Cricket match prediction discussions

[Sithara007]

There is no doubt we are going to have good changes in this game just because of Olympics and Asian games which have their own system and all countries need to follow this, but it's starting from Oman it's perfect news for the cricketing fans because if they will jump in this game with their native players then surely we will have good improvement in quality and performance of many countries, and they will also give this a try which is going to bring positive results for this game.

Currently, we have African region which is going mostly with their native players and now this change will surely bring change into this region as well and ASEAN is also having good chance which will bring more countries and strong control for the Asian region countries to adopt and having good revenue from this game as well.

African nations have made rapid progress in both men's and women's game over the years and I agree with your statement that almost all of the teams in this region are dominated by native players. In Asia, it is mixed. There are teams like UAE and Oman, which are comprised primarily of expat players, but at the same time teams like Malaysia and Nepal are 100% native. Another problematic area is Europe, where most of the teams are 100% expat. Same can be said about the North/South American teams as well. And in Oceania, it is almost all native.

[UmerIdrees]

Yesterday was the draft of PSL 9, and I think that the strongest team in this PSL is Islamad United because the main reason is that there are three brothers from Shah means Naseem Shah, Hunain Shah, and Ubaid Shah picked from Islamad United, they are all brothers and they are all play for the same team in this PSL.

And if we look at Naseem Shah's brother's performances so Hunain Shah played very well in National Cup, he equally bowling like Naseem Shah, and where the talk of Ubaid Shah so we have seen his performance in U19 Asia Cup.

[DanWalker]

There is no doubt we are going to have good changes in this game just because of Olympics and Asian games which have their own system and all countries need to follow this, but it's starting from Oman it's perfect news for the cricketing fans because if they will jump in this game with their native players then surely we will have good improvement in quality and performance of many countries, and they will also give this a try which is going to bring positive results for this game.

Currently, we have African region which is going mostly with their native players and now this change will surely bring change into this region as well and ASEAN is also having good chance which will bring more countries and strong control for the Asian region countries to adopt and having good revenue from this game as well.

African nations have made rapid progress in both men's and women's game over the years and I agree with your statement that almost all of the teams in this region are dominated by native players. In Asia, it is mixed. There are teams like UAE and Oman, which are comprised primarily of expat players, but at the same time teams like Malaysia and Nepal are 100% native. Another problematic area is Europe, where most of the teams are 100% expat. Same can be said about the North/South American teams as well. And in Oceania, it is almost all native.

For me it is simple. The countries which actually have a lot of money and they want to really get in the business quickly, are making the teams with foreign players so that they can make cricket a business model in their country. Not so much as they want to improve in the game. At the same time the countries which are relatively poor, are not being able to do that. And at the same time, they are also not getting too much help from the ICC. Let's be honest, the money that they get from the ICC is definitely not good enough. So it is hard for them to actually find good talent and nurture them properly.

[Webetcoins]

For me it is simple. The countries which actually have a lot of money and they want to really get in the business quickly, are making the teams with foreign players so that they can make cricket a business model in their country. Not so much as they want to improve in the game. At the same time the countries which are relatively poor, are not being able to do that. And at the same time, they are also not getting too much help from the ICC. Let's be honest, the money that they get from the ICC is definitely not good enough. So it is hard for them to actually find good talent and nurture them properly.

Maybe you are right in your view about this all but now this can't go for long time because we have first dropped of change through Oman and most chances as things will be gone in positive way we will have changes in teams and mostly will try to go with their native players because this is the best way and ICC surely will also act as we have rules in IOC for the games, so even money can't bring anything positive for the countries which are having adopted players.

Africa region is surely doing impressive work and now few other Asian countries are also bringing things like these which will give them better results and more money because in near future we will have more money with viewership is going to increase, but again we need strong act from the ICC which can bring good changes and more money just keep going with their positive mind for the change.

[Compromise me]

For me it is simple. The countries which actually have a lot of money and they want to really get in the business quickly, are making the teams with foreign players so that they can make cricket a business model in their country. Not so much as they want to improve in the game. At the same time the countries which are relatively poor, are not being able to do that. And at the same time, they are also not getting too much help from the ICC. Let's be honest, the money that they get from the ICC is definitely not good enough. So it is hard for them to actually find good talent and nurture them properly.

