAI to any other place which will be acceptable for all and also give some benefits to them as well as they have in DUBAI.
With mostly European and other countries are having better things which can bring changes in any game with their strong domestic system but here right now we have nothing positive which will give any positive sign so just wait and watch this all for few more years.

If this same thing happens for a few more years, I think cricket might actually be dead by then. Well, at least international cricket is going to be dead. Cricket will only be alive through franchise cricket and T20 leagues if certain necessary steps are not taken about the number of foreign players, in the national team.

It's normal, friends, if the national team of a country only has a few original players from their country because the national team also wants their team to be able to win in every game and if the original players can't give a good game then team management can take foreign players to strengthen the national team they.

The use of outside players like this does not only occur in the national team but also local teams will definitely use the services of outside players to strengthen the team so they can play well and win every game.

My idea is simple. If you don’t have good enough players on the national team, you are not searching hard enough for talent in your country. And if you think playing foreign players in the team is going to bring you glory, you are absolutely wrong. Trust me, you cannot achieve greatness by having players who are not good enough to perform in the team of their own country.