In my opinion, for playing cricket talent matters a lot. It doesn't depend the country is poor or rich. But one thing matters , Government supports cricket or not. If government will provide support to players them youngsters will arise. And they will be motivate and they will do hard work day and night. And one good player can make the base of country and that is good path to remains in to World of Cricket. Indian public is very passionate about cricket,that is why they are top in cricket. Population and money does not depend on quality players.

[JSRAW]

@Sithara007 not surprised here that they don’t want to distribute more ICC money and sad thing is this information is in public domain yet ICC will chose to do nothing about it. Also I wonder will other countries send their star player’s or they’ll prepare a B squad of player’s and send them because in a already jam packed schedule I can’t see big player’s participation in Olympics.

It is a big scam that is going on. Take Czech Republic for example. There is a small Indian-Pakistani community that is mostly comprised of medical students and other temporary visitors. They have formed 5-6 cricket clubs that play against each other on weekends. A lot often, these matches exist only on paper. This is the Czech Republic national league. The cricket board, as well as the national team players all come from this community and there is not a single citizen who is part of this system. ICC provides around $100,000 per year in funds and the board divides this amount between the 100-120 club players, without spending any of that in development. And this is not an isolated case. In many of the European countries, this scam is going on.

Overall, i agree with your sentiments but when you are distributing $100k among 100-ish players per year then it hardly sounds like a big scam to me.

There are surely lots of matches that exist only on paper but still, figures are not making a good case for any sort of scam here, even if all these players play only 5-10 matches per year, given they are getting paid 100-200 bucks for every match. I am afraid we might need more data on it.

[fullhdpixel]

@Sithara007 not surprised here that they don’t want to distribute more ICC money and sad thing is this information is in public domain yet ICC will chose to do nothing about it. Also I wonder will other countries send their star player’s or they’ll prepare a B squad of player’s and send them because in a already jam packed schedule I can’t see big player’s participation in Olympics.

It is a big scam that is going on. Take Czech Republic for example. There is a small Indian-Pakistani community that is mostly comprised of medical students and other temporary visitors. They have formed 5-6 cricket clubs that play against each other on weekends. A lot often, these matches exist only on paper. This is the Czech Republic national league. The cricket board, as well as the national team players all come from this community and there is not a single citizen who is part of this system. ICC provides around $100,000 per year in funds and the board divides this amount between the 100-120 club players, without spending any of that in development. And this is not an isolated case. In many of the European countries, this scam is going on.

When we have Indian and Pakistani, and we have no scam mostly I feel joke, so things like these can go for some time and as we will have positive development and better check from ICC and domestic authorities we can expect changes as well because Czech Republic is small country which is famous for the soccer, ice hockey and tennis with not good intention for the cricket but good thing happening these guys are doing positive for the game even on papers.

Here we need ICC to have their own system as well like FIFA is doing, and their experts are going in every country where they are checking all stuff and then giving them funds which is surely helpful for the game and also increasing the game quality and performance of the many countries as well.

[JSRAW]

Not sure how it would be successful or not or pan out as they are hoping but you have to give credit to the BCCI for trying to find new ways to print money. At least In India, they are trying to tap and reach out to any potential market.

Useless bilateral will die soon (Barring a few series), these guys know it and already started gearing up.


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[Sithara007]

Overall, i agree with your sentiments but when you are distributing $100k among 100-ish players per year then it hardly sounds like a big scam to me.

There are surely lots of matches that exist only on paper but still, figures are not making a good case for any sort of scam here, even if all these players play only 5-10 matches per year, given they are getting paid 100-200 bucks for every match. I am afraid we might need more data on it.

This information was actually posted by someone in Twitter. One of the players got into an argument with others over payment and he went to social media with all the details (similar to what Jai Anant Dehadrai did to Mahua Moitra after the latter dumped him). I agree that $100 per match is not that big. But for medical students, it is easy beer money. And these guys are originally from the sub-continent, and ₹8,330 for a match that exists only on paper is actually significant amount here.

[DanWalker]

For me it is simple. The countries which actually have a lot of money and they want to really get in the business quickly, are making the teams with foreign players so that they can make cricket a business model in their country. Not so much as they want to improve in the game. At the same time the countries which are relatively poor, are not being able to do that. And at the same time, they are also not getting too much help from the ICC. Let's be honest, the money that they get from the ICC is definitely not good enough. So it is hard for them to actually find good talent and nurture them properly.

Maybe you are right in your view about this all but now this can't go for long time because we have first dropped of change through Oman and most chances as things will be gone in positive way we will have changes in teams and mostly will try to go with their native players because this is the best way and ICC surely will also act as we have rules in IOC for the games, so even money can't bring anything positive for the countries which are having adopted players.

Africa region is surely doing impressive work and now few other Asian countries are also bringing things like these which will give them better results and more money because in near future we will have more money with viewership is going to increase, but again we need strong act from the ICC which can bring good changes and more money just keep going with their positive mind for the change.

For ICC to actually take strong steps about this, they will definitely want to have the approval of the Indian Cricket Board. First I thought the Indian Cricket Board should not oppose this idea. But then I realized India is currently a friend of England. And England does sometimes bring players from other countries. So probably India might actually oppose this idea.

In my opinion, for playing cricket talent matters a lot. It doesn't depend the country is poor or rich. But one thing matters , Government supports cricket or not. If government will provide support to players them youngsters will arise. And they will be motivate and they will do hard work day and night. And one good player can make the base of country and that is good path to remains in to World of Cricket. Indian public is very passionate about cricket,that is why they are top in cricket. Population and money does not depend on quality players.

If a country is poor, they are going to have to worry about how to feed their people. They will have to think about the infrastructure first instead of playing cricket. They will have much more to worry about. And that will eventually make them not be very interested in cricket. And even if they start to think about cricket, they are not going to do very good at it and they will eventually end up losing money from it. So I think if a country is poor it is definitely going to have an effect.

[JSRAW]

Overall, i agree with your sentiments but when you are distributing $100k among 100-ish players per year then it hardly sounds like a big scam to me.

There are surely lots of matches that exist only on paper but still, figures are not making a good case for any sort of scam here, even if all these players play only 5-10 matches per year, given they are getting paid 100-200 bucks for every match. I am afraid we might need more data on it.

This information was actually posted by someone in Twitter. One of the players got into an argument with others over payment and he went to social media with all the details (similar to what Jai Anant Dehadrai did to Mahua Moitra after the latter dumped him). I agree that $100 per match is not that big. But for medical students, it is easy beer money. And these guys are originally from the sub-continent, and ₹8,330 for a match that exists only on paper is actually significant amount here.

Lol love the Anant-Moitra example but anyway.

My emphasis wasn't on whether 100 bucks are sufficient amount for players or not. I was saying that even if players are set to play a minimum of 10 actual matches every year and the remaining match exists only on paper, in this case, accusations don't hold much weight because numbers are not adding up.

[synchronym]

For me it is simple. The countries which actually have a lot of money and they want to really get in the business quickly, are making the teams with foreign players so that they can make cricket a business model in their country. Not so much as they want to improve in the game. At the same time the countries which are relatively poor, are not being able to do that. And at the same time, they are also not getting too much help from the ICC. Let's be honest, the money that they get from the ICC is definitely not good enough. So it is hard for them to actually find good talent and nurture them properly.

Maybe you are right in your view about this all but now this can't go for long time because we have first dropped of change through Oman and most chances as things will be gone in positive way we will have changes in teams and mostly will try to go with their native players because this is the best way and ICC surely will also act as we have rules in IOC for the games, so even money can't bring anything positive for the countries which are having adopted players.

Africa region is surely doing impressive work and now few other Asian countries are also bringing things like these which will give them better results and more money because in near future we will have more money with viewership is going to increase, but again we need strong act from the ICC which can bring good changes and more money just keep going with their positive mind for the change.

For ICC to actually take strong steps about this, they will definitely want to have the approval of the Indian Cricket Board. First I thought the Indian Cricket Board should not oppose this idea. But then I realized India is currently a friend of England. And England does sometimes bring players from other countries. So probably India might actually oppose this idea.

In my opinion, for playing cricket talent matters a lot. It doesn't depend the country is poor or rich. But one thing matters , Government supports cricket or not. If government will provide support to players them youngsters will arise. And they will be motivate and they will do hard work day and night. And one good player can make the base of country and that is good path to remains in to World of Cricket. Indian public is very passionate about cricket,that is why they are top in cricket. Population and money does not depend on quality players.

If a country is poor, they are going to have to worry about how to feed their people. They will have to think about the infrastructure first instead of playing cricket. They will have much more to worry about. And that will eventually make them not be very interested in cricket. And even if they start to think about cricket, they are not going to do very good at it and they will eventually end up losing money from it. So I think if a country is poor it is definitely going to have an effect.

op I agree with you. That's because if a country is poor then first of all the government of that country will think about how its people are well. First, the government of the country where there is poverty will try to provide good employment to its people. Then the government should first look at various aspects of education system and medical field. Then comes the cricket, they will consider the cricket of the poor country a little later.

[Smack That Ace]

Overall, i agree with your sentiments but when you are distributing $100k among 100-ish players per year then it hardly sounds like a big scam to me.

There are surely lots of matches that exist only on paper but still, figures are not making a good case for any sort of scam here, even if all these players play only 5-10 matches per year, given they are getting paid 100-200 bucks for every match. I am afraid we might need more data on it.

This information was actually posted by someone in Twitter. One of the players got into an argument with others over payment and he went to social media with all the details (similar to what Jai Anant Dehadrai did to Mahua Moitra after the latter dumped him). I agree that $100 per match is not that big. But for medical students, it is easy beer money. And these guys are originally from the sub-continent, and ₹8,330 for a match that exists only on paper is actually significant amount here.

Lol love the Anant-Moitra example but anyway.

My emphasis wasn't on whether 100 bucks are sufficient amount for players or not. I was saying that even if players are set to play a minimum of 10 actual matches every year and the remaining match exists only on paper, in this case, accusations don't hold much weight because numbers are not adding up.

From the call center to the cricket pitch, Indian scammers are everywhere 

Jokes apart I think if necessary steps were taken by the ICC, it wouldn't have happened in the first place. If ICC actually said that a player has to be the citizen of a country to actually play for them, this wouldn't have happened. People might say that not much money is being distributed here. So this is definitely not a big scam. But if it is a scam, it is a scam. Whether it is a big scam or a small scam is another story.

Regards

Duke

[JSRAW]

From the call center to the cricket pitch, Indian scammers are everywhere  

Jokes apart I think if necessary steps were taken by the ICC, it wouldn't have happened in the first place. If ICC actually said that a player has to be the citizen of a country to actually play for them, this wouldn't have happened. People might say that not much money is being distributed here. So this is definitely not a big scam. But if it is a scam, it is a scam. Whether it is a big scam or a small scam is another story.

Regards

Duke

Indians can't compete with Pakbros in creating esteemed terrorists so poor guys had to settle with at least something.  

Agreed, big or not, a scam is a scam but at the same time, needs some smoking gun if no concrete evidence is available. Hearsay is good for discussion but can't rely on it much.

[noormcs5]

Right now almost 90% of the whole ICC audience is Indian. So I do not think anyone is going to dare fight against India for anything

India keeps winning matches as they are the hub of cricket. Yesterday's match was lost by South Africa because of their batting, I know the bowlers of South Africa also played very poorly because they accepted the loss, if the batsmen did good batting then the bowlers also tried to take wickets.

Reeza Hendricks, Hendrik Erasmus van der Dussen, and Wiaan Mulder, these are all the players who made zero runs, and the other batsmen are equally played like them but at least they made lowest to lowest 3 or 4 and highest to highest 6, 7, or 12. So, this is not a good score.

[Sithara007]

Not sure how it would be successful or not or pan out as they are hoping but you have to give credit to the BCCI for trying to find new ways to print money. At least In India, they are trying to tap and reach out to any potential market.

Useless bilateral will die soon (Barring a few series), these guys know it and already started gearing up.
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Already we have 3 months out of 12 blocked for the IPL. Then we have state level leagues such as the Tamil Nadu Premier League (TNPL) and the Karnataka Premier League (KPL). I don't understand the requirement for this second tier league. Ideally BCCI should organize a second division for each of the IPL franchises. For example, TNPL should actually be organized by the CSK instead of the Tamil Nadu Cricket Association. Similarly, Punjab Kings should organize a second division league for regions of Punjab, Haryana, JK and HP. This proposed 10 over league is just a carbon copy of IPL and it will be repetitive.

[JSRAW]

Not sure how it would be successful or not or pan out as they are hoping but you have to give credit to the BCCI for trying to find new ways to print money. At least In India, they are trying to tap and reach out to any potential market.

Useless bilateral will die soon (Barring a few series), these guys know it and already started gearing up.
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Already we have 3 months out of 12 blocked for the IPL. Then we have state level leagues such as the Tamil Nadu Premier League (TNPL) and the Karnataka Premier League (KPL). I don't understand the requirement for this second tier league. Ideally BCCI should organize a second division for each of the IPL franchises. For example, TNPL should actually be organized by the CSK instead of the Tamil Nadu Cricket Association. Similarly, Punjab Kings should organize a second division league for regions of Punjab, Haryana, JK and HP. This proposed 10 over league is just a carbon copy of IPL and it will be repetitive.

Maybe under 19-21 type of tournament for young talent then IPL will feed onto it. In the long run, it would help them immensely in case they are adding more teams to IPL.

No issue with state leagues, states can carry on as it's localized but I wonder what if, this type of model is introduced in existing domestic setups like Ranji, Mushtaq Ali Trophy and Vijay Harare.

[UmerIdrees]

Finally, the main threat is clear which is whether Pakistan will host the 2025 Champions trophy or not, because as you all know all everything is clear but when the tournament came so Indian team said that they would not come to Pakistan to play and then tournament moved to another country but this is a problem with only Indian team.

The other team come to Pakistan but India do not come, but then ICC say that Pakistan is safe country, all the country will come in Pakistan to play the cricket, and PCB chairman Zaka Ashraf signed to ICC person that we will hosts, and if India not come so Indian team should need to give two points to every team and if they do this so they have a very low chances to win.

[wiss19]

Finally, the main threat is clear which is whether Pakistan will host the 2025 Champions trophy or not, because as you all know all everything is clear but when the tournament came so Indian team said that they would not come to Pakistan to play and then tournament moved to another country but this is a problem with only Indian team.

The other team come to Pakistan but India do not come, but then ICC say that Pakistan is safe country, all the country will come in Pakistan to play the cricket, and PCB chairman Zaka Ashraf signed to ICC person that we will hosts, and if India not come so Indian team should need to give two points to every team and if they do this so they have a very low chances to win.

I also read about this, but I want to say this is too early talking about this all because we have nearly 14 months and many ups and downs can happen during this time and how this works in ICC event without India is also big problem because there is no doubt currently ICC having nearly 75% of their income from the India and if they will not participate then how things will work it's also big question which needs to be solved before this event.

With this all, ICC already signed this but in critical situations they will be never stand with Pakistan because in ICC all big countries favour India due to their own financial problems, so I also want Pakistan host this event but right now talking about this all and giving arguments are not right just wait and watch how things will be gone in near future with currently main target is ICC T20 World Cup which is going to play in the USA/West Indies and with this can Pakistan host PSL2024 because we have another announcement they are going to have General Elections in February 2024 this is also conflicting.

[synchronym]

Finally, the main threat is clear which is whether Pakistan will host the 2025 Champions trophy or not, because as you all know all everything is clear but when the tournament came so Indian team said that they would not come to Pakistan to play and then tournament moved to another country but this is a problem with only Indian team.

The other team come to Pakistan but India do not come, but then ICC say that Pakistan is safe country, all the country will come in Pakistan to play the cricket, and PCB chairman Zaka Ashraf signed to ICC person that we will hosts, and if India not come so Indian team should need to give two points to every team and if they do this so they have a very low chances to win.

I also read about this, but I want to say this is too early talking about this all because we have nearly 14 months and many ups and downs can happen during this time and how this works in ICC event without India is also big problem because there is no doubt currently ICC having nearly 75% of their income from the India and if they will not participate then how things will work it's also big question which needs to be solved before this event.

With this all, ICC already signed this but in critical situations they will be never stand with Pakistan because in ICC all big countries favour India due to their own financial problems, so I also want Pakistan host this event but right now talking about this all and giving arguments are not right just wait and watch how things will be gone in near future with currently main target is ICC T20 World Cup which is going to play in the USA/West Indies and with this can Pakistan host PSL2024 because we have another announcement they are going to have General Elections in February 2024 this is also conflicting.

This issue has arisen with Pakistan hosting the 2025 Championship Trophy as India will not be playing the Pakistan Championship Trophy.  That's because they won't go to play Pakistan due to their political opposition with Pakistan and India.  All desi Pakistanis in the world went to play India will not go. Of course India will try to find an alternative for that because we have seen that India and Pakistan had a few matches in the Asia Cup but they didn't play there. So it is doubted by all that India will not participate to play Champions Trophy 2025 in Pakistan. Maybe India will shift their matches to some other venue they are claiming to play their matches in UAE. We now have to wait for some more time to see if India will play Pakistan in the 2025 Championship Toffee